NOTE FROM STEPHEN FOX: I wanted to snag direct responses off my email as they came in without editing them or even inserting or correcting pronounciation etc., in a kind of real time Cinema Verite transcription of the responses just before the debate, during, and after: I hope you enjoy them and maybe there will be much more. Tomorrow's newspapers article and tonight's TV news are being written right now, but this is what the people supporting Obama had to say,
starting with this comment just before the debate started:LMANIV from African Americans for Obama: I will be happy when this is done. As good as she is doing im not sure if its changing people. Biden is the best person to counter her mona writes: Does she have cheat sheets?
from UCLA BRUINS FOR OBAMA: Shouldn't the next VP be able to pronounce the word "nuclear" rather than "nukular' in ones aspiring to the second highest office of the land. Sarah Palin is a joke and as a woman she is a poppet of the highest order. I have never heard a VP or Presidential nominee use the words "darn" or "heck" in a debate. She is an embarrassment to the nation. Please vote Obama/Biden. Peace, Sandra Booker
from African Americans for Barack Obama: Why does she sound like a damn cartoon character? -April
from Secular Humanist:
It appears that Moose Creek Barbie has been well coached.She is giving some very well rehearsed lectures to the American people not her opponent.
She sounds like she's answering questions in a beauty pageant..all smiling and breathy and being so high schoolish! She still can't give a good answer, though!sherry another from
April:ARE YOU KIDDING! He is killing her!!! If you're watching CNN then you see the women stats for Palin are LOW!! I mean, Biden is on fire! Just schoolin' her!
Marion, private email: Sarah Palin is standing her ground -- GOOD FOR HER! Still showing her "greenness" but GOOD FOR HER so many people were talking about her falling on her face and she's not doing it!!! GOOD FOR HER!!!!!!! And Joe Biden is bringing out points about this election FINALLY in terms that the radical religious fundamental christian right in this nation NEED TO HEAR! And then Palin (Bless her!) is confirming exactly the same arguments that many "small" people (such as myself) have been carrying on about for years and years and years: 1) Civil Rights for same sex couples not the same as defining (or re-defining) marriage (Really liked Joe Biden's distinction between civil law and personal faith)
2) The TWO STATE SOLUTION!!!!!!! (And awesome synopsis from Biden about how Bush policies have worsened the middle east situation and Israel's own) and then Palin affirmed that!!!!!! Two of the very biggest flash points between that lunatic right fringe and everyone else! And some of the "sound bites" that Joe Biden is using tonight is bringing me back to last year October/November/December when I was trying to pull together the news to match the candidates for this campaign -- and you know what? I'm thinking now that back then last year, I was getting Biden confused with McCain LOL!!!! And Joe Biden nails the issue about Dick Cheney and the office of the Vice President.... And Sarah, darling, I'm proud of you, even though I still disagree with you on very fundamental things. I hope you keep up on the same track as I'm seeing tonight. This is not your election, but you can take this "lemon" of an opportunity that McCain has disengenuously offered you, and turn it into nice lemonade for all of the USA. I really do hope that is where this point in your career takes you if that is where you want to go.Watching the rest...This one was even better than the debate between Obama and McCain! GOBAMA!!! -Marion
Bonnie Vaughn of San Francisco for Obama: She's simply a good crammer; a quick study. She's had some hardcore study sessions this week, don't forget; and it's pretty obvious she has notes. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Barbara Beaulaurier wrote:
Ahhhh! How many times will she use the word ALSO! It's hurting by brain!I was hoping for a loopier Palin. My cynical paranoid self thinks she threw those Couric interviews on purpose so whatever she did tonight would be seen as hitting the ball out of the park. Oy. From Kahran Hill, African Americans for Barack Obama: Biden is killing her on the facts. I think she will please her base, but I think for people who are really listening to the issues the choice is going to be clear after tonight. Oregonians for Obama:Watching the debate on CNN, and monitoring the Ohio undecided voters reactions, I think we have reached the same conclusion. 1.. Joe Biden is supremely qualified and could step into the presidency and do the job if he has to. 2. I don't want a perky president.Stephen in Portland
Ahhhh! How many times will she use the word ALSO! It's hurting by brain!I was hoping for a loopier Palin. My cynical paranoid self thinks she threw those Couric interviews on purpose so whatever she did tonight would be seen as hitting the ball out of the park. Oy. From Kahran Hill, African Americans for Barack Obama: Biden is killing her on the facts. I think she will please her base, but I think for people who are really listening to the issues the choice is going to be clear after tonight.
Oregonians for Obama:Watching the debate on CNN, and monitoring the Ohio undecided voters reactions, I think we have reached the same conclusion. 1.. Joe Biden is supremely qualified and could step into the presidency and do the job if he has to. 2. I don't want a perky president.Stephen in Portland
from Texas for Obama: Beginning to dislike her big sunshine smile....what is she laughing about.....what is so funny? MI Choni of San Francisco for Obama: But all she talks about is the surge. Scare tactic. She hasn't said anything specific. I feel for her. She must be a nervous wreck Getlanny from Northern Virginia for Obama: am going to crazy every time I have to hear Palin refer to herself and McCain as “Mavericks”. It’s as stupid as someone calling themselves “cool” when in actuality they are not. LMANIV of African Americans for Barackobama: JOE Just killed her. The Maverick is dead on that one. OOOH! Carolyn Carrier of African Americans for Barackobama: I agree! I think it's going to be a landslide except in the deep, deep South! from April again: ME TOO!! It scares the hell outta me! I don't know whether to scratch my watch or wind my butt! Hahaha!---Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Caroll Park-Calloway Subject: [AfricanAmericansforBarackObama] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: debate I want to throw up from all the "gosh" and "wow" crap. We get it she's from a small town. It is rather telling...when at a lost throw in a cute little "gosh ya know"Caroll Park- Calloway"Never trouble another for wh at you can do for yourself"Thomas Jeffersonfrom April:I think those people who are typically charmed by her are starting to be turned off with the help of Tina Fey and The Couric Interviews. They're starting to see through it because she does it too much! And she's smiling about issues that she should be serious about.She has a head full of facts with zero understanding of them. Beauty pageant answers, I'd say.Eric Reminds me of when I was in undergrad on a history test, "I don't know what happened on that day but...." Caroline She studied very well. Nothing is coming from the heart though. Just spitted out McCain platitudes. Mona Her voice is getting old very fast!!! Jolene from Oregonians for Obama Clearly Joe has the grasp and knowledge of the issues and has the passion to fight for all of us. Sara is just plain not equipped to handle much of anything! Khy Griffin of OregoniansIm mad proud of Joe tonight. I really am. LMANIV African Americans for Barack Obama from Marion, private: Even the highly questionable "Laffer Curve" theory shows times when there is a need to raise taxes. Even the "Laffer Curve" theory isn't as ~out there~ as President G W Bush has been these past years, and as Senator John McCain promises to be for another four or more if he's given the chance. I think even the "Laffer Curve" authors and experts would agree that at this time, cutting taxes is going to shove revenue into the dirt. BIG TIME. Oh Did I love this Debate :)!!!!!! Celina of San Francisco for Obama: Yes she must be a nervous wreck ... Joe O'Biden - did anyone hear that? And no Palin, you aren't so different from the flipping on issues in washington. Bridge to Nowhere ring any bells? jacksondeo of african americans for barack obama:She sounds incredibly rehearsed, to the point of sounding mechanical. She's so eager to get out the bit of information that she retained, that she redirects the question to what she feels she knows even when he as nothing to do with what was asked. She just isn't answering many of the questions. Biden is doing great! "I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere." Classic! I agree she continues to study her chest sheets as Joe Biden talks. ------Original Message------ To: African Americans for Barack Obama ReplyTo: AfricanAmericansforBarackObama@groups.barackobama.com Sent: Oct 2, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: [AfricanAmericansforBarackObama] Re: debate Yes she has cheat sheets Joe is the winner. m of oregonians for obamaI think she started out OK but then went to the circular speak pretty quickly. And she just sounds so rehearsed; Joe sounds relaxed, sincere and SMART.And I love how she brought up Bush on her own many times -- obviously she didn't get the memo that that association might not be such a great idea. Kelly of San Francisco for Obama from Roger of Dallas Air America:When she said she wished she could have more opportunities like this to speak directly to the American people without going through the filter of the press...WHY THE HELL DIDN'T HE ASK HER IF SHE WANTED TO DEBATE AGAIN???? Instead he let her go home with the ball!!!!!And again. It's not about who is or was right or wrong about anything. Not in any way that get's swing votes. It's about trust. Every time she makes a charge, it's not enough to show that she's wrong by giving the Obama Biden side. He's got to call attention to the fact that she's INTENTIONALLY wrong, distorting, misrepresenting, taking things out of context. Only once and only briefly did he call attention to the fact that she changed the subject to taxes, when she had no rebuttsl to something implied in his remarks.He deinitely should have parodied that. "It's like the old cheer. When we say health care, they say taxes. When we say regulation they say, taxes. When we say Iraq was a mistake, they say taxes. Look I've showed you who wants to tax who. How long do they think they can keep playing that tax and spend card. the Republican party has engineered the biggest deficit in the history of this county."The short rebuttal to Palin's obfuscation about Gen. McAllen saying the surge wouldn't work in Afganistan was not to say "Yes he did." The effective emotive rebuttal is " You can shape this whatever way you want Governor, but how are you going to get around the fact that he used the word "SURGE" in saying what wouldn't work. Only the McCain Palin ticket could find wiggle room in something like that."I know it's hard. I know it's like getting Wheel of Fortune alot easier when your home than up there. But I'm still disappointed again. I think these guys need one o' them transmitter-receiver thingy's Bush wore under his suit in those debates.ButI "betcha" one thing. This weekend Tina's going to be using the word "blender" (blunder) somewhere, and one other odd pronounciation I wish I could remember right now.--------- Sarah is a fine debater. They both seem to be enjoying it, ratherthan that "pursed lips" look other debates have had. from Laci Election____2008__________from Secular Humanist: Who Won?Re: [SECULARHUMANIST] *? 2 ALL: THE VP DEBATE - WHO WON?* 1st Answer, from Milton:Biden's answers were clear and substantial while Palin spouted talking points.Herb Snyder of Secular Humanist: Sarah was charming, as I expected her to be. She is a real character, and I do like her. However, I still believe that she has no business being in public office. I am glad that she did well, but her total lack of knowledge always shows. I would love to spend an evening talking with Sarah on many subjects. She would be fun and very lively. But I would still vote for Biden. Concerning anything to do with running America, he is very competent.....from Lauren Benjamin of SEcular Humanist: This changes everything, IMO.....everything. Palin is more than holding her own in addition tolooking straight into the camera with her well rehearsedtouting of John McCain's accomplishments. Biden retorts by saying...."I don't think so. No he didn't."The Right will be elated. McCain's numbers will probablygo up. No more chatter about Palin being as "dumbas a box of rocks" (although I still think she is).This just changes everything. I'm feeling very dejected. Lauren -------------------- Starting at 9 p.m. ET, watch the vice presidential debate between Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin live at http://www.washingtonpost.com. Then, visit http://www.washingtonpost.com/debates tomorrow morning to watch the full debate, use an annotated transcript to analyze each exchange, vote on which candidate won each question and join a discussion with other armchair pundits.For more information, visit washingtonpost.com_________________ Citation Dems2008 Palin's head did NOT blow off her shoulders; she did NOT do anything bad enough to get bumped from the ticket. Therefore, we win by keeping this idiot on the McCain ticket. Had she said something really really really stupid -- like hoping that East and West Germany will reunify someday or something like that -- she'd be gone by Friday night. But now she stays. Thank God And if 60% of folks thought she was unqualified going into the debate, surely not many of them suddenly tonight had some epiphany in which s/he said, "Oh, I was wrong; she's qualified." Early polls are saying Biden won the debate: two that I've seen so far. ___________________ Ron Corvus at Election____2008:Palin sounded like canned crapolo. Fresh as nothing. She thought she had it goin' on.......she didn't.And that hair-do! ...........more like a hair-don't!When asked about "X", she answered, "Y."You call her an accountable person? The gal can't even answer a straight question with a straight answer. Palin could NOT differentiate between Bush's policies and McCain's policies; you know why? Because there's virtually no difference between the two butthole, bloodthirsty ignoramuses - Bush & McCain.Boy Palin really took Obama down huh? Not an f'in dent! Not one! Her fifteen minutes was up fourteen minutes into the debate.Palin lied her ass off; regurgitated lies at that!Laci, you must not know debate from a hole in the ground.I bet you shop at Kohl's..............r o n ------------------------------------------------------ Rescue America of Election_____2008 wrote: Palin said tonight the following: 1.) That she wanted to expand powers for the Vice-President; (just what we needed) 2.) That she was NOT going to answer Gwen's questions; 3.) That she was NO LONGER giving interviews, period. Chris Matthews commented on these things Palin said and cast them as ridiculous. This female is patently unqualified and supremely arrogant and decidedly unknowing and ignorant, especially when it comes to the law. She regurgitated pre-packed, pre-tested, campaign-approved double-dribble. If you look up the term, "bimbo" in the dictionary, it says "Sarah Palin; 2008 flash in the pan who petered out quick." Biden and Palin are both AGAINST gay marriage; Biden and Palin are BOTH for drilling for oil; Biden and Palin BOTH want to keep troops in Afghanistan; neither offer universal healthcare; Biden and Palin BOT shamelessly support terrorist nation Israel; -----------------Marion wrote to Susan Privately, but seemed to share this widely: > Rachael Maddow and Pat Buchannan -- BOTH INCREDIBLY WRONG!!! > > HA! -- Joe Biden won the debate HANDS DOWN - More substance, and the > passion that such substance needs, and drilling home again and again > the fundamental points that this election is about! > > and Joe Biden is not even close to boring as Buchannan tried to say. > and Sarah Palin's demeanor was totally better than Maddow tried to > describe. > > PS I didn't like her to begin with, I'm liking her now, I hope she'll > carry on in a way I can continue to respect if not agree with -- just > don't think she's a good choice for Vice President of the USA. from RescueAmerica of Secular Humanist: I think they bonded and a friendship came out of the debate.You have to admit these are two strong willed individuals with clear and decisive expectations and ideas and ideas about what they see as ethical and moral, and they agreed on a lot of items. But then politics reared it's ugly head again.from John of Secular Humanist: Wow, what debate were you watching? The one I saw had Palin everywhere but on point! She showed us exactly what we thought, that she is NOT qualified to be the VP candidate and she was just selected because she was a woman! from RescueAmerica: OMG!!!She rocked!!!!Actually, I think it was an even debate and both were balanced and on point for their conceptions of what our country is.from Citation again: U.S. relations with Israel than do I (and I know almost nothing other than headlines): Is the view of American Jews generally that the Bush Administration has been a disaster for Israel (the assertion that Biden was making tonight). As I say, I don't have a view, so will be interested in the better informed views of others.Palin seemed to be saying that Bush has been just hunky dory re: Israel; Biden was saying Bush has been a disaster toward Israel's interests.Herb Snyder again: I would still enjoy spending an evening talking with her. She is delightfully daffy, and it would be fun. I would also counsel her to stay out of public office........ Sherry of Secular Humanist: I can't stand to watch her. Palin is such an ass. Do people really fall for her fake smiles, her winks, her strange voice..!!Biden is doing great!Palin still can't answer a question directly. I'll give it a few more minutes.sherryMarion, Privately: Sarah Palin presented a wonderful model of how a lady conducts herself in this world beyond the glass ceiling, and Joe Biden presented a wonderful model of how a ~~TRUE~~ gentleman treats a lady with whom he's having a debate, in the land beyond the glass ceiling. ------------------------------------------Ron again from Election____2008: Let's get this real, real straight - right here and now: Anyone supporting Sarah Palin is a damn fool and downright unAmerican! Well why would that be so? BECAUSE, for one thing, Palin chided Biden and anti-Bush groups by saying that anyone knocking Bush was just lving in the past and not looking forward. This bitch snapped this fluff non-chalantly, as if tossing a Handi-wipe in the trashcan. Has this unit ever heard of accountability? Has she no sense whatsoever of accountability? Apparently not....she just wants to "move-on."What in the WORLD would the late George Carlin say about Sarah Palin? Just the thought is hilarious..r o n ____________________________________________________________________from Greg Moderator, Secular Humanist: Hi Lauren and All! She certainly played through as Sarah the cartoon. But I don't think she did McCain or the ticket any favors.Just my opinion. What's everybody's?Greg_________________________________________from Nancy Cunningham of Dallas Air America on why Didn't Biden Accept Her Challenge to have several more debates: You are right – Ifill should have called her on it too...What the hell good was asking questions if they weren’t suppose to answer them and when they wouldn’t answer them repeatedly for the moderator to not at least point it out? She could have said to Joe, I’m going to ask you my next question but you are welcome to do like the Governor is doing and say as a response what ever you want to say ------------------------------------------from Greg : Doesn't look like they're buying it from the after-debate polls so far Tamara of Secular Humanist: -the numbers will fluctuate quickly and go back to obama. i missed the last 1/3 as my kids did not allow me to view it, however, did she ever directly answer a question? "can i talk about..... " no matter what was asked? it is insulting. tamara________________________________________________________________________ from JJ at Secular Humanist: Here are a couple of Polls... the more we say the more they will hear. Go Vote, Folks. If people find other polls post them so we can put in our two cents... after the bailout that is all we can afford now.JJSine dolore est vulnus, quod ferendum est cum victoria. - It's a painless wound that the victor must bear.__________________________________________________Election__________2008: Biden mentioned his 35 years a few times...and I expected him to dowell because of it...The best surprise was Sarah....llaci_______________________________From: PONYHONEYTo: Southside VA Rural Rednecks fer Obama <SouthsideVARuralRednecksferObama@groups.barackobama.com>Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:46:18 -0400Subject: [SouthsideVARuralRednecksferObama] This Can't Be True, Is It?> This came in part of an e-mail today. A friend of mine sent it to a > hundred friends so I'm sure it's going all over the Internet. She > said, "> (Remember Obama said in his book 'Audacity of Hope', 'I will stand > with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly > direction'.....If you ever forwarded an email, now's the time to do > it!) "> > That's got to be a lie or taken out of context, right? What does it > mean? I need an answer to give to these people so I can defend > Obama. Does anyone know?> > Thanks,> > Debi_____________________Stephen Fox: Yes, it is true. i read the book. it is taken entirely out of context but the people who are brandishing this quote are the kind of people who don't know what "context" even means. I suggest you get the book and read that section and the entire book before you argue with them. In the context of that comment, it made perfect and smooth and appropriate sense. Leave it to the Karl Rovians to pull something out of context and twist it around to stab you. It is what lawyers do all of the time, like it or not. Read the book, ponyhoney! I may quote you in my next article! You should be so lucky!from Julie of Houston for Obama:Long story...but I don't have a television at this house....What are the pundits and politicos saying?? Julie-
from Texas for Obama: Beginning to dislike her big sunshine smile....what is she laughing about.....what is so funny? MI
Choni of San Francisco for Obama: But all she talks about is the surge. Scare tactic. She hasn't said anything specific. I feel for her. She must be a nervous wreck
Getlanny from Northern Virginia for Obama: am going to crazy every time I have to hear Palin refer to herself and McCain as “Mavericks”. It’s as stupid as someone calling themselves “cool” when in actuality they are not.
LMANIV of African Americans for Barackobama: JOE Just killed her. The Maverick is dead on that one. OOOH!
Carolyn Carrier of African Americans for Barackobama: I agree! I think it's going to be a landslide except in the deep, deep South!
from April again: ME TOO!! It scares the hell outta me! I don't know whether to scratch my watch or wind my butt! Hahaha!---Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Caroll Park-Calloway Subject: [AfricanAmericansforBarackObama] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: debate I want to throw up from all the "gosh" and "wow" crap. We get it she's from a small town. It is rather telling...when at a lost throw in a cute little "gosh ya know"Caroll Park- Calloway"Never trouble another for wh at you can do for yourself"Thomas Jeffersonfrom April:I think those people who are typically charmed by her are starting to be turned off with the help of Tina Fey and The Couric Interviews. They're starting to see through it because she does it too much! And she's smiling about issues that she should be serious about.She has a head full of facts with zero understanding of them. Beauty pageant answers, I'd say.Eric Reminds me of when I was in undergrad on a history test, "I don't know what happened on that day but...." Caroline
She studied very well. Nothing is coming from the heart though. Just spitted out McCain platitudes. Mona
Her voice is getting old very fast!!! Jolene from Oregonians for Obama Clearly Joe has the grasp and knowledge of the issues and has the passion to fight for all of us. Sara is just plain not equipped to handle much of anything! Khy Griffin of Oregonians
Im mad proud of Joe tonight. I really am. LMANIV African Americans for Barack Obama
from Marion, private: Even the highly questionable "Laffer Curve" theory shows times when there is a need to raise taxes. Even the "Laffer Curve" theory isn't as ~out there~ as President G W Bush has been these past years, and as Senator John McCain promises to be for another four or more if he's given the chance. I think even the "Laffer Curve" authors and experts would agree that at this time, cutting taxes is going to shove revenue into the dirt. BIG TIME. Oh Did I love this Debate :)!!!!!!
Celina of San Francisco for Obama: Yes she must be a nervous wreck ... Joe O'Biden - did anyone hear that? And no Palin, you aren't so different from the flipping on issues in washington. Bridge to Nowhere ring any bells? jacksondeo of african americans for barack obama:She sounds incredibly rehearsed, to the point of sounding mechanical. She's so eager to get out the bit of information that she retained, that she redirects the question to what she feels she knows even when he as nothing to do with what was asked. She just isn't answering many of the questions. Biden is doing great! "I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere." Classic! I agree she continues to study her chest sheets as Joe Biden talks.
------Original Message------ To: African Americans for Barack Obama ReplyTo: AfricanAmericansforBarackObama@groups.barackobama.com Sent: Oct 2, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: [AfricanAmericansforBarackObama] Re: debate Yes she has cheat sheets Joe is the winner. m of oregonians for obamaI think she started out OK but then went to the circular speak pretty quickly. And she just sounds so rehearsed; Joe sounds relaxed, sincere and SMART.And I love how she brought up Bush on her own many times -- obviously she didn't get the memo that that association might not be such a great idea. Kelly of San Francisco for Obama
from Roger of Dallas Air America:
When she said she wished she could have more opportunities like this to speak directly to the American people without going through the filter of the press...WHY THE HELL DIDN'T HE ASK HER IF SHE WANTED TO DEBATE AGAIN???? Instead he let her go home with the ball!!!!!And again. It's not about who is or was right or wrong about anything. Not in any way that get's swing votes. It's about trust. Every time she makes a charge, it's not enough to show that she's wrong by giving the Obama Biden side. He's got to call attention to the fact that she's INTENTIONALLY wrong, distorting, misrepresenting, taking things out of context. Only once and only briefly did he call attention to the fact that she changed the subject to taxes, when she had no rebuttsl to something implied in his remarks.He deinitely should have parodied that. "It's like the old cheer. When we say health care, they say taxes. When we say regulation they say, taxes. When we say Iraq was a mistake, they say taxes. Look I've showed you who wants to tax who. How long do they think they can keep playing that tax and spend card. the Republican party has engineered the biggest deficit in the history of this county."The short rebuttal to Palin's obfuscation about Gen. McAllen saying the surge wouldn't work in Afganistan was not to say "Yes he did." The effective emotive rebuttal is " You can shape this whatever way you want Governor, but how are you going to get around the fact that he used the word "SURGE" in saying what wouldn't work. Only the McCain Palin ticket could find wiggle room in something like that."I know it's hard. I know it's like getting Wheel of Fortune alot easier when your home than up there. But I'm still disappointed again. I think these guys need one o' them transmitter-receiver thingy's Bush wore under his suit in those debates.ButI "betcha" one thing. This weekend Tina's going to be using the word "blender" (blunder) somewhere, and one other odd pronounciation I wish I could remember right now.
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Sarah is a fine debater. They both seem to be enjoying it, ratherthan that "pursed lips" look other debates have had. from Laci Election____2008
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from Secular Humanist: Who Won?
1st Answer, from Milton:
Biden's answers were clear and substantial while Palin spouted talking points.
Herb Snyder of Secular Humanist: Sarah was charming, as I expected her to be. She is a real character, and I do like her. However, I still believe that she has no business being in public office. I am glad that she did well, but her total lack of knowledge always shows. I would love to spend an evening talking with Sarah on many subjects. She would be fun and very lively. But I would still vote for Biden. Concerning anything to do with running America, he is very competent.....
from Lauren Benjamin of SEcular Humanist: This changes everything, IMO.....everything. Palin is more than holding her own in addition tolooking straight into the camera with her well rehearsedtouting of John McCain's accomplishments. Biden retorts by saying...."I don't think so. No he didn't."The Right will be elated. McCain's numbers will probablygo up. No more chatter about Palin being as "dumbas a box of rocks" (although I still think she is).This just changes everything. I'm feeling very dejected. Lauren
-------------------- Starting at 9 p.m. ET, watch the vice presidential debate between Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin live at http://www.washingtonpost.com. Then, visit http://www.washingtonpost.com/debates tomorrow morning to watch the full debate, use an annotated transcript to analyze each exchange, vote on which candidate won each question and join a discussion with other armchair pundits.For more information, visit washingtonpost.com_________________
Citation Dems2008 Palin's head did NOT blow off her shoulders; she did NOT do anything bad enough to get bumped from the ticket. Therefore, we win by keeping this idiot on the McCain ticket. Had she said something really really really stupid -- like hoping that East and West Germany will reunify someday or something like that -- she'd be gone by Friday night. But now she stays. Thank God And if 60% of folks thought she was unqualified going into the debate, surely not many of them suddenly tonight had some epiphany in which s/he said, "Oh, I was wrong; she's qualified." Early polls are saying Biden won the debate: two that I've seen so far. ___________________ Ron Corvus at Election____2008:Palin sounded like canned crapolo. Fresh as nothing. She thought she had it goin' on.......she didn't.And that hair-do! ...........more like a hair-don't!When asked about "X", she answered, "Y."You call her an accountable person? The gal can't even answer a straight question with a straight answer. Palin could NOT differentiate between Bush's policies and McCain's policies; you know why? Because there's virtually no difference between the two butthole, bloodthirsty ignoramuses - Bush & McCain.Boy Palin really took Obama down huh? Not an f'in dent! Not one! Her fifteen minutes was up fourteen minutes into the debate.Palin lied her ass off; regurgitated lies at that!Laci, you must not know debate from a hole in the ground.I bet you shop at Kohl's..............r o n ------------------------------------------------------ Rescue America of Election_____2008 wrote: Palin said tonight the following: 1.) That she wanted to expand powers for the Vice-President; (just what we needed) 2.) That she was NOT going to answer Gwen's questions; 3.) That she was NO LONGER giving interviews, period. Chris Matthews commented on these things Palin said and cast them as ridiculous. This female is patently unqualified and supremely arrogant and decidedly unknowing and ignorant, especially when it comes to the law. She regurgitated pre-packed, pre-tested, campaign-approved double-dribble. If you look up the term, "bimbo" in the dictionary, it says "Sarah Palin; 2008 flash in the pan who petered out quick." Biden and Palin are both AGAINST gay marriage; Biden and Palin are BOTH for drilling for oil; Biden and Palin BOTH want to keep troops in Afghanistan; neither offer universal healthcare; Biden and Palin BOT shamelessly support terrorist nation Israel; -----------------
Marion wrote to Susan Privately, but seemed to share this widely: > Rachael Maddow and Pat Buchannan -- BOTH INCREDIBLY WRONG!!! > > HA! -- Joe Biden won the debate HANDS DOWN - More substance, and the > passion that such substance needs, and drilling home again and again > the fundamental points that this election is about! > > and Joe Biden is not even close to boring as Buchannan tried to say. > and Sarah Palin's demeanor was totally better than Maddow tried to > describe. > > PS I didn't like her to begin with, I'm liking her now, I hope she'll > carry on in a way I can continue to respect if not agree with -- just > don't think she's a good choice for Vice President of the USA.
from RescueAmerica of Secular Humanist: I think they bonded and a friendship came out of the debate.You have to admit these are two strong willed individuals with clear and decisive expectations and ideas and ideas about what they see as ethical and moral, and they agreed on a lot of items. But then politics reared it's ugly head again.
from John of Secular Humanist:
Wow, what debate were you watching? The one I saw had Palin everywhere but on point! She showed us exactly what we thought, that she is NOT qualified to be the VP candidate and she was just selected because she was a woman!
from RescueAmerica: OMG!!!She rocked!!!!Actually, I think it was an even debate and both were balanced and on point for their conceptions of what our country is.
from Citation again: U.S. relations with Israel than do I (and I know almost nothing other than headlines): Is the view of American Jews generally that the Bush Administration has been a disaster for Israel (the assertion that Biden was making tonight). As I say, I don't have a view, so will be interested in the better informed views of others.Palin seemed to be saying that Bush has been just hunky dory re: Israel; Biden was saying Bush has been a disaster toward Israel's interests.
Herb Snyder again: I would still enjoy spending an evening talking with her. She is delightfully daffy, and it would be fun. I would also counsel her to stay out of public office........
Sherry of Secular Humanist: I can't stand to watch her. Palin is such an ass. Do people really fall for her fake smiles, her winks, her strange voice..!!Biden is doing great!Palin still can't answer a question directly. I'll give it a few more minutes.sherry
Marion, Privately: Sarah Palin presented a wonderful model of how a lady conducts herself in this world beyond the glass ceiling, and Joe Biden presented a wonderful model of how a ~~TRUE~~ gentleman treats a lady with whom he's having a debate, in the land beyond the glass ceiling. ------------------------------------------
Ron again from Election____2008: Let's get this real, real straight - right here and now: Anyone supporting Sarah Palin is a damn fool and downright unAmerican! Well why would that be so? BECAUSE, for one thing, Palin chided Biden and anti-Bush groups by saying that anyone knocking Bush was just lving in the past and not looking forward. This bitch snapped this fluff non-chalantly, as if tossing a Handi-wipe in the trashcan. Has this unit ever heard of accountability? Has she no sense whatsoever of accountability? Apparently not....she just wants to "move-on."What in the WORLD would the late George Carlin say about Sarah Palin? Just the thought is hilarious..r o n
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from Greg Moderator, Secular Humanist: Hi Lauren and All! She certainly played through as Sarah the cartoon. But I don't think she did McCain or the ticket any favors.Just my opinion. What's everybody's?Greg
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from Nancy Cunningham of Dallas Air America on why Didn't Biden Accept Her Challenge to have several more debates:
You are right – Ifill should have called her on it too...What the hell good was asking questions if they weren’t suppose to answer them and when they wouldn’t answer them repeatedly for the moderator to not at least point it out? She could have said to Joe, I’m going to ask you my next question but you are welcome to do like the Governor is doing and say as a response what ever you want to say ------------------------------------------
from Greg : Doesn't look like they're buying it from the after-debate polls so far
Tamara of Secular Humanist: -the numbers will fluctuate quickly and go back to obama. i missed the last 1/3 as my kids did not allow me to view it, however, did she ever directly answer a question? "can i talk about..... " no matter what was asked? it is insulting. tamara
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from JJ at Secular Humanist: Here are a couple of Polls... the more we say the more they will hear. Go Vote, Folks. If people find other polls post them so we can put in our two cents... after the bailout that is all we can afford now.JJSine dolore est vulnus, quod ferendum est cum victoria. - It's a painless wound that the victor must bear.
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Election__________2008: Biden mentioned his 35 years a few times...and I expected him to dowell because of it...The best surprise was Sarah....llaci_______________________________
From: PONYHONEYTo: Southside VA Rural Rednecks fer Obama <SouthsideVARuralRednecksferObama@groups.barackobama.com>Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:46:18 -0400Subject: [SouthsideVARuralRednecksferObama] This Can't Be True, Is It?> This came in part of an e-mail today. A friend of mine sent it to a > hundred friends so I'm sure it's going all over the Internet. She > said, "> (Remember Obama said in his book 'Audacity of Hope', 'I will stand > with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly > direction'.....If you ever forwarded an email, now's the time to do > it!) "> > That's got to be a lie or taken out of context, right? What does it > mean? I need an answer to give to these people so I can defend > Obama. Does anyone know?> > Thanks,> > Debi
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Stephen Fox: Yes, it is true. i read the book. it is taken entirely out of context but the people who are brandishing this quote are the kind of people who don't know what "context" even means. I suggest you get the book and read that section and the entire book before you argue with them. In the context of that comment, it made perfect and smooth and appropriate sense. Leave it to the Karl Rovians to pull something out of context and twist it around to stab you. It is what lawyers do all of the time, like it or not. Read the book, ponyhoney! I may quote you in my next article! You should be so lucky!
from Julie of Houston for Obama:Long story...but I don't have a television at this house....What are the pundits and politicos saying?? Julie-
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