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Open Thread: Vote For Change Begins Saturday
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Christopher Hass
- May 10th, 2008 at 12:50 am EDT
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Christopher Hass
May 10th 2008 at 12:46 am EDT (Updated May 10th 2008 at 12:48 am EDT)
Anyone attending a Vote For Change event tomorrow?
If so, which city?
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Nicole, NH "sweetie"
May 10th 2008 at 12:46 am EDT
2nd or 1st?
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The Pollitikat
May 10th 2008 at 12:50 am EDT
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Guy-----------Ohio
May 10th 2008 at 12:54 am EDT
VIVECK OBEROI VIVEK OBEROI
VIVEK OBEROI
VIVEK OBEROI VIVEK OBEROI
Mr.Troll
You need to contact me, I will be posting your phone # address, parents address, ect.
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Zach Ritter (Austin, TX)
May 10th 2008 at 12:59 am EDT
Hello everyone!
I'm a 17 year old student for Barack!
I just created my first fund-raising page two days ago so if you want to learn more about me or my page, please visit!
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Eileen in Maine
May 10th 2008 at 1:02 am EDT
Hi Zach, will you be helping to get people registered to vote tomorrow?
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LV Duckworth
May 10th 2008 at 10:54 am EDT
Yes,
Do not concern yourself with Michelle's college writings, they are simply a reflection of her school experiences - her views have matured and grown well beyond the microcosm of college life.
Michelle would be the first to tell you that she has always been the more cynical one in their marriage, that Barrack is the "Hope" guy. She has also said that Barack has brought her to believe that all things are capable of change.
Her cynicism is a strength for Barack not a weakness, it keeps him grounded.
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Anthony in N.C.
May 10th 2008 at 1:54 pm EDT
John,
Unfortunately a number of Blacks including myself has suffered in some way from racism which has help to shape our perception or viewpoint of American. As we grow older and learned that are Americans who can look beyond our skin color and name, our perception changes as well. As a result, instead of teaching our children to hate or be cynical, we teach our children to look at a person's character and judge them based on their actions or deeds. Finally, we teach them as well as remind ourselves that the United States of America in spite of its flaws this is the greatest country in the world. Just like so many people who use to be KKK members or members of hate groups have changed their minds and embrace people of other races. So, let us put the past behind us, celebrate the present and embrace the bright future of this country.
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!Rhonda => As A Man/Woman Thinks in His/Her Heart, So Is He/She...We ARE Creative & Innovative... Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!!
May 10th 2008 at 5:25 pm EDT
Little girl johnniemae,
sean-hal turner-hannity and other hell hounds from fake news already spew this earlier this year and the fact that you brought this here is not going to change anybody mind or heart.
The mccain/clinton ticket should really be to your likeing you little darn rabies possum cooked stewbrain.(LOL).
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Baracktober
May 10th 2008 at 12:03 pm EDT
Like your site. cool stuff. like the video clips too. good job
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John Hay - An Australian for Barack
May 10th 2008 at 3:47 pm EDT
An important message for Barack
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John Hay
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CMarieCT
May 10th 2008 at 12:54 am EDT
I AM IN CT!!!!
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Jeff in "Mayretta", GA -- Middle aged, yet a first time voter because of Barack Obama
May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
Atl, GA and last I checked there were over 650 registered for it. Being held at the World Congress Center.
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James in Eugene
May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
Hey Cherylene,
I am really disturbed by your Joe Lieberman. He campaigned completely different than the freak he's become.
Can't you start a recall petition to get rid of him, or something?
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Elaine from Jupiter, FL
May 10th 2008 at 9:31 am EDT
Yes, Jupiter, FL
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Sense & sensibility voter
May 10th 2008 at 3:05 pm EDT
How stupid or miss informed does the media think we are? This weekend they have the speaking heads once again voice their opinion on the up coming November election and who they perceive is the best candidate for the democratic nominee? I know we are all up for a good debate and the belief in the freedom speech but will these debates be equal and just? Looking at the lineup you have favored two to one or three to one (depending what channel you are watching) against Senator Obama. Research this site
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and you will see all the TV, radio and cable station including local newspapers, international and independent papers are composed of holdings to three major corporation. These holding made possible by dear old Wm. Jefferson Clinton with his passing of the “Media Consolidation” Bill along with him enabling a foreigner (William Murdock). When he was in office there was no end to his shady deals. Thus the reason he/she wants back in the white house, truly big time mafia.
SUNDAY’S LINEUP:
Meet the Press hosts Chris Dodd and Clinton chair Terry McAuliffe, and a roundtable with Washingtonpost.com's Chris Cillizza, CNBC's John Harwood, NPR's Michele Norris and Wall Street Journal's Gerald Seib.
Face the Nation hosts John Edwards, McAuliffe and Politico's Jim VandeHei.
This Week hosts Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senator McCain Victory chair Carly Fiorina, and a roundtable with Cokie Roberts, Sam Donaldson, George Will and Washington Post's Ruth Marcus.
Fox News Sunday hosts Obama strategist David Axelrod and Clinton comm. dir. Howard Wolfson. The "Power Player" is Ben Stein.
Late Edition hosts Reps. Roy Blunt (R-MO) and Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez (Ret.), Iraqi Amb. to the U.S. Samir Sumaidaie, and a roundtable with CNN's Ed Henry and CNN's Jessica Yellin.
Bottom line, when you think the media is being objective, think again. It appears that the mass majority of the media is being controlled by their Key Executives and the news reports we are receiving just might be tainted. For example, currently the polls are saying that Senator Clinton is ahead of Senator Obama if either were running against Senator McCain and that Senators Clinton margin of victory over Senator McCain is larger than Senator Obama. Well, I say you do the research for yourself and you might be surprised by the truth.
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Nicole, NH "sweetie"
May 10th 2008 at 12:47 am EDT
Yes, in Nashua NH
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The Pollitikat
May 10th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT
I decided to go to Indiana because I knew that Obama would need as much help as he could get there. I traveled with two ladies that I met while campaigning in Philadelphia. I originally planned to fly but decided to drive because I thought it would be a more enriching experience. I was right.
Saturday afternoon we loaded up our PT Cruiser and headed to the mid-west. I have never been to the mid-west. After four hours of driving I thought only Pennsylvania was to the west, it took hours to get through Pennsylvania, but we dashed through West Virginia, then Ohio, finally reaching Indiana around four o’clock in the morning. The entire drive we stayed up, discussing politics, society, culture, government, our next president, and the movement we are building. All three of us were unlikely volunteers, and none of us ever worked on a political campaign before. Two ladies over fifty and me, a single mom, we hailed from Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey. We dubbed ourselves The Tri-State for Obama.
The sun began to rise as I sped through Indiana anxious to reach our destination to get some sleep. I got pulled over by the police. He told me I was going ninety, I said I thought I was going eighty; the speed limit was sixty-five. One of the ladies shouted “we are here for Obama”. He said “license and registration, please”. When he returned after checking my credentials, he let me go with a warning, THANK YOU OFFICER. I asked how far to Indianapolis, he responded ten minutes but if I go ninety I will get there quicker. I promised I would be off the road in ten minutes, thanked him and continued my journey. We arrived in Indianapolis Sunday morning about nine am, around fifteen hours after we departed. Thank you to the receptionist at the University Place Hotel for allowing us an early check in. After the long night of driving, some breakfast and hotel check, surprisingly we had so much energy and excitement about being in Indianapolis to work for Obama, we decided to go to the headquarters and check in. Thank you to all the staff and volunteers at the headquarters on Fulton who welcomed us with open arms and made us feel at home.
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JohnM in Vermont
May 10th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT
Incredible. People care -- they really care! It's so wonderful to read individuals stories -- I would hove to see more stories like this on the blog. It's truly inspiring.
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JohnM in Vermont
May 10th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT
Incredible. People care -- they really care! It's so wonderful to read individuals stories -- I would hove to see more stories like this on the blog. It's truly inspiring.
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT
Thank you for your post, Novelette.
It brough tears to my eyes -- don't know why -- the dedication that means so much to us all.
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Suzanne in Jupiter, FL
May 10th 2008 at 5:09 am EDT
Thank you for sharing such a positive and uplifting post. Also, for your commitment to this campaign. I am one of those "over 50 white women" who is suppose to be for Hillary. I have always voted, but up until now have never gotten involved in a campaign. Now, for the first time, my husband and I have not only donated, but also volunteered. I can only "hope" that the enthusiasm and inspiration that Barack has energized will continue to grow with time, as I am sure it will. HOPE is contagious!! Thanks again for your posting
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Catherine of Riverdale, IL
May 10th 2008 at 6:03 am EDT
What a great article! I loved the pictures as well...
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May 11th 2008 at 9:14 am EDT
Yes we can
Check the latest Obama news and articles at
TheObamaNews.Com
TOP news -
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I.believe "ready to work hard to get Barry elected"
May 10th 2008 at 12:50 am EDT
Yeah, I am going. NYC
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 12:51 am EDT
I am in small town North Dakota- the only state that does not register voters.. I called my state Democratic office today.. and they literally didn't know about the Voter Reg going on in this country.. so I asked what the heck are we doing to turn this red state blue by Nov.. nuthin'.. so I did get my county Dem chair's number and I will be talking to him tomorrow.. and tomorrow is Band Day here in town.. so I will be flashing my Obama Pin wherever I go!!
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I.believe "ready to work hard to get Barry elected"
May 10th 2008 at 12:55 am EDT
You may want to just grab some voter registration forms and setup a table and sign up new voters.
I signed people up in PA and NY to vote and it wasn't part of the NY Dems.
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT
yeah but see you don't have to sign up to vote in ND. You just show up at your polling place on election day and state repub or dem and get your ballot. So as I said I'll talk to the Dem chair tomorrow and see what we're gonna do- this whole darn town is repub.. I have literally the only Obama sign in a town of 12,000... and it's a lonely little sign!
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I.believe "ready to work hard to get Barry elected"
May 10th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT
Ohh, I thought you meant that the Dems just weren't organized. Okay, then it seems like you have a lot of work ahead of you.
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Adrianne
May 10th 2008 at 1:04 am EDT
Good for you!
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Johnnie in Saratoga Who's Sane and Proud of her Country
May 10th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT
Way to go!
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marti
May 10th 2008 at 12:54 am EDT
House Party in Milwaukie, Oregon
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Czarina JB in Arizona
May 10th 2008 at 2:04 pm EDT
What size town is Milwaukiie. My niece and nephew live there.
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Deb from Maine & Nevada
May 10th 2008 at 12:55 am EDT
Here in Carson City, county B.O. delegates are holding a BOwl for Obama event leading up to the NV State Convention May 16th. It was rural northern NV who tipped the final caucus results in Obama's favor...we are psyched!
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Diana G. ~California believes~
May 10th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT
Is the idea to only get gutter balls? Lol. Sounds like a party I'd enjoy.
I'm hopping down to my local Dem headquarters and going wherever they send me.
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Daniel from Los Angeles, CA (I believe in Barack!)
May 10th 2008 at 12:56 am EDT
Yes, Los Angeles CA here. By the way here is my Fundraising
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please help me get Barack elected
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We should all continue to DONATE what we can when we can. Barack Obama will need as much money that he can get for commercial time during the GENERAL election. Lets make this month his second RECORD BREAKING donation month. Donate now!
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Suzanne in CO
May 10th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT
I'm attending our Congressional District convention with my husband (we are Obama Delegates!). So we can't be at a registration event - but we'll be with all in spirit.
We are running for National Delegates - we printed some cute little cards talking about our support for Barack!
Have a Powerful Day of Change everyone!
Suzanne
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CeCe in South Carolina where everyone is not a jerk like Wilson
May 10th 2008 at 2:29 am EDT
Suzanne,
Best of luck to you and your hubby!
Love & Peace,
CeCe
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CeCe in South Carolina where everyone is not a jerk like Wilson
May 10th 2008 at 2:33 am EDT
Suzanne,
Best of luck to you and your hubby!
Love & Peace,
CeCe
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IManOBAMAmama
May 10th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT
PENNSYLVANIA
VOTE FOR CHANGE!!
We are Ba RACKIN' PA!!
We've already changed 2 counties to MAJORITY Democratic!!!
YES.
WE.
CAN.
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♥♥♥ dreams of peace( who is tired of sara "kill em" & "drill em palin) ♥♥♥
May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
I made two videos today --- anything for laughs and inspiration
my inspirational Obama video --
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my republican soulja dance comedy video - lots of dancing by karl rove, bush and mccain
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G S
May 10th 2008 at 2:50 am EDT
Very cool.
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If Hope is Kool-aid, I'll take another glass
May 10th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
I will be taking part in Portland, OR
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Cathy from CA
May 10th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT
Chris,
My husband and I are working at the Vote for Change event in Red Bluff, CA tomorrow 10am-2pm
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4earth, WA ☂
May 10th 2008 at 2:27 am EDT
Chris, this is a wonderful event. I hope we get a ton of new people! It would be great in the fall if we could win almost every state. It will show how Barack can bring people together!
Good luck everyone!
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elrodney
May 10th 2008 at 3:05 am EDT
Yep, me and my wife in Houston.
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Jacquelyn 4 Obama
May 10th 2008 at 3:13 am EDT
I hope to join the Chicago registration group in the morning that will meet near Racine and Washington. I need to get away from my keyboard for a spell to get some air and exercise.
On the topic of registration efforts...
Does anyone have an update on whether the federal Department of Veteran Affairs still refuses to help disabled veterans who want to register and vote?
The last info I have is that the Director refuses to allow provision of transport to places where they can register and also refuses to allow on-site registration via laptop by volunteers.
The Director claims that all political activity is forbidden in federal facilities and that transporting to a place of registration would constitute misappropriation of federal resources.
I have written to the League of Women Voters, Common Cause, the ACLU and Congress but have received no replies.
According to the news article, Senator Feinstein is working on resolving the issue.
The situation is disgraceful. Being handicapped in a war is not cause for being barred from voting. Of all forms of accessibility, access to the ballot itself is a fundamental right of citizenship. Of all citizens, our disabled military personnel ought not be prevented from voting merely because they are in treatment in government hospitals.
My apologies for venting, but I feel such a sense of outrage and determination to visit DC before July.
Have a great weekend.
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Sue Florida
May 10th 2008 at 6:28 am EDT
Signed up for one in Fort Lauderdale. I finally get to do something other than call other states.
GOTV Florida...
Lets get moving!!!!
Don't forget the Mail Carriers food drive today. Put your bag of canned goods by the mailbox before you leave the house.
Obama Family...lets make a difference!
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Mary R. Il.
May 10th 2008 at 6:58 am EDT
I am attending a voter registration event in Waukegan, Illinois.
I am a voter registrar so I'd like to get involved in this national campaign.
Click on my name, I set up an event several weeks ago:
Become a Voter Registrar in you State or County. Join us in becoming the change you want to see.
OBAMA 08
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Grandma4Obama
May 10th 2008 at 7:53 am EDT
ROXBURY, MA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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in the Boomers for Obama T-shirt.
LUV
Grandma
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Marsha F
May 10th 2008 at 9:02 am EDT
I'll be at the Boston, MA event. Looking forward to it. One of my favorite things about politics is empowering people to register to vote. Anyone from the Boston area - it's at the Reggie Lewis Center in Roxbury (MLK Ave & Tremont St)
Have fun everyone!
Marsha F
Salem, MA
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Rafiki
May 10th 2008 at 12:36 pm EDT
Great writing and clear-headed strategy. I believe she can!
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Sooz
May 10th 2008 at 1:46 pm EDT
Carole, this is the big difference between Hillary and Barack supporters:
They say "yes SHE can" and we say "yes WE can." We're not looking for a big mama or daddy to take care of all of us. Barack invites us to step up to the plate and participate in our own futures -- doing the work, making the sacrifices, having the commitment necessary. This begins with selecting a leader enlightened enough to truly value the participation of each and every one of us.
She says "believe in me." He says "believe in yourself."
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Robby from Louisiana who loves the Middle Name Hussein and Believe in Barack Obama
May 10th 2008 at 12:00 pm EDT
Good Morning from Louisiana;
I am writting this post with a great deal of saddness. I just heard from my husband that their is an investigation going on at the Pentagon in relation to the way the Bush Administration has treated the remains of soldiers that are being cremated. It is being reported that the contract that was awarded to do the cremation was to a place that does pets cremations. So there is an ongoing investigation because this means that soldiers were being put in the same incentarators with pets. My God!! how horrible that our soldiers are being so disrespected by this administration. I am a veteran of the U.S.Army and all I can do is cry at this moment. Wake up people, we are a better Country than what Bush administration has shown the world we are. Barack Obama is the only chance we have in this generation to change the Bush and the Republican way of doing business in Washington. Please continue to pray for our soldiers. They need to be treated with respect and dignity.
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Czarina JB in Arizona
May 10th 2008 at 1:50 pm EDT
Can someone check out the post from Richard. This is serious. Someone is messing with delegates again. Please check it out and get him some help.
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May 10th 2008 at 12:46 am EDT
Cali
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praying4obama
May 10th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT
Roseville, CA
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Nicole, NH "sweetie"
May 10th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT
Congratz! You were first, Chris does not count :-).
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praying4obama
May 10th 2008 at 12:50 am EDT
For real? This would be my first first!
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Nicole, NH "sweetie"
May 10th 2008 at 12:59 am EDT
For real! You can tell by the timestamp on your first post.
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praying4obama
May 10th 2008 at 1:02 am EDT
Lets BA Rock the registration tomorrow guys!
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Diana G. ~California believes~
May 10th 2008 at 12:48 am EDT
4?
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May 10th 2008 at 12:58 am EDT
four (fôr, f$r), n.
1. a cardinal number, three plus one.
2. a symbol of this number, 4 or IV or IIII.
3. a set of this many persons or things.
4. a playing card, die face, or half of a domino face with four pips.
5. fours, Jazz. alternate four-bar passages, as played in sequence by different soloists: with guitar and piano trading fours.
6. Auto.
a. an automobile powered by a four-cylinder engine.
b. the engine itself.
7. on all fours. See all fours (def. 3).
–adj.
8. amounting to four in number.
[bef. 1000; ME four, fower, OE f"ower; c. OHG fior (G vier), Goth fidwor; akin to L quattuor, Gk tésseres (Attic téttares)]
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Obama08NOW
May 10th 2008 at 1:04 am EDT
HUH???
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT
Definition of 4
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT
Didn't you ask? hehehe
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Diana G. ~California believes~
May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
you are so silly. lol
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Suzanne in CO
May 10th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT
Obamacrat James -
Would you check out my question down the blog and see if you might be able to answer it?
Thank you so much!
Suzanne
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Diana G. ~California believes~
May 10th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT
Wow, 5th, not bad.
I'm reposting Elizabeth's great find from the last thread:
McCain said this in 2004 about J. Kerry...
Mr. Kerry defended Mr. McCain then, and the Arizona senator returned the favor in March, dismissing suggestions by the Bush camp that Mr. Kerry is weak on defense. "If you don't stand by your friends if they are unfairly attacked," Mr. McCain said Friday, "then you've lost your bearings."
ObAmA '08
I [Elizabeth] will keep posting this seeing the media is running with this story...Hopefully they are still searching the blog and find this article...
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CeCe in South Carolina where everyone is not a jerk like Wilson
May 10th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT
:-D
Don't you love it when they eat their words?
Even Pat Buchanan said that this was a stretch for McCain.
Thanks!
Much love,
CeCe
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Shel
May 10th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT
He said that??? OOoohhh, isn't that interesting?
I can't believe that in this age of the internet and instant news, that these guys think anything can slip by unnoticed or unresearched.
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Jo Obamican now hopeful in Idaho
May 10th 2008 at 3:12 am EDT
It does happen.
I read some stuff today that would make your toes curl as far as misinformation goes.
It is very frustrating.
Yes, WE can!
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Jacquelyn 4 Obama
May 10th 2008 at 3:37 am EDT
Wow. Excellent citation!
Perhaps Senator McCain caught the cogent reference, but couldn't admit it. Fascinating.
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May 10th 2008 at 6:09 am EDT
From the article -
Mr. Kerry defended Mr. McCain then, and the Arizona senator returned the favor in March, dismissing suggestions by the Bush camp that Mr. Kerry is weak on defense. ''If you don't stand by your friends if they are unfairly attacked,'' Mr. McCain said Friday, ''then you've lost your bearings.''
So I guess Senator McCain was saying that Senator Kerry was too old?
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May 10th 2008 at 12:48 am EDT
oolala look at us at the TOP~
I wish I had something meaningful to say..
Happy Friday Night?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:01 am EDT
....and Good Night,Gracie.
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May 10th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT
I am not able to participate tomorrow due to prior obligations. However, I will be praying for the success of everyone involved.
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May 10th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT
Thank you !! No Flickr ! Central CA Coast in the House!
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In Obama I trust
May 10th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT
No clicking...hooray!
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Jan "Sweetie" 4Obama
May 10th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT
Hi .. I see James is here too .. he cut !!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
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Jolie in Calif.
May 10th 2008 at 12:50 am EDT
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your county - JFK
We're doing it.
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VA . Greatgran 'Grab A Mop' for President Obama
May 10th 2008 at 12:55 am EDT
Finally able to get thru on the reply.Tried to get on in the last two threads an couldn't. Comment didn't work either.anyone else? Anyway phones again tomorrow.
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jerry25
May 10th 2008 at 12:50 am EDT
Article today about Jim Webb for VP:
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He finds the same appeal that I do, as well as Tim Russert.
Only thing is Webb must first endorse Barack and he needs to be tested on The Stump.
This would be an ideal time to endorse - and appear with Barack on Monday in neighboring WV.
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Adrianne
May 10th 2008 at 1:07 am EDT
Didn't he used to be a republican?
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT
Yep, now a democrat.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
I think this could help us though!!
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Liberal Atheist
May 10th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT
I like Web but he won't be a "great" surrogate. He's too rightous and grave. And of course he has not endorsed Obama despite his landslide victory in VA. I don't think Web is a believer in what Barack is trying to do. I don't think they'll look good together. I like Bob Casey and Tim Kaine a lot more.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT
True!!
and then you'll have the junior senator baloney all over again, even though that was not his main career to begin with...
I love the idea of the foreign policy ticket.....
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Day Lily "Virginia Mom"
May 10th 2008 at 8:57 am EDT
I read on wiki that in his college days he used the N-word alot, and drove around in college with a fake gun yelling this word in AA communities. Second, he wrote an article about women not being able to fight and that being at the military academy was like a horny womans dream (This came out during one of his election). I don't know how true it is because I read this in wiki. With the problems we are having with women now, I wouldn't recommend him. I was all for him until I read this yesterday.
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professor for obama
May 10th 2008 at 11:11 am EDT
I have to agree--no to webb. he would alienate women and AA (even if its the past); his senate campaign was plagued with missteps and he beat Allen only because of the "macaca" racist bit. he would tank obama's credibility. let him stump for him but he needs someone with a better past on race and gender.
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Stanley H. Krute
May 10th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT
Webb or Hagel have been my VP choices from the beginning. Webb's my top choice.
[1] He'll get us VA, PA, IN, and OH
[2] He'll get us Republicans, Independents, military, ex-military, and rural (WV, KY) voters.
[3] He provides military/patriotism antibodies to ward off a key GOP attack strategy
[4] He's a Vietnam vet. Vietnam vets, if anyone hasn't figured it out yet, are a GREAT group of people.
[5] He's tough and strong and smart and funny. Good on the stump. Any crap thrown at him will be boomeranged right back 10x.
[6] He's a Marine. Semper Fi. See #5.
ObamaWebb is THE WINNING TICKET.
Interestingly, a poll on HuffPost shows Webb in the lead among veep choices.
-- stan
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CeCe in South Carolina where everyone is not a jerk like Wilson
May 10th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT
My hubby, who is more politically astute than I, loves the idea of Obama and Webb.
I support OBAMA and I will support whomever he chooses.
Much love,
CeCe
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Obama's Pacific Special Forces
May 10th 2008 at 3:18 am EDT
As I have mentioned before, I tend to concur with Webb being the choice for VP. Barack, if you are reading this, I strongly urge you to consider Webb as your fist choice. Why?
Webb is the perfect fit to what you need as your VP. Webb is a war hero with significant executive experience who happens to also be a former Republican which eliminates McCain's strength. There is no VP candidate that McCain can choose that could even begin to match Webb's credentials. Webb, like you, is highly intelligent, has a command of the issues and has tremendous oratory skills. Webb would annihilate McCain's running mate in the VP debate. Sometimes, there may come a time when you will need to release an attack dog...especially when it comes to national security. Webb would be the ultimate attack dog to unleash! :) Additionally, Webb has shown that he will take folks to task when they refuse to do the right thing. His hammering of the republicans about the Iraq War is a prime example.
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Chris_EvangelicalLiberal
May 10th 2008 at 4:20 am EDT
Doubt that Barack is reading this. But someone in campaign headquarters is.
Whoever you are, please consider the groundswell of support Webb is getting on this blog and from commentators on other blogs. And don't ignore the vote on Huffington Post.
The support for Webb is not overwhelming. Sebelius is obviously another good choice. But the support for Webb seems to be visceral. It just feels right to a lot of people. I liked Richardson for VP until I noticed this. Webb's personality and persona just seem to *work* as a complement to Barack. You may want to trust instincts on this kind of open-ended, complicated choice instead of overthinking it.
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 4:48 am EDT
Here's why I don't think it would be Webb...
Quote from Obama at a fundraiser
"I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I'm not as expert on," he said, and then he was off and running. "I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area--foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."
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Obama's Pacific Special Forces
May 10th 2008 at 4:10 am EDT
As I have mentioned before, I tend to concur with Webb being the choice for VP. Barack, if you are reading this, I strongly urge you to consider Webb as your fist choice. Why?
Webb is the perfect fit to what you need as your VP. Webb is a war hero with significant executive experience who happens to also be a former Republican which eliminates McCain's strength. There is no VP candidate that McCain can choose that could even begin to match Webb's credentials. Webb, like you, is highly intelligent, has a command of the issues and has tremendous oratory skills. Webb would annihilate McCain's running mate in the VP debate. Sometimes, there may come a time when you will need to release an attack dog...especially when it comes to national security. Webb would be the ultimate attack dog to unleash! :) Additionally, Webb has shown that he will take folks to task when they refuse to do the right thing. His hammering of the republicans about the Iraq War is a prime example.
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Hope in Michigan
May 10th 2008 at 9:08 am EDT
What do folks know of Mark Warner, former Governor of Virginia? I remember Barack saying something at a Virginia rally about looking forward to working with Mark Warner in the future. I don't remember exactly how he worded it, but I remember wondering if this was a potential VP candidate.
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Greg from W.Va
May 10th 2008 at 10:30 am EDT
Barack Obama has already narrowed this down to a few people.I doubt that he considers Webb the person to get Hillarys people to come home to the party considering his oppinion of military women.I dont think so.
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Optimistic pragmatist
May 10th 2008 at 1:50 am EDT
Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius has the multiple points needed for a cozy win in Nov...
1. A Governor of a "heartland" state
2. Supporter early on
3. white
4. female
5. Has ohio ties (her father was Gov.Gilligan of Ohio + I think she was born there)
On the surface, it looks like she would really make it a Dream Ticket.
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Just another Dreamer (Jersey Girl )
May 10th 2008 at 2:03 am EDT
Obama/Webb my choice. Webb is military tough and strong on defense.
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★Hold Firmly Without Wavering,To The Hope That We Confess★- bonnie4Obama of MD
May 10th 2008 at 2:32 am EDT
Hi Everyone!
Unfortunately, WEBB would not win the one VOTE Obama needs, the FEMALE VOTE...rumor has it that he has sexual harassment issues. We need a VP who will bring us the female vote !
Wish I had time to retrieve Link, Sorry.
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★Hold Firmly Without Wavering,To The Hope That We Confess★- bonnie4Obama of MD
May 10th 2008 at 2:49 am EDT
Yes, here's the Link, well one anyway. Oops it's on Jim Webb and Sexual Harassment and other issues.
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G S
May 10th 2008 at 3:18 am EDT
That's the thing about him, he is a military man. He was opposed to woman serving in combat back in the days when he was a Republican. You can youtube him speaking, he is terrific. He endorsed Obama and campaigned for Obama in Virginia. He is a real military man still appreciated by the military. He doesn't pander to the military the way Hillary and other politicians do, he is for real, his son fought in Iraq as has McCain's. He has been married three times, his last wife is Asian (I think she is Chinese). McCain also remarried by the way. He is also fluent in Vietnamese for what it is worth. In Cali Asians were 10% of voters and they went 2/3 to Hillary, just like Latinos.
The truth is we will not be able to please all constituencies within the Democratic party (we are too diverse). Gore fought in Vietnam while Clinton dodged the draft. Obama has no military experience and he is going up against a solid military hero in McCain. We are not going to please everyone, but getting a military man in a time when we are still fighting two wars I think is essential. Webb used to be a republican, which I think is an asset.
He is a an outsider, he just got elected to the Senate. He fits the theme of bringing change to Washington.
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Joy IA
May 10th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT
From Al at The Field
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The Field’s presumed qualifications are that it will be a Catholic Democrat of evident competence and experience, a team player, and someone the nominee and his base consider ready to be president.
In other words, it will not be, for those and many other reasons, under any circumstances, a junior US Senator from New York. ;-)
Besides, each of these folks would be far more ready on day one, and would strengthen the ticket more visavis the Electoral College.
Discuss, and add your own…
1. Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius: Competent, Catholic, Ohio-born (and daughter of former Ohio governor), good chemistry with the candidate, not prone to gaffes, team player. Bonus: white woman from Kansas reminds of Obama’s own oft-overlooked roots. A “mother and child reunion.” Downside: Not vetted nationwide.
2. Virginia Governor Tim Kaine: Would likely tip Virginia into Democratic column, Catholic (former Jesuit missionary in Honduras), speaks Spanish, not prone to gaffes, knows the “Appalachian” demographics. Bonus: New star on the stage. Downside: Not vetted nationwide.
3. New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson: Competent, Catholic, gravitas, more vetted nationwide than most. Bonus: Locks up the Hispanic vote and ups its turnout; the more exposure he gets, the more people like him. Downside: Prone to distracting gaffes, and being VP would take him out of running for Secretary of State.
4. Delaware Senator Joe Biden: Competent, Catholic, gravitas, vetted. Downside: Senator. Downside with a bonus: He’s prone to provocative statements that could get spun as gaffes but when it comes to race relations, they are often of the comforting sort to voters that are not yet fully comfortable with Obama.
5. Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer: Catholic, new star. His nomination as a pro-gun tough-talking Democrat would blow minds, could make for nice synergy. Bonus: Would create the sense of an all-new Democratic party. Downside: Not vetted nationwide, prone to provocative statements that could get spun as gaffes.
6. Massachusetts Senator John Kerry: Competent, Catholic, gravitas, speaks decent enough Spanish, vetted nationwide. Bonus: Matches John McCain on all his strengths, and would drive his old friend McCain crazy off his game at every step. Downside: Senator. Lost ’04 election, prone to the occasional provocative statement that gets spun as a gaffe.
BTW, I think any of these choices would be an electoral winner in November, and go on to become the 45th president.
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Yen Nguyen
May 10th 2008 at 2:52 am EDT
What about Bob Graham? He was head of the Senate Intelligence during the Iraq war vote and encouraged everyone to read the NIE.
I rooted for him in 2004 and was saddened when he withdrew from the race.
All things considered, I would feeled assured with whoever the Obama team picks (with some minor exceptions).
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The Pollitikat
May 10th 2008 at 9:28 am EDT
I like the idea of Kathleen Sebelius because she is a woman and she is from Kansas. I think this would appeal to those who want to see a woman President.
Sebelius would show a committment to women and bringing them forward. She is also appealing to the mid-west and could bring crucial states into play like Kansas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Indiana; and in the important southern state Florida.
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Anita -- "Be the Change You Want to See in the World" - Gandhi
May 10th 2008 at 3:13 am EDT
Here are videos of Kaine and Sebelius in case you don't know much about them. They are introducing Obama.
Sebelius
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Kaine
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Carmen From New York City, NY
May 10th 2008 at 4:06 am EDT
Wow! What an excellent VP Sebelius would make.
A far cry from Hillary that's for sure.
I love her!!! She's great!
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 4:24 am EDT
Yeah, much different than Clinton
Far more feminine I think.
It'd be funny to see the GOP spend $$$ on Kansas, just makes winning Ohio & Pennsylvania easier for us.
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Sharon~Independent for Obama
May 10th 2008 at 4:27 am EDT
Agreed. She is such a proper intelligent and confident lady. Nobody needs a nasty fighter representing this country.
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 5:01 am EDT
And she's good with rural voters and smaller events which are what win over elderly voters.
It'd build a winning coalition too, intense women turnout and astronomical AA turnout.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:18 am EDT
morning all!
Here's Gov. Janet Napolitano
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Minnesota Gov. Brian Schwietzer
Brian Schwietzer
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 4:58 am EDT
Montana*
Minnesota's gov is Tim Pawlenty--A Republican and staunch McBush man.
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May 10th 2008 at 10:47 am EDT
Webb has made many on-record comments saying women do not belong in the military, are bad for morale. I havent verified it but a poster said he was married 4 times. The X-rated lines from his novels will be all over talk radio. He needs to be ready on Day 2 to be president. We need someone who has been Vetted Vetted Vetted who will help the ticket. We need an early supporter of Obama. We need someone who has supported him EARLY. With Enthusiasm! Chris Dodd for WingMan. 33 years in DC and he says Barack has the Best experience.
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Pizzaro
May 10th 2008 at 11:08 am EDT
Full disclosure I think Sebelius is the best choice - but I could be wrong
I like Webb as a senator But what I cannot understand is the desire to pick someone with Military experience just for the sake of it. Webb barely won his senate seat and how many miltary folks are going to vote the ticket just because of him.
Do we think this will negate John McCain's military expereince.
I don't know it just might be me.
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Felix
May 10th 2008 at 11:21 am EDT
I know Mr. Webb is a great individual but lets not forget he used to be a republican. That might be seen as good but with the recent divide in the democratic race, I just don't see how offering a VP choice to Mr. Webb helps us. I will rather see Kathleen Sebelius be the VP. She has worked her butt off for Barack. She has been campaigning and going to places. She was there for him during the tough times. She has earned it more than any other candidate. Barack can win Virginia without Mr. Webb because of Tim Kaine. Kathleen Sebelius should be the vice Presidential Candidate on Obama's ticket. She can get us Kansas, Colorado, Nevada, Ohio, Nebraska, Missouri and Pennsylvania. Kathleen Sebelius Deserves it. She's been campaigning for Obama for a long time. I even think McCaskill deserves it more than Mr. Webb.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:59 pm EDT
Obama/Sebelius is a magnificent combo on all counts in my view -- her gender, character, upbringing (seasoning her in politics), evenness in temperament, and, best of all, that tap into and affirmation of his Kansas roots.
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May 10th 2008 at 12:51 am EDT
Hey everybody,
I just setup my first fundraising page. If anyone is looking for a place to donate I would love to see you come on by.
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Thanks!
I can't tell you how much more relaxed I am now when I hear negative or questionable things from the other campaign. I feel like if we keep working hard there is no derailing Barack's nomination.
Keeping it positive and keeping Hope alive.
Mark in SF, CA
Go Obama 08!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
Hey Mark,
Since I am stuck at work in SF, I just send you your first donation!
Cheryl
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May 10th 2008 at 10:41 am EDT
Thank you!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT
I just send you your 2 donation !Party is on .
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May 10th 2008 at 10:43 am EDT
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May 10th 2008 at 12:52 am EDT
Yes We Can!
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Obama Mama
May 10th 2008 at 12:59 am EDT
I know he is pretty much our nominee, but I've been to HRC's site and they feel as though they have been robbed. I listen to Randi Rhoades religiously and she was trying to convince a HRC supporter to go to BO's website to learn about him and his policies and she pretty much said she doesn't know if she can vote for him. A lot of her supporters feel that way. Even though HRC's comments make her look bad, supporters hang on to her every word and we will need them in November, whether we like to admit it or not.
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Daniel from Los Angeles, CA (I believe in Barack!)
May 10th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT
Well I hope Hillary will eventually do the right thing and convince her supporters that this is a very important year for women to see a democrat in the white house. Issues such as free choice are going to be determined by what justices get appointed into the judicial branch. It may be another month from now but when we do hear from more HRC supporters we should all remember to welcome them with open arms.
And remember that HRC is also a democrat and once she is on the Obama team we should be welcoming the idea of that too.
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Obama Mama
May 10th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT
Well Daniel what I have been doing is educating HRC supporters, JM supporters, and anyone who is in between. I make sure I wear my button everyday so people can ask questions if they feel inclined to. As BO supporters I think we're going to have to make a huge effort once HRC comes on our side to educate her supporters and help them understand why we believe in Senator Obama.
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Daniel from Los Angeles, CA (I believe in Barack!)
May 10th 2008 at 1:18 am EDT
Agreed. For me reading his books and blogging just isnt enough. I find my self wearing my Obama shirt more and more, I have a button too I should probably wear around the girlfriend (at first she loathed my Obama obsession, preferring Hillary. Now she admits to me she likes Obama since Ive been able to explain my feelings from my heart).
Ive been trying to memorize main issues counterarguments, even the silly stuff such as lapel pins.
And I agree we all here on the Blogs need to understand that HRC supporters are reading our blogs already and are probably waiting for reasons to start talking with us. Lets all remember that the fight between HRC and BO is coming to a close and we should focus our anger at John McCain who is going to be our problem over this summer and fall
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Jo Obamican now hopeful in Idaho
May 10th 2008 at 3:19 am EDT
Be sure and include Supreme Court appointments in your talks. McCain cannot be allowed to choose any justices.
Yes, WE can!
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT
Never.
I welcome all Hillary Clinton's supporters and fans but not Hillary Clinton.
It is time for this woman to go, not to be rewarded for bad behaviour.
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Eileen in Maine
May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
When the campaign is between B.O. and McCain, more of them will be open to Barack, I'm sure.
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
this is her fault- hills, she needs to graciously allow her supporters the time to grieve and to move on and she needs to help them through the process rather than continuing to chase a nomination that has become very detrimental to this party and to our country, frankly. She has turned her supporters against Barack Obama by her viscious and deceitful attacks.. and they follow her every next goalpost change, switch, etc. I feel very sorry for them, but frankly I feel much more concerned about my country at the moment.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
I know some of her supporters who are older white women who are teachers at my school. They are FINE with Barack, sometimes go back and forth, but are just thrilled with the idea of a woman for President. They are NOT so serious about all this, and are fine with Barack if he gets the nomination.
I'm not too worried as long as we get the nomination.
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT
right- I actually think her more rabid supporters are those that are online and super involved emotionally.. also I've heard that those at mydd and hillary44 are somewhat right of center and have more issue with race than actual issues with issues.. so possibly we aren't gonna get that bunch anyway- which is fine.
Also, keep in mind that most people are not following this the way some of us are, most people won't really take notice until it's McCain and Obama.. then we will see people going more along party lines and much more open to BO's messages and stances.
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jerry25
May 10th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT
That's right and don't forget that Barack has rarely gone negative on Hillary. Hillary's supporters can't point their finger to much that Barack has said to anger them.
We are the ones who the Hillary supporters may be justified to be angry with. But Barack, despite our wishes over the past 10 months, has refused to go negative, especially in debates, and soon it will pay dividends. Barack figured this all out long ago and is sticking with his plan - which was almost derailed by Rev. Wright.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT
My younger sister who is 60 has also been a Hillary supporter because she believes it's the only chance she'll have to vote for a woman. Somehow I'm older and much more optimistic. However, she is thrilled to vote for Barack in November. I have been a Barack supporter for 10 years because he was a fabulous advocate for Early Childhood 0-5 efforts when he was an IL State Senator. Many of us had watched him and knew of his work. At age 24 he was already getting asbestos removed from high rises in Chicago. And Project Vote right after Harvard Law. He transforms all that he touches.
Keep HOPE shining.
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
I agree,
I have spoken to many Clinton supporters who actually end up sounding like Obama supporters.
It is time for Hillary Clinton to go.
If Barack Obama offers her place on his ticket, it will be at his own peril. Republicans despise this woman. They will never forget her dishonesty, divisiveness and vicious tactics during the Clinton presidency.
And there are thousands -- millions -- of Democrats who believe that Obama's honesty cannot be mixed with Clinton's dishonesty on one ticket.
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Obama Grandmama
May 10th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
I think Hillary has actually poisoned some supporters against Barack with her lies about him. They probably are the most ardent supporters believing everything she says. I have witnessed it on her blog. However, I do know people that have nothing against him just think her experience and gender are needed. Those should vote for Barack since he has not gone negative on her. His sticking to issues should help him.
I was totally impressed early on when I dug into researching Barack's actual experience as compared to Hillary's. I think his substantive legislation that he has sponsored or cosponsored both in IL and in the US Senate needs to be shown and aired more. People are not aware of the amount of work he has accomplished in a shorter period of time than most ever would. He has made every year count.
His campaign itself and judgement in running it and choosing people to work on it as well as his paying bills and not being in debt should reflect as experience for running a country.
I do worry when I hear people say he should pick Hillary as a running mate, pay her campaign debts or give in on MI and FL giving her more delegates. I am not in favor of those things.
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Jacquelyn 4 Obama
May 10th 2008 at 4:00 am EDT
There are millions of "older white women" like me who are actively supporting Senator Obama. I sincerely feel that the stats are incorrect.
With all the press hooha, I suspect that some women like to keep their candidate choice private.
I recently spoke to a friend in Minnesota who by default intended to vote for Senator Clinton until I asked why. Minnesota woman over 50 is now an Obama constituent. She also makes a point of giving misleading answers on surveys as an amusement.
Most people dislike being sorted into groups but also like belonging. That's where degrees of uncertainty comes from in polls.
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Michele
May 10th 2008 at 4:31 am EDT
"Most people dislike being sorted into groups but also like belonging."
How true. One of the many positive aspects of the Obama campaign is our ability to feel American again, as a united front with so many diverse faces.
With the economy as poor as it is, many Americans cannot travel are so cut off geographically from one another that we rely on the media to show 'us ourselves' in various ways.
That's where, I think, the problem comes in. The media select what THEY feel will get the most 'shock and awe' out of a story...so they are not reliable for the truth in facts, as we know it. (Except for some, e.g, Bill Moyers and Charlie Rose who know how to navigate the storyline without intrusion.)
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May 10th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
Yolanda,
I agree with you we need a united party in November. We may not get HRC's core. No more than she would get Obama's core vote. That's a reality we have to face.
We are not going to be held hostage by HRC supporters that demand Obama sit down so HRC can be the nominee for the sake of unity. In constests someone wins and someone loses.
I believe Obama recognized this and it is one of the reasons we are having another unprecendented event to register new voters in all 50 states. This will broaden our base and change the electoral college so we won't be so dependent on some states.
We can only offer HRC's crew unity, they have to be willing to accept it. I think HRC has taken our (Obama's) kindness as a sign of weakness and nothing is further from the truth.
Obama 08
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Daniel from Los Angeles, CA (I believe in Barack!)
May 10th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT
I dont think the core vote will be an issue. I can't imagine hardcore HRC being that "bitter" enough over a fair primary election. Super delegates are waiting in line to publicly endorse Obama. I think we should all recognize that everything will have its time and place. Hillary supporters may be even reading our Blogs now trying to decide what to do. Well I say to your, HRC supporter, join us we are on the same side.
Hillary may be trying force the VP issue but I don't think she has enough leverage to do that before Barack officially being the winner happens. After that, either way I think it would be in HRC best interest to help the democratic party out for her political future. At least I would hope she would.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
What I don't understand is why do we need labels. Why can't we be called what we are.... AMERICANS!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT
WE don't need labels, the MSM and HRC Camp need labels to craft their message on the Tube.
Human behavior being what it is, we begin to 'identify' with what we see/hear.
So...our knee-jerk reaction is to take sides.
That's what helps a politician, not the people.
OBAMA doesn't buy into you, neither should we.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT
My thought is, most of the people on Hillary's blog are die hard supporters, not representative of the mainstream. There were people here saying the same about Barack because we are passionate just as they are. My Grandma is a Hillary supporter but she said that she would vote for Barack. I do not believe the polls when they say 1 in 3 Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama. It is too high a number IMHO. I think it's spin to try and keep us divided.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT
I agree. I think that the majority of Hillary supporters are concerned about the issues that her and Barack have very similar ideas about. I think many of them are very sad. She was the favorite for a long time. It is hard to let go of a dream. I wish Hillary would help them though. I feel like she is doing them somewhat of a disservice by continuing and saying it is still possible.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT
Daniel,
That's just my point. We know it is a fair election, but that's not how they see it. I mean I would encourage everyone of you to go to her site and read some blogs (not to many though). Please don't get angry but go their to understand their mind set. They really feel as though he did something to sort of steal this from her. Its scary! Also if you can find the Randi Rhoades show on Nova radio. She is very concise and gives nothing but the facts.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT
I agree, Joel. I said similar things about not voting for Clinton in the general election. But Donna Brazile hit it on the head when she reminded all of us what is at stake McCain wins: a prolonged war in Iraq, more conservative judges on the Supreme Court, continued tax cuts for the wealthy, no college tuition credit, no change in the health care system. I think we (democrats) will come together soon. It takes time to readjust one's thinking. It will happen. Obama was so right not to go negative when many were calling on him to do so--he understood that in the end we are all democrats and all are working towards the same goal: a change in the White House in 2008. Welcome Clinton supporters--I hope to hear your thoughts as we all go forward together.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:04 am EDT
Virtually all of the HIllary supporters I know think Barack is a fine and brilliant man and will vote for him. THey have voted for Hillary out of loyalty and "it's her turn," but they have nothing against Barack.
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Arlene from CA
May 10th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT
As a mature woman I have friends who support Mrs. Clinton. However, they will support Barack in the Fall. They are not irrational! There are extremists in all groups.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:24 am EDT
I agree. I read/heard somewhere that the difference between HRC supporters and Obama supporters is the difference between 'obligation' and 'enthusiasm'.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
I think most of the HRC supporters will come around eventually. It just makes sense, if they really care about this issues. Right now, they're trying to deal with the disappointment of not winning and the shock of watching what was presented to them as a "sure thing" slip away. Those realizatons are hard for people to reconcile at first, and I think that's what gives rise to the feeling that Obama is "stealing" the nomination somehow. In reality, HRC and her campaign staff are to blame for the situation in which they find themselves. Their miscalculations throughout the campaign, even prior to the start of the campaign, opened the door just wide enough for Obama to get through and state his case. Not to diminish Obama, but HRC had all the advantages early on...money, name recognition, existing power base, experience. They just blew it.
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Catherine of Riverdale, IL
May 10th 2008 at 6:23 am EDT
Yolanda...whether they like it or not, they need us too. Obama can unite he country. Hillary has everybody polarized. Her plan is an old one...divide and conquer, but she cannot win without us.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT
Great discussion! It's so nice to see thoughtful debate going on, minus hostile and rude comments leveled at anyone who disagrees with a particular position! I really do appreciate seeing posts that continue on with a discussion and without it being hijacked either! ;-)
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May 10th 2008 at 12:56 am EDT
Do I have to start the party again now, if so lets get it started in here
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Of course, I made three donations thus far!
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In Obama I trust
May 10th 2008 at 12:59 am EDT
Blog hopping is always fun! Let's dance, shout, shake your body down to the ground.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:07 am EDT
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May 10th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT
Yes, we were waiting for YOU to arrive :)
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May 10th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
1968 The year I graduated H.S. and the year I was drafted:
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May 10th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT
OK, I have a question???
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May 10th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
I was lurking around here last night, being invisible, like some stalker, and I could not tell:
were you people trying to think up new names or write personal adds :) :)
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May 10th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT
I went to donate to your FR .. smile
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May 10th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT
I know, look down a couple posts!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT
I came to get you and gave you the link where the heck were you ?? LOLOL You are sooo funny .
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May 10th 2008 at 1:06 am EDT
Boo!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
It's hard to top a day like today !!!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT
Whooo hooooo thank you!!! You little stinker!!
Dude, I paid you,,,,,now party!! :)
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May 10th 2008 at 1:19 am EDT
Jan, if we keep this up, sooner or later we will fill up each others fundraisers!!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT
OMG .. we are insane !!! lol
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Jan "Sweetie" 4Obama
May 10th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT
But .. okay .. thanks .. now party !! YEAH ... ::shakin':: my lil head around cuz I can't dance
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May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
I not dancin, I am running around like chicken with my head cut off on this blog, it is making me dizzy!! :)
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May 10th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT
I know I can "see" you !! Isn't that weird .. !
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May 10th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT
I am here for a party.
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May 10th 2008 at 12:58 am EDT
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Event title says it all. Go to the upper right hand corner of this page now to the Obama store and order something you like with his logo as well as a few bumper stickers. Advertisement for Obama by free will is one of the easiest and best ways to send a message out to fellow Americans for this campaign.
If you have already donated then also remember the proceeds from buying at the store here also go into the Obama campaign and it will leave you with something to remember this year by. Again this is also free advertisement for Barack Obama and in some ways I feel it sends more of a message then sometimes commercials and billboards can do.
So please support this event by advertising for Barack. It is one of the simplest ways you can support him and who knows; you may get people to look into this campaign and vote for him this November without you lifting a finger
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May 10th 2008 at 1:02 am EDT
I've gotten to talk to more people just by wearing my button everyday!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
Ya whenever I wear the shirt it opens up conversation with folks about it very easily. I found a daycare provider for my niece and while I was in the interview the caretaker admitted her children keep urging her to vote for Obama this year. I had to admit to her that I sided with her kids. =)
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Jan "Sweetie" 4Obama
May 10th 2008 at 1:13 am EDT
I got my lapel pin the other day .. I thought it would be a good conversation piece .. LOL .. and loaded my purse up with buttons!!
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Diana G. ~California believes~
May 10th 2008 at 1:36 am EDT
I want a book mark program so I can do a logo bookmark master and print a bunch on cardstock for handouts to the high school kids when we do voter registration there. Ideas? One I can download, like a template, maybe 8-up on the page?
I am pleased to say I was behind an Obama bumper sticker today and parked next to one yesterday. My car didn't feel lonely. Course, I still have my Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker just so no one thinks I voted for Bush.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:08 am EDT
Aloha!
For bookmarks, you can use a box of postcard paper. Mess with the logo graphic a bit to turn it on its side using the Windows Picture Viewer and saving the file. Use a graphics program (in a pinch you can use PowerPoint) to create text to copy and paste.
Copy and paste your logo on the template, making two images per postcard. Print and cut on the score lines, and then each in half for eight bookmarks.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:13 am EDT
Doh! I just realized, it's just the template I work with in PowerPoint, that you'd need to turn the logo. Probably no need if you just use a Word document, but you'll lose some printing space with the margins. Hope this helps!
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May 10th 2008 at 4:26 am EDT
Brilliant.
Wear T shirt and a pocket full of buttons.
Thanks!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:01 am EDT
Goodbye to Clinton's double digit Ohio win
by svotaw1992
Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:25:34 PM PDT
I didn't see this posted anywhere, but Ohio has official results up for the primary. The numbers have changed significantly.
According to unofficial old results on RealClearPolitics.com and thegreenpapers.com, the race was won by Clinton 1,212,362 to 982,489 for a difference of 229,873 (or 10.4%).
The new official results are 1,259,620 to 1,055,769 for a difference of 203,851 (I had to add the districts up individually since I couldn't find statewide totals anywhere). That's a change of 26,022 toward Obama. The lead for Clinton is at a final margin of 8.8%, so I guess she didn't get that double digit victory in Ohio after all. Looks like there were lots of provisionals and absentee for Obama that didn't get counted on election night.
West Virginia is also coming up. With 660,000 registered Democrats and assuming a huge turnout, we get about 300,000 votes. If Clinton wins by 20%, that's a 60,000 vote margin. She's already lost a big chunk of that (26,000) with the Ohio official update. That's means the popular vote totals won't change much after West Virginia vote on Tuesday (for those who are even paying attention).
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May 10th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
Interesting...
If they later "find" that many additional votes for Barack in razor-thin Indiana, he'd win the state. Wonder if they've counted all the absentee ballots yet.
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Diana G. ~California believes~
May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
Very interesting. Yes, that was my first thought:Indiana. It was what, 11,000 votes last count. Did they ever update to 100%? They were still counting absentees also.
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Diana G. ~California believes~
May 10th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT
Recount!!! No wonder the mayor of Gary was cautious. Thanks Rush, you loser. Oh well, won't matter anyway. We're good. Thanks for the answer.
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David C. from Seattle, WA
May 10th 2008 at 3:20 am EDT
Are you KIDDING ME. Hillary will not allow them to do any sort of re-count in Indiana, she won by like 12,000 votes, she has no interest in a recount. She will try and block it and Obama as he
really just want to move forward (and not get into bickering) will say fine, let it stand.
If iND decides on their own to count these fine, but I think HRC will do everything she can to have it not counted.
Another thing it would look sort of like Obama is taking the low road here. Hillary got a victory, albeit a small one. If Obama goes about challening her victoires in past contest it just looks petty and he can't bring he party together if he undermines her credibility and honesty, accusing her somehow of duping the people into thinking she won Indiana.
Obama has better things to do, so does the campaign. If they do a recount or count these ballot by then the election will be over and if it is not, this is just old news.
If on election night she is announced the winner the public perception will not change if a month later they see she didn't.
Let her say whatever she wants, after Obama gets the nomination and is in the GE, she can say all she wants, can claim she really won all 50 states, I honestly really don't care.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT
ive been waiting patiently here at this computer screen waiting for it to scream at me.. WE actually WON INDIANA!
woo hoo... but it hasn't yet screamed at me..??? hhhhmmmmm
Thanks
i think we will have won it seriously with only 11ooo votes difference/? could be absentees, mailin s///???
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May 10th 2008 at 1:08 am EDT
hello! =)
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May 10th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT
can't wait for the voter registration drive kick off tomorrow here in NYC...
Obama/Webb 08-12
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May 10th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT
Hey, I am going to one in Harlem. Which event are you going to?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT
Hello Everyone -
I have not been able to check the blogs today so pardon my question if has been hashed and rehashed.
We have been reassured on the blog by Obamacrat and others that none of our fundraising dollars (our money) will be used to settle Clinton's debt.
Yet, Mark Halperin from Time, has highlighted MSM coverage of Obama indicating that he might settle Clinton's debt.
What is the truth?
I am NOT going to contribute to her debt!!!
Can someone help me understand what is being said and done?
Thank you!
Suzanne
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May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
I second that. As I understand it, the Obama campaign cannot directly give money to Clinton to cover debts, but can "help" Clinton raise money through join donation drives or by asking his base to donate to her campaign. I would just like to state emphatically -- and I'm sure I'm not alone here -- that while I understand the desire to "reach across the isle", under no circumstances will I contribute money that in any way goes towards paying Clinton's debts, especially when a large portion of those debts are to Mark Penn. Clinton could have exited the race way back when it was clear to everyone else that she had little chance of winning, but she chose to go forward on her own volition. If she had run a more respectable campaign, I may have been more willing to help out here, but as far as I'm concerned, she dug her own grave.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT
I cannot help pay her debts since running a clean race with fiscal responsibility is an important measure of any candidate, well atleast the later part. I noticed when she raised extra money she didn't pay those she owed but instead used it to fund more campaigning. She has her own money and if she wishes to spend it on her campaign trying to beat down Barack why should we pay her to do it?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
It is not unusual for a winning candidate to help the loser with campaign debt. It will NOT come out of our donations (illegal) to his campaign. What would happen is he would do fundraiser(s) with her where they would gather supporters of hers and his and raise money for her debt and also money for his general election.Also a way to bring supporters together.
Do not worry about this. Trust in Barack's judgement in dealing with Hillary.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT
This is a horrible idea even if our donations cannot be used -
1. The Republicans will certainly use this and call this a "pay-off" to Hillary to get out of the race
2. After all her negative and dirty old style politics that Obama derides, to help her in this way would really be a blow to his message.
Hillary has the wealth to manage this debt issue - for goodness sake, how much of his own money did Romney use?
This whole idea needs to go away.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT
Thank you so much for clarifying this!
I knew my blogger buddies would come thru with some facts!
Off to bed!
Suzanne
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May 10th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT
It would be illegal for Barack to use donations to his campaign to pay Hillary's debt.
He could help her later by assisting her with a specific external and separate fundraiser to help her retire her debt.
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HHH Hussein (Harmony, Happiness, Hope)
May 10th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT
Welcome Suzanne--
You're correct that this issue has been hashed and rehashed for the past few threads.
Bottom line: A HQ official assured one of our bloggers that the campaign will not pay her debts.
In addition, someone posted that it is actually illegal for the Obama campaign to use donated funds to the campaign to pay her debts.
It was further conjectured that Obama may want to hold a separate fundraiser to help alleviate her debts. Apparently, this way donors would know that they're contributing to a specific fundraiser to defray her debts.
I have not seen any of this in an official written document, thus this is all anecdotal.
So, take it all with a grain of salt.
Hope this helps!!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT
You can call the FEC and they will tell you.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
"Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits." Huffington Post
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May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
I just read a Huffington Post suggesting that Barack Obama, himself, is offering to pay her debt.
This was my reply:
Hillary Clinton has done everything possible to destroy Barack Obama -- and you (and apparently he) are suggesting he pay off her debts with funds that millions have contributed because they don't want any part of her!! Have you and he gone completely mad?
Clinton is continuing, to this very hour, to throw ethics to the wind and ask for people to donate their hard-earned money to help her continue her destructive and losing game.
Barack Obama does not need Hillary Clinton. He needs the help of her supporters, and that will come.
It is time for this woman to go. America has rewarded Hillary Clinton's bad behaviour for far too long. It is time for her to accept the consequences of her actions and personally pay off her debt.
If Barack Obama were to award Hillary Clinton any position on his ticket, he would to it at his own peril. He has millions of supporters who would flee in a second. He would compromise one of his most important qualifications, integrity, in one stroke. The Republicans would rub their hands with glee.
I predict he would lose the presidential race. The Republicans will never forget Hillary Clinton's dishonesty and repugnant tactics during the Clinton presidency. They will double their efforts to preclude an Obama/Clinton team getting anywhere near the White House. Their contempt for this woman is palpable throughout the Internet blogs. Democrats are seething with anger at the havoc she has wrought on Obama and the Democratic party. They would drop out, or side with the Republicans, rather than vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Barack Obama, please don't let us be wrong about you.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:51 am EDT
Agree!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:51 am EDT
Is this the article you read
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If it is, please read the entire article and you will have your answer.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT
"Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits." Huffington Post
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May 10th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT
I think this discussion about Obama lending a hand in ANY way to help HRC with her debt needs to end. Even if it is not using our money, for Obama to use his good name to help someone who has engaged in the dirtiest of politics is a bad idea. She has the resources to pay back her debt. He needs to stay far, far away from her.
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May 10th 2008 at 8:21 am EDT
If you have given donations and would like an Obama Campaign Cookbook, you can go to this link:
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We need to keep on supporting Obama no matter what. I'm helping now by making up Cookbooks to hand out to people that donate in my area. I'm doing this to help those that don't have computers.
GO OBAMA!!!!!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:44 am EDT
Chicago HQ 312-819-2008
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May 10th 2008 at 10:40 am EDT
This is a media driven story that I don't think we need to concern ourselves with. It is just idle talk amongst the media trying to drum up a story.
First, I haven't read anything directly from this campaign that indicate that Clinton is even considering leaving the race; plus Clinton has raised millions of dollars for the General that she hasn't even touched yet. I believe she can use those funds to pay off her debt.
I also heard one anaylst say that she will have no problem paying off her debt. It is very common for a campaign to carry debt and pay it off as the year continues with fundraisers leading up to the general. The Clinton's are not hurting for money. She is not donating her own personal funds without knowing how she is going to be reimbursed.
I think we are really getting worked up over nothing!
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May 10th 2008 at 11:28 am EDT
I agree, this is media driven. We need to focus on the task at hand and not get work up by the pundit's speculations.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT
Art Levine in HuffPo answers this question regarding HRC's claim of what is neede to win in Nov.
Yet Obama doesn't need a majority of blue-collar white voters to win the general election, and he's unlikely to win them all over. All he needs is enough whites in his coalition of liberals,concerned middle-class people worried about the economy, some fed-up blue-collar workers, enthusiasic young people and college students, and the 90%-plus of African-Americans to piece together a winning coalition. Indeed, he's competitive or ahead in several of the states that Hillary says that only she can win, including Ohio and Pennsyvlania. In fact, it's worth remembering that no Democratic presidential candidate since LBJ has won a majority of white voters. The search for these blue-collar "Reagan Democrats" to stay
with the Democrats may be as elusive as the search for the "NASCAR Dads" before the 2004 election, who had previously voted less than 30% for Democrats. As an ABC pollster observed before that Kerry vs. Bush election:
When we run data from our recent polls we find that married, middle- and lower-income white men account for a single-digit share of the national population, and support President Bush in precisely the same proportion as all white men. (Make it rural white men, and it goes down to low single digits.) And white men, particularly Southern white men, are a solidly Republican group, highly unlikely to swing anywhere, anyhow.
For good measure, we checked rural, suburban or small city married white men with children and incomes under $50,000 in the 2000 exit poll. They accounted for 2 percent of all voters, and supported Bush over Gore by 70 percent to 27 percent. You really want to call this a swing voter group? ...
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May 10th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT
Why not Al Gore? He has experience. He already did it! He won the popular vote in the general so he would not be a drag on the ticket. And he has southern appeal. He could lead the green movement which is going to be the big economic boom of the 21st century. And that would free Obama up as pres should be to fix our foreign policy. ie Iraq
Why is that not the Dream Ticket!
President Barack Obama and Vice President Al Gore
It just sounds right
Your thoughts?
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Daniel from Los Angeles, CA (I believe in Barack!)
May 10th 2008 at 1:07 am EDT
I agree I like Al Gore. That would be a double whammy with two figures that are comfortable talking to Americans regularly about the issues they are concerned about. I am tired of hermits in the legislative branch, at least with connecting to me.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT
[1] He's not interested
[2] He's a lousy campaigner. Sounds like a lecturing Sunday school teacher. That's why he had such a hard time beating Bush.
[3] He's more useful to the planet doing just what he's been doing
[4] He doesn't get the ticket any votes that they wouldn't be getting without him
-- stan
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Professor of Comparative Literature
May 10th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT
I agree with you. I listened to Gore in person before, and he doesn't have the same charisma he has on TV. But he is a nice guy.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
In your dreams. Al Gore would be nuts to go back to being VP when he has WAY more ability to influence people and work on what he thinks is important as a private citizen.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT
Gov. Richardson, please.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:53 am EDT
He's not interested.
Here's what I think would be best for Obama in the general election...
1) Kathleen Sebelius
2) Bill Richardson
1) Sebelius would unite the HRC supporters who mostly support her because they want to see a woman president and threaten to bolt to McCain if they don't get it. Probably brings Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and Colorado; 31 electoral votes.
2) Richardson would unite Hispanics behind us. Would win Texas, New Mexico and Colorado; 48 electoral votes?
Either would win the general.
1-would build a coalition of African Americans and Women that would overwhelm the GOP.
2-would build a coalition of African Americans and Hispanics that would overwhelm the GOP.
Both could cause a big time red state coup.
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Catherine of Riverdale, IL
May 10th 2008 at 6:38 am EDT
Although Obama will be the president, Al Gore is now like an elder statesman. He may well command more respect that the new kid on the block...president Obama. I think he might not be happy as a VEEP again, but he would be great to confer with.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
EQ POLLs:
1)Should Obama help Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts?
2)Do you like Hillary Clinton to be Obama's running mate?
vote in EQ polls:
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May 10th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
The Clintons don't want to get stuck with a multi-million $$ campaign debt. That's why she's still in this.
Mrs. Clinton had been increasingly relying on Internet donations; the day after she won Pennsylvania, her campaign “reportedly” brought in a record $10 million online. But Hassan Nemazee, one of Mrs. Clinton’s national finance chairmen, put the amount she collected online in the 24 hours after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries at only “$1 million-plus.”
Even more, said Evan Tracey, spokesman for CMAG, the fact that Mr. Obama was able to pump $10 million into media purchases in Pennsylvania in April, even though he did not win that state, forced Mrs. Clinton to spend $5 million, cash she could have used in Indiana and North Carolina.
“Barack Obama had a strategy of almost winning by losing,”
Mr. Tracey said in an interview. “It was a wise use of his resources. Obama spent a lot of money there, even though he wasn’t going to win. But it forced Hillary to spend.”
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May 10th 2008 at 1:18 am EDT
any information about WV
is he going to WV
I want him to compete all and everysingl state.. evenif he losses
Don't you think Obama family
I'm sorry I know nothing about the situation out there... but I didnt hear anything about the next contest..
Hope he will do his best on his tight schedule
Go Mr. President
I can't wait to be there in Jan. 20 2009... see OBAMA walk thru the crowd... of OBAMA FAMILY
WOW!
Can't wait
I feel I'm going to die before that day... can't settle my feeling
GOD Protect us all.. to see that day
LOVE YOU ALL
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WV Obama Mama will be at the Capitol in D.C. for the Inauguration!!!
May 10th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT
He is returning here to West Virginia on Monday. They haven't released details, but I'm sure we should hear something by tomorrow.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:18 am EDT
The only question is will Barack bring any new major endorsements with him on Monday - like Sen. Byrd or Sen. Jim Webb.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT
Oh Sans that food for thought. I never thought about that. Isn't it funny how the word "bitter" was blown out of proportion but yet "obliterate" and "hard working white americans" are just stating the facts. I blame the media also for how some people portray Obama.
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Sue Florida
May 10th 2008 at 7:04 am EDT
Sans...That is what I have been saying for months. I have 3 children.
One 21 year old son...had to register for selective service on his 18th birthday.
One 18 on May 18. Will have to register.
I emailed MSNBC when McCain was on Hardball with this question:
"With the continued war in Iraq, more troops needed in Afganistan, and McCains stance on Iran, where are the servicemen and women coming from?"
He never Chris Matthews never asked that question.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT
I have been listening to CNN and noted comments about Obama helping HRC to pay off her campaign debts...Say it isn't so please. My donations have been minimal compared to some on this thread, but I didn't donate my hard earned $$$ to this campaign to have that money used to pay off Hillary. She chose to stay in the race and attempt to drag Obama down to her level. It didn't work and he is well on his way to the nomination-that isn't why over a million people have donated to this campaign. Please don't do it.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT
yeah, i have to say i'll be upset of obama uses OUR donations to pay off hillary's debt.
i'm sorry, but that's not what i donated for
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May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
I'm sorry I'm just not buying it.. give it a rest~ sheesh
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May 10th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT
Our donations will NOT be used in paying off her debts. It is illegal. If he agrees to help her with her campaign debts (not unusual) it will be thru fundraisers.
Your donations only go to Obama's campaign.
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♥ Tanya ♥
May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
It ain't so.
It's illegal to do so and has been discussed at nauseum on previous threads...
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May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
No worries, it's NOT true!!
READ THIS (updated 5-9-08)
Huffington Post
"Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other methods." (Thomas B. Edsall, Huffington Post)
Please note that the phrase "could provide" as opposed to "should provide" or "must provide" is used.
READ THIS ALSO (please)
Hillary's Debt Will NOT Be Paid By Obama for America Supporter Donations.
It is not legal to do so.
I secured this information personally from campaign HQ in a phone conversation with the Finance Chairman In Chicago at 2:40 P.M. EDT Thursday, May 8th. I was asked to relay this information onto the blog by the Finance Chairman.
DONATE to Obama with Absolute Confidence.
There is no need to worry that your donations to Obama for America will go anywhere else. None of the money you donate to Obama will be diverted to payoff Hillary Clinton's debt.
Kill Any Rumor To The Contrary … and pass this along, please.
A rumor started about this based on some loose comments by Tim Russert. It was followed by a somewhat provocative article on the Huffington Post …
Link
... to the same effect. Many here became worried and said they would stop donating if it was the case that HRC's debt would be paid for by using the money directly donated to Obama for America. It Is Not the Case and it will not happen.
Why did I call HQ about this? I called because many bloggers had/have posted that they will not donate to the Obama campaign if Hillary's debt is paid for by us / Obama for America.
Further, today I personally challenged Huffington Post controller Chris Davis as to their sources. Mr. Davis declined to accept my name or phone number, but did take the Obama HQ's contact information. He made no promises however.
If one reads the above carefully, it is clearly stated that Obama could voluntarily help HRC with a separate fundraising effort to pay off her debt, BUT, no money donated directly to Obama for America could be used. That would be illegal.
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 11:51 am EDT
Go Lace!! :)
There would be absolutely nothing wrong if he asked his supporters to help Hillary once she withdrew; and in the spirit of healing, I'm sure that *some* would.
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m4rk0 Hussein the vegan
May 10th 2008 at 1:13 am EDT
If our campaign bails Clinton out then I will stop contributing to this campaign. I didn't spend countless hours canvassing and phone banking as well as donating hard earned money so that we could pay for Clinton's negative attack ads.
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♥ Tanya ♥
May 10th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT
It is ILLEGAL to use our donations for this.
The MSM is stirring up trouble!
Have we learned NOTHING from their spin over the past few months???
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT
See my post directly above yours ^^
It WILL NOT HAPPEN. That would be ILLEGAL.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:26 am EDT
I wouldn't mind at all. I donated all of that money so Barack could win the Presidency. If paying off Hillary will do this than so be it.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:19 am EDT
We have to chill about all the floaters that the MSM is putting out there. They are trying to get a dialog going and create some drama; they are not reporting on anything that is actually happening or WILL happen.
Many people have posted that it is illegal for Obama to give our/his money to Clinton. HQ has verified that we can continue to contribute, knowing that the money will go ONLY to Obama. If he wants to take his own time to attend a fundraiser for her, or send us e-mails on her behalf (no obligation), that's his choice...and ours not to send her anything. It doesn't seem right for him to "buy her out of the race" and I doubt that is what he wants to do. Still, the media likes to hear itself talk.
As for the whole VP issue, I think Ted Kennedy said it most forcefully, and in our voice: No way, not after the campaign she has run against him. No way, because she doesn't show the same level of leadership and noble aspirations that Obama does.
Asked and (finally) answered, by the good senator from MA. And yet, like Rev. W, it will be asked and asked again, just because the media likes to hear its own voice.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
We all have to remember there are tens of thousands of readers and posters here that may not be frequent. I even have a Blog rant about trolls but I forget that fact. So things may sound redundant but we also have to remember that people come ask us these questions, that may appear to be over and over to us, but actually its because its the MSM that is spilling this filth.
So I am going to learn to be a more patient replier to questions that appear to be negative trolling.
Everyone be patient here. Just ask yourself, what would Barack Obama do? The answer should be clear, lets be vigilant this entire summer and fall from negativity. If anything it will help reinforce our own faith in Barack by repeating the TRUTH.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT
Please read the excellent explanation up thread. He would never use any of our Obama money. Please go up thread.
Keep HOPE shining.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:26 am EDT
READ THIS (updated 5-9-08)
Huffington Post
“Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other methods." (Thomas B. Edsall, Huffington Post)
Please note that the phrase “could provide” as opposed to “should provide” or “must provide” is used.
READ THIS ALSO (please)
Hillary’s Debt Will NOT Be Paid By Obama for America Supporter Donations.
It is not legal to do so.
I secured this information personally from campaign HQ in a phone conversation with the Finance Chairman In Chicago at 2:40 P.M. EDT Thursday, May 8th. I was asked to relay this information onto the blog by the Finance Chairman.
DONATE to Obama with Absolute Confidence.
There is no need to worry that your donations to Obama for America will go anywhere else. None of the money you donate to Obama will be diverted to payoff Hillary Clinton’s debt.
Kill Any Rumor To The Contrary … and pass this along, please.
A rumor started about this based on some loose comments by Tim Russert. It was followed by a somewhat provocative article on the Huffington Post …
Link
... to the same effect. Many here became worried and said they would stop donating if it was the case that HRC’s debt would be paid for by using the money directly donated to Obama for America. It Is Not the Case and it will not happen.
Why did I call HQ about this? I called because many bloggers had/have posted that they will not donate to the Obama campaign if Hillary’s debt is paid for by us / Obama for America.
Further, today I personally challenged Huffington Post controller Chris Davis as to their sources. Mr. Davis declined to accept my name or phone number, but did take the Obama HQ’s contact information. He made no promises however.
If one reads the above carefully, it is clearly stated that Obama could voluntarily help HRC with a separate fundraising effort to pay off her debt, BUT, no money donated directly to Obama for America could be used. That would be illegal. No one can be forced into paying her debt for her.
James
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May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
Respectfully, I do not see what is unclear about this.
HQ 312-819-2008
I worked very hard to research this. It took quite a while.
Anyone here can confirm this as true on their own. Basically, all it takes is a phone call or two.
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Professor of Comparative Literature
May 10th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT
Obama owes an explanation to all of the people who have donated to his campaign-why would he use our money to bail out a loser?
Also, if he considers her for the VP ticket, I guess I won't be voting this fall. That's just too crazy for my taste. They can't convince voters to like that combination--HRC supporters would be equally disgusted with such a turn of events. My opinion of his character will have CHANGED. This part of the political process--all the changing of opinions for political gain--turns me off.
I hope that he will not stoop so low.
He needs to be firm about who he is and his principles if he wants to keep his momentum. I'll vote for him in the fall if he stays consistent and doesn't cave in to what the party says he should do.
There is going to be infighting. He won't be able to please everyone.
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT
He CANNOT USE MONEY DONATED TO OBAMA FOR AMERICA TO PAY FOR HILLARY CLINTON'S DEBTS.
IT IS ILLEGAL.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT
I can't help but think that the people who keep posting this topic are not Barack supporters, but Barack "spoilers", trying to get us to react time and time and time again to the same topic. This is getting OLD!
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Stanley H. Krute
May 10th 2008 at 1:48 am EDT
Professor:
Please do the assigned reading for this class.
E.g., read all the posts from Lace and Obamocrat.
He is NOT going to use money we've donated to the campaign to help HRC. It is ILLEGAL to do so.
He may help her organize separate and clearly stated as such efforts to get rid of her debt.
Please try to shine light, versus throwing heat.
The MSM is pumping this because they are idiots and cowards and don't dare talk about rEAL issues and couldn't do so intelligently anyways.
-- stan
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May 10th 2008 at 2:02 am EDT
Ahhh, a voice of reason ... refreshing indeed!
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Woman over 60, finally old enough for Medicare!
May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
This has been brought up on every post for days, and it brings in about 20 posts every time! I think somebody is just playing games trying to distract us! It works every time.
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Professor of Comparative Literature
May 10th 2008 at 1:53 pm EDT
I understand what you are saying, but I think Obama needs to clear up his intentions. I am not a spoiler, and I donated money to this campaign. I just think even the idea of bailing her out for her campaign debts is preposterous. If that is what it takes, do it. I have always supported Obama, and we shouldn't be condescending to one another. If I were Obama, I'd clear this up by stating he would not bail her out. Anyway, I think she wants him to look like a sexist man thinking she can't handle her own finances. It is another trap by the most cunning candidate, HRC.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:02 am EDT
Exactly,
If Obama lines up with Hillary Clinton, I'm gone.
This woman has been rewarded for the havoc she has created for too many years. Reward her again and watch her bite the hands that feed her.
Obama, offer her a place on your ticket at your own peril.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:27 am EDT
According to Andrea Mitchell's report -- Sen. Obama was asked if he would pay Hillary's debt if he became the nominee. His response, "When you've had a strong opponent you want to make sure you're putting that opponent in a strong position so they can work to win the election in November."
Other reports say he would not use the monies we his supporters have donated to his campaign. Instead he would probably send out emails or letters of appeal to donors on Hillary's behalf. Or he might co-sponsor a fundraising event. Something along that line.
I don't see any need to be unsettled about this. Besides my understanding is that it would be illegal for him to directly contribute toward the payoff of her campaign debts.
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James a Vietnam Vet from NC
May 10th 2008 at 1:32 am EDT
According to Barack it is necessary to talk with your enemies to be able to resolve conflicts. Hillary Clinton has played by the book of 'old politics'. She has a large base of support that is needed to bring this country together. We must be willing to negotiate and shake hands when this is over.
Barack needs us to sustain the characteristics he demonstrates and end the conflict within and join forces to win over corporate media and corporate control of our government.
We believe in him and his judgement don't we?
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 2:08 am EDT
Mark my words. Remember them.
I have watched Hillary Clinton long enough to know.
Throw your judgement to the wind, Obama, pay for Hillary's debt, and have her join your team at your own peril.
The following is the lead in to the Huffington Post article:
By: Thomas B. Edsall
Huffington Post - On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in recent months.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
Seriously, are we gonna fight about this twenty times in one post on every blog from now until the convention? HQ has told us that this is a rumor started by the media. He will NOT use our donations to pay off her debts. He can't. It's illegal. Come one everyone. Give him a little bit more credit than that.
What he can do, if he so chooses, is start a fundraiser for her to help pay those debts. He hasn't come out and said that he will do that. But if he decides to hold a few fundraisers for her separate from his campaign, what is the big deal? They all do it. It would have nothing to do with our donations to him. Our donations are SAFE. He knows what he is doing. Trust him.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:04 am EDT
Sara, agreed. TRUST him.
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Just another ObamaCanadian...
May 10th 2008 at 10:50 am EDT
Trust his judgement...
His integrity is unmatched in this campaign by any other candidate in my lifetime... HRC has done many unconscionable things during this campaign but developing a hate for her will not put BHO in the Whitehouse... He's looking to unite the Democratic Party to win in the fall... and there are people who right now would rather spew vitriol and consider to not vote for him because he may suggest something you may not like... I often remember his words
"We can disagree without being disagreeable."
This man of principle has stuck to his regardless of the challenge... Trust his judgement...
As others have suggested
he cannot pay her debts with your campaign money....
But he will
encourage us to pay off her debts if it will make it easier for her to fight with him in the fall.
Regarding the VP slot I don't think that's his first choice whatsoever, but we should not rule anything out if the goal is President Obama.
Trust his judgement!
Leadership. Integrity. Humanity. Hope. Yes We Can.
Obama'08 - Obama'12
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May 10th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT
According to www.kval.com, 8,000 people showed up for Obama's rally tonight in Eugene, OR.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
It was a great event. I was only 10 feet away from the stage. My wife and I got to shake Obama's hand. :)
Go Obama 08
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May 10th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
I am not a troll! I am a long-time poster. Just read with an open mind!
I have been contemplating, for a long time, making a YOU + US video for the Clinton fans. Something that says "Let's work together. Let's just UNITE to defeat McCain." I know there is a lot of bitterness, and I thought I could do SOMETHING to bridge the gap.
Yes, I know there is a "We need you" video, which is very touching, but it doesn't hurt to add to the message, right? Right!
So I braved the harsh waters and went to HRC's site to pick up some nice, affectionate YouTube clips of HRC that I could use in my "can't we all just get along" plea.
So help me, when I went over there and saw one particular video, I broke down a little bit. I did. Chelsea, who I really like, did a Youtube "Mother's day" thingie for her mom. It made me a little weepy. I lost my mom 2 years ago (I am 33. She was 57) and I thought it was very thoughtful.
I won't link to it, but you can find it if you want.
I will try to incorporate this into my little project. Maybe Chelsea will be the first female president, who knows! I think she's a swell gal.
Go Chelsea.
2020? Maybe?
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT
I saw that video. It was actually a pretty good clip. I don't think I'd go so far as Chelsea 2020... but give it time, and ya never know!
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Dan (The anti-troll, a.k.a A thirty-year old who ocasionally looses his bearing so age is obviously not a factor...)
May 10th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT
You mean she actually went and did something without being told to by the Campaign; or that was vetted by the Campaign? Oh My Gosh! I remember when she was interviewed by the press while touring the gay bars on the campaign trail in Philly and she commented that she was always told what to do and say by the managers of the Hillary campaign. It would be really amazing if you could find Chelsea doing anything off-the-cuff...something that wasn't totally strategically planned. If it is actually authentic...when it is time to try and bring us all together...why not use it?
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Leo
May 10th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT
No more Clintons, please! There are many aspiring women moving up the ranks as we speak. We do not have to choose another Clinton. I'm sure she has other desires.
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Katherine from Idaho
May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
This isn't about the Clinton's, as you'd asked. Rather it's about Mother's Day. You'd mentioned recently losing your mom...
For anyone who'd like to spread around a heartfelt Mother's Day tribute, here's a lovely one to e-mail to all the mothers you know:
Link
Entitled "Obama's Tribute to His Mother," this link features a YouTube video with photos and Barack's voice reading from his first book. It's 2 minutes long. Very moving.
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Beth who wants to be in the middle of a Maddow-Olbermann sandwich in Sacramento, CA
May 10th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT
Also a wonderful clip, thank you Katherine from Boise :-)
Happy early Mother's day everyone
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Janise from Maryland says YES WE CAN!
May 10th 2008 at 8:14 am EDT
Thank you Beth!
I second that! Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers in the family!
I got my first card in the mail :-)
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I.believe "ready to work hard to get Barry elected"
May 10th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT
I saw the video as well and I thought it was very nicely done. It touched me, as well.
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MullerOhana: YES WE CAN, bitch.
May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
I think the "unity" video might have to wait until we get the knife out of Hillary's hand.
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 10:02 am EDT
Forget it.
Politics is tough.
Hillary Clinton regularly uses sympathy tactics, including her daughter (remember lie about Chelsea jogging round the twin towers when they were hit).
She is using her again now, attaching her name to an e-mail (I get all their e-mails)begging form money for her mom.
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Dan (The anti-troll, a.k.a A thirty-year old who ocasionally looses his bearing so age is obviously not a factor...)
May 10th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
WOuld someone please tell me how to change the way my name appears?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT
click on 'write a comment on this page'. Top line will show your name with a link that says 'click to change'
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May 10th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT
yeppers, go to your dashboard and then top left corner to 'edit profile' should do it~
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May 10th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
Hey All,
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Picture #4 sums it up for the Clinton Bunch
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May 10th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT
Hahahahaha That's great!
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Jayzee
May 10th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT
Thanks for the Pictures- they do sum it all up. On the same website I also saw how Bill went off in WV with someone who challenged HRC's health policies.
He is stressed to the max. I didn't know how to create a link - but clicking on yours takes you to the page.
Nite owl Jayzee- happy as a lark that we've got 9 SD's
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Cathy from CA
May 10th 2008 at 2:29 am EDT
Jayzee, here's the link you're talking about.
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Cathy from CA
May 10th 2008 at 2:29 am EDT
Jayzee, here's the link you're talking about.
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Staci
May 10th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT
Can you make it to Fargo tomorrow morning (this morning) at 10:00? That's where the ND voter registration drive is going on.
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Larry-NorthDakota; A Proud Obamacan!!!!
May 10th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT
You do not register to vote here in North Dakota...you just show up to vote. I think we are the only state that does not require one to register.
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT
Oh hey Staci- I just saw your post!! No I wish I could come to Fargo.. I'm way over here- NW corner in Williston.. I am going to talk to our local Dem Chair tomorrow and see what we can get going on in this town.. I realize we don't register people - but for sure we need to get some folks thinking about going Democratic this year.. cause we are teeming with diehard repubs here. What are you guys going to be doing in Fargo ??
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Timothy from NYC
May 10th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT
everyone calm down about BO payin off Hillary's debt. The way that would work would be if she withdrew from the race and committed to fully backing party unity, BO would help her to raise money to pay off her debts through totally separate fund raising drives...The money that we donate to our campaign here cannot even legally be used to contribute to another candidate. It's all good. When HRC finally gives up, we should agree to contribute to helping her clean up the mess she got herself into in exchange for her total support for Senator Obama and our campaign to turn the page on Washington politics as usual. Yes, even HRC is welcolme to join us in restoring democracy to America. But the bottom line is this: Stop worrying about any money from our contributions here going to pay off Mark Penn and his slanderous evilness. It's not happening.
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m4rk0 Hussein the vegan
May 10th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT
I'll pass on that offer. I'm tired of old Washington.
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BonForObama
May 10th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT
I refuse to help pay off a millionaire's debts.
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BonForObama
May 10th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT
Perhaps she should ask Peter Paul for a loan. lololololoolol
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Professor of Comparative Literature
May 10th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT
I don't care about Hill's debt. She can go you know where. Hey, I am sure all of us have a credit card debt but no one I know is helping us pay for it. You have to pay for the mess you make. Don't leave the dirty dishes on the dining room table and expect someone else to do the dirty work of picking them up and cleaning them.
The Democratic Party is starting to look like the Communist Party with all of its absurd rules and regulations.
I'll support senator Obama, but I am an Independent and for all I care, I'll vote for anyone, Republican or Democrat, who represents the voice of the American people for change.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:18 am EDT
Tomorrow I will be registering voters in Kitsap County, Washington (near Seattle).
Next week I will be at our 1st Congressional District Caucus to elect our delegates for Denver!
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT
Try McCain's blog! Based on some of the garbage I saw over there, I'm thinking it just might not be moderated....
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT
go to his site?
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Shel
May 10th 2008 at 1:32 am EDT
isn't it past his supporter's bed-time?
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT
also 'red state'
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May 10th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT
tomorrow it begins...the restoration of democracy to America...we are the change we've been waiting for...
We love you Barack
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May 10th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT
Why not Al Gore? He has experience. He already did it! He won the popular vote in the general so he would not be a drag on the ticket. And he has southern appeal. He could lead the green movement which is going to be the big economic boom of the 21st century. And that would free Obama up as pres should be to fix our foreign policy. ie Iraq
Why is that not the Dream Ticket!
President Barack Obama and Vice President Al Gore
It just sounds right
Your thoughts?
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HHH Hussein (Harmony, Happiness, Hope)
May 10th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT
Would be a lot easier to see if he had endorsed
Obama. Where does he stand? Why hasn't he
endoresed our guy. Shouldn't we consider someone
who had the guts to endorse our guy early on, like
Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, John Kerry??
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Professor of Comparative Literature
May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
I can't stand Al Gore. He looks great when you think of all of the stuff he wrote and the movies he made, but the guy has little to no charisma and absolutely no backbone. He wouldn't accept the position because he has retired from politics. As you see, he has stood on the sidelines and hasn't even endorsed Obama after Hillary made the obnoxious suggestion that Obama would lose the GE like Al Gore and Kerry did. I listened to Al Gore speak, and it was far from uplifting. After hearing Obama speak, I was very uplifted. I hope he goes to West Virginia and Kentucky soon because I don't think he should ignore those voters. Hillary is going to say that he is unelectable if she wins WV and Kentucky by 40 points. If she wins by such a margin, she could pick up a lot of superdelegates because they'll think Obama has a rural blue collar voter problem. I am not a troll--please don't condemn these remarks. I am just saying that instead of trying to be a gentleman and suggesting to pay off Hillary's debts, Obama should be campaigning hard in West Virginia and Kentucky. That's my opinion. Anyway, I think she wanted Obama to be in that position--so it could make him look like a sexist trying to be polite but acting as though she weren't independent enough to pay her own way with her 100 million plus fortune.
I am just trying to be realistic--he desperately needs to go to WV and none of us should take the fact that he is winning for granted. Hillary is going to try to slam him if she wins WV and Kentucky. She's not to be trusted. We should be calling WV instead of discussing who is going to be VP prematurely.
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Maria from Africa
May 10th 2008 at 1:56 am EDT
I agree, I watched Al Gore in a recent interview and I was reminded what was the little nudging thing about him for me. He was not inspiring, he was stiff and looked uncomfortable. I just don't think he should be VP again after 8 years of being VP under Clinton.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:00 am EDT
We have been calling and campaigning in WV, but 2am is not a good time to be knocking on doors or making phone calls in this time zone.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT
This afternoon a young man stated why he thought Sen. Obama was a leader and not a politician; he stated that leaders tell people what they need to hear not what they want to hear like the politician. Supposedly, this was what Sen. Obama's supporters have been saying all along. So why not show that respect now? In addition to having warned all that you will not always agree with him, he stated that he will act as needed not as what is popular or easy. Therefore, he will make the choice necessary in this case because he is the one forced to look at the "big picture."
Also, how is it that you can support a candidate that states he is willing to talk to the U.S.'s enemies yet can support him on this if he so decides to help Sen. Clinton with fundraising? You are saying the exact type things his opponents say about him concerning talks with our nation's enemies. So, perhaps some need to re-evaluate their support for Sen. Obama on several fronts besides what he decides to do with Sen. Clinton. If you can't handle him reaching out to her, how can you handle him reaching out to some of these other countries' leaders? He needs supporters who are looking for a leader, not supporters who are looking for someone to do their bidding. Perhaps, people need to decide how much they really want a leader such as Sen. Obama is or if they really do indeed just want another politician pandering to his supporters and base. It would do Sen. Obama and this country well if you would decide such now.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
I love you guys, you're just so darn sensible when you come over here. Senator Clinton is still in this race from what she's saying. So she can handle her bills. When, if BO considers doing that, I'm sure we will get to decide where OUR bucks go. She is not his enemy (except in her mind, oh and apparently some of her more rabid supporters.) She is a fellow Democrat, he has actually never lost sight of that. Now as to foreign leaders, again- good news here- he WILL have foreign policy advisors, along with a relatively brilliant brain of his own.. which will give him the quality input necessary to decide how to communicate with leaders of other countries... unlike our current prez who is zero in the art of diplomacy and or common sense. and frankly I'm far too grouchy to play your game at the moment. good luck
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May 10th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT
What game are you talking about people are playing?
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HHH Hussein (Harmony, Happiness, Hope)
May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
Camgin--
Many of us are very supportive of Obama. But,
on the issue of paying off Hillary's debts, many
of us cannot support that idea. Here's why!
When you donate hard-earned money to a political
campaign, you expect the campaign to use those
funds for the needs of the campaign. That does
not include the needs of someone else's campaign.
If we'd wanted to contribute to Hillary's campaign
we could have gone to HillaryClinton.com. Think
of this way. When we donate money to Obama, it
for all intents and purposes, establishes a
contract between us and him. If he chooses to
introduce a third party, like Hillary, into the
equation, then he needs to come back to us and
justify why the contract is being "expanded"
beyond the original terms. Bottom line: he can
reach out to her and be nice and extend an olive
branch of love and respect, etc. etc. Just don't
use my money to it!! And, BTW, I MAXED OUT!!
So, I could have used my $2300 for my family and
our needs if I had none Obama was going to give it
to Hillary. Does this make any sense????
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May 10th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
Chill.
This whole ``issue`` (and I use that term loosely!!) is because of the fantasizing of some idiot pundit by the name of Russert.
The money donated to the Obama must be used for the Obama campaign - first, for the primary to the extent eligible; then for the general.
If Barack helps HRC with her debts it will be by way of fundraisers for HER campaign, not the diversion of his campaign funds. Not only is that the law but I have no doubt that the campaign would insist upon that even if it were not the law.
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May 10th 2008 at 10:33 am EDT
I really don't think we should be getting worked up about the Obama Campaign paying for Clinton's debt. This is just some made in story that is being driven by the media.
As it has been stated, Clinton is not so worried about her debt. She will have fundraisers now and throughout the fall that will pay her debt. Campaigns carry debt all the time and they get paid off.
You must also realize that Clinton has plenty of funds that she raised for the General. I beleive she can can use those funds to pay off her debt once she is out of the race.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
I still think that it is her debt, not his. Obama didn't say he was going to pay the bills for Cuba, Iran, or North Korea. He said he would engage in polite discussion. There's a difference. Also, while HRC is a fellow Democrat, she hasn't been the most congenial person with regard to senator Obama. I admire him for making this gesture, but also, I don't think he should do that with our money. Also, it links him to her campaign and makes it seem like he is doing what is politically expedient.
In any case, I think all of this is hearsay, and he is not going to try to bail her out.
They should never run together on any DREAM ticket. Trust me, the race between these two candidates has been very heated, and I think it would not be a healthy relationship.
In any case, I think the Democratic Party will fall apart soon.
I hope that senator Obama will make it. Maybe the Democratic Party should split into two parties--could that be a solution?
Then we would have a real three party system!
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amoon
May 10th 2008 at 10:55 am EDT
Gd morning all,i luv you all,remember the people who vote for her are hardworking white americans?meaning for BO its lazy white americans and african americans,how can we pay for her debt,if it was a hospital bill i would do it with a heart beat,but for money she used to dig Obama,s grave NO WAY,i will never forgive her for what she did in this campaign and the silly 3am calls to win,count me out.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT
West Virginia leaders endorsing Obama
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please stop by my 'Women in WV for Obama' group. everyone is welcome to join. thanks to everyone for the wonderful comments that i have seen posted to us here in West Virginia. we're doing everything we can to get the win here on tuesday.
much love to all my Obama family members here. have a good night.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:26 am EDT
except that I'll bet this cop is an Obama supporter. Guaranteed to make your day:
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May 10th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT
awwww....That is so cuuuuuuuuuute!
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Shel
May 10th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT
at first I thought this was a sick joke, what with the description of the video and then an ad for a grill.
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I.believe "ready to work hard to get Barry elected"
May 10th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT
That was really sweet of that officer to do that.
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Shel
May 10th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT
a good man, that officer.
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Sharon~Independent for Obama
May 10th 2008 at 5:37 am EDT
That is just the sweetest thing ever! My eyes are welling up. I love that cop!
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 1:28 am EDT
Oh yeah, and we could ALWAYS use some backup here:
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
Fight the good fight brother!! onward~
Voter Registration Kick-off May 10 |
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May 10th 2008 at 1:26 am EDT
Obama Big Voter Registration Drive
Looking to the “general election,” the Obama campaign will launch “a 50-State voter registration drive” that will “kick off” today, May 10.
“VOTE FOR CHANGE” was described by Obama Deputy Campaign manager—Steve Hilderbrand—as an effort to drive up voter turn-out in November for all Democratic candidates.
Our campaign has already successfully helped to register:
230,000 new voters in Pennsylvania
165,000 new voters in North Carolina; and
150,000 new voters in Indiana;
and over 1 Million new voters in the past 7 primaries.
Good luck today!!
Pro clinton site bad for her |
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May 10th 2008 at 1:26 am EDT
Hello all, went to that hillaryis44 and read the article regarding Michigan and Florida. The article makes the argument for Barack why the vote should not count. However, they believe the article is negative regarding the Michigan agreement being floated by the Michigan Dem party.
These people are making her argument hard. Especially with the attack email they sent out to the super Ds.
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Shel
May 10th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT
This morning I heard that there was a proposal to seat the Michigan delegates giving a 10-delegate lead to Clinton. This is 8 or so less than she originally wanted.
The report was she turned it down.
Now, if you're primary goal was to seat the delegates so all everyone's vote would count, wouldn't you take this offer??
...or is the real objective to get the lion's share of the delegates?
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Actionmac
May 10th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT
she wants the votes to count for her... her greed will net her a "0" delegates and votes. Also she is quickly about to lose her supporters as they see that it not about them but all about her.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:28 am EDT
Alright. I've had it.
I've seen the posts: "boycott ABC", "boycott CNN", "boycott Chris Matthews", "boycott Fox" (that one actually makes sense), "boycott the MSM in general", and "boycott all their sponsors". I got so sick of it that I posted a comment "boycott the boycotts" and it wasn't well received.
But boycotting our own candidate?? C'mon.
Over the last few days I've been reading posts all over these pages from people who are recommending that we withhold future donations to this campaign because of "reports" that Sen. Obama MAY BE considering working with HRC to raise the funds to pay off her campaign debts (after she drops out). HELP BAIL OUT HIS FORMER OPPONENT??? Dear Lord, what kind of evil man are we supporting??? (snark)
It's been posted over and over and over and over again that he CANNOT transfer his existing funds to her campaign. The money you've donated to HIM is safe. She can't touch it. Relax.
What he CAN do is work with her and her support base to raise the funds to help her out. It's not unprecidented. If you don't want to contribute, fine. Don't. But don't pull this "I'm not donating another $$ to this campaign if he's going to..."
If he does decide to do this, what do you think her supporters will be thinking? I know if the tables were turned, I'd be looking at the presumptive nominee in a whole new light. I'd certainly be more inclined to vote for them.
That being said, these threats of withholding money because he doesn't do something we don't agree with (or more likely understand just yet) is not helping anybody. Actually following through on those threats seriously jeopardizes this campaign. Let's show some faith in our candidate and support his decisions. I think you have to agree that he's done pretty well so far.
There. I feel much better now.
So can we now focus opening a can of whoop-ass on Sen. McCain?
This rant goes for the threats of withholding votes depending on his choice of VP as well.
So go ahead. Tear me a new one.
Speaking of McCain, who found it creepy that Lieberman said he "personally checked his bearings" and found them fine. I'm going to have to get pretty drunk to get that image out of my head. Ew.
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Michelle in Memphis
May 10th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT
Shel, you're right on target. I agree with your 100 percent.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:41 am EDT
I'm not a troll. I'm a true Obama supporter but Obama has to continue showing that he's strong. Although, it sounds great that he's helping her fundraise, it's weak. I understand that he won't use our money but he will use his name to pay off her debt. If he does this, he's taking the easy road.
We're seating the delegate counts for MI and FL, as is so that Hillary can be happy. Super delegates are holding back endorsing Obama so that Hillary can be happy. I understand this rationale. Now, there is this rumor that he might help her fundraise. I'm pissed about that. Obama was not the only one who endured four months of Hillary bashing. I am serious that financially I can't support a candidate who would even help her fundraise. He's offering his good name to clean up her mess. He's offering his good name to help pay off dirty lobbyist like Mark Penn. I don't hate Hillary but I hate how the Democratic party makes excuses for her and bails her out everytime she is in trouble.
The reason why I am speaking out against this is because I know how betrayed I would feel if he used his good name to help raise money for debts to lobbyist. I hope he will not do this. I hope he will just stay on track, and leave her to her own mess. We have six months. Within six months allof those Hillary supporters will be back. He doesn't have to help Hillary Clinton out to get her supporters. I'm not trying to control the campaign or tell Obama what to do. But I do feel strongly about this issue.
Please Obama, don't do this. I think it's unethical and not apart of your character. Please trust that you don't need her to get her supporters. The pundits are wrong.
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Sara G
May 10th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT
Shel, I am glad you decided to repost this. Like I said on the other blog: THANK YOU!!!!! I totally agree with pretty much everything you just said. Thanks for posting.
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Larry-NorthDakota; A Proud Obamacan!!!!
May 10th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT
Unfortunately others will continue this crap...some just don't want to listen that it ain't going to happen!!!!!
I for one will continue to donate until Barack wins the election in November!!!!!
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT
yeah baby!!! talk to 'em~
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May 10th 2008 at 1:36 am EDT
Hilarious! Thanks!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
Shel, thanks for posting. I too find it irritating (at best) that folks threaten to boycott and withold money unless the campaign does whatever they think it should do. Surely this nomination process proves that HQ knows what it is doing. As for McCain and Lieberman--that is too funny. Would someone please pass them the gerital?
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I.believe "ready to work hard to get Barry elected"
May 10th 2008 at 1:44 am EDT
I agree with you. People need to calm down. He can't pay off her debt. He can ask his supporters/bundlers to help make a donation.
Personally, if Obama asked for 5 towards HRC as part of getting her outta teh race and working hard to unite our party, I would send 50.
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The McCain/Lieberman thing was uncomfortable. I thought is this really appropriate for daytime TV. My god man keep your bearings check ups to yourself. Yeesh.
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Shel
May 10th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT
It just proved to me (as if I needed MORE proof) that these guys are so out of touch with normal folk.
You don't have to be 25 to get the unintended sexual reference. Hell, I'm 44 and about fell off the couch laughing when I heard it.
... and I wasn't laughing for the reason Sen. Lieberman thought I should.
I knew they were close, but GEEZZZ.
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I.believe "ready to work hard to get Barry elected"
May 10th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT
Immediately after he said it he looked like he regretted saying it.
Man, the jokes are dancing in my head.
Like...
with friends like these who needs a proctologist!
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Len Larsen
May 10th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT
With the negativity that has been generated over the last several weeks, we need all the positive things we can have between Sen. Obama supporters and Sen. Hillary supporters.
It will be extremely difficult, if not impossible for Sen. Clinton to catch up.
If I were asked to contribute to help Sen. Clinton with their campaign to further the good will between the supporters, I would be tempted.
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Safe and Happy Holidays to All... "Yes We Can - Yes We Did"
May 10th 2008 at 1:28 am EDT
I quit my job last week (12 days ago) to devote 100% OF MY TIME TO GET BARACK OBAMA ELECTED...Trust me, one does not make a lot of money whilst working here in SD...but no matter. BHO Presidency is mas important to me!
PS: If U donate the airline miles I'll go any where and work for BHO!!!!!!
Help Empower Senator Obama to "Change" our Country and restore our International image throughout the World! My Fund Raising Page:
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My other personal goal is to have at least 2 or more friends from all States and Countries from our BHO blog family... I ask this in friendship and unity for all.
"YES WE CAN - SI SE PUEDE"
Rob
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Eileen in Maine
May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
Bring South Dakota home for us on June 3rd.
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Nevaldo
May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
as for has i am concern hillary is talking to herself. there is one thing for sure if the dnc take obama's nomination away they will not and i repeat will not win the ge. it's time to start on mcsame and leave the sore losers alone.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
Overrrrrr!
MATCHING DONATIONS |
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Eileen in Maine
May 10th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT
I must leave this fine party. I have had my Autumn Wheat Beer with orange slices (tastes like a creamsicle).
I will leave you with my fundraising link. I love to wake up in the morning and rush to see how many new donations I have. I know some of you nightowls like to keep yourselves entertained.
Show Obama some love for all the hard work he has done getting the Superdellies to come over to our side.
Here is a link to my fundraising page.
Can you help me reach my goal?
I have convinced my husband to match my $1,000 goal if I am able to meet it. He doesn't think we will be able to, but I know we are all a bunch of hopemongers.
So get your contribution counted double when you donate on my F.R. Page.
Thank You. Any and all amounts appreciated.
p.s. yes, I have worked hard for our guy today, including calling W.V.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:44 am EDT
Someone suggested earlier that people who are maxed out on their contributions could donate in honor of Obama to their favorite not-for-profit. I would like to suggest one. A dear friend of mine is in dire need of a liver transplant, but her insurance is inadequate. We have heard a lot during the campaign about those who are uninsured, but there are also people who have insurance that does not begin to cover their medical expenses. My friend, Beth Kasulaitis, is trying to get on the transplant list for surgery at Piedmont Hosp. in Atlanta, Ga, but the hospital says they will not put her on the list until she pays them $100,000 over and above the $100,000 or so that her insurance (Blue Cross- Blue Shield) will pay. She does not have that kind of money. And get this. There is a $2 million lifetime cap on her policy, so Blue Cross-Blue Shield COULD move some benefit money forward into this year from that total amount. They refuse, however, explaining that they don't want to leave Beth without adequate insurance for the future should the transplant be a success. Of course, if she doesn't get the transplant, there is no need to worry about coverage for the future because there will be no future.
So, if you are maxed out and would like to make a donation to a worthy cause, please consider donating to my friend's liver fund. Checks can be made to :
Bart Searcy, Admin. for Elizabeth Kasulaitus
put account 6351033 on the memo line
Mail to
United Bank
P.O. Box 628
Griffin, GA 30224
You can call the bank at 770-412-7211 to make sure this is legit if you like.
It is a shame that hospitals and insurance companies are able to treat someone this way. Plenty of people go to the hospital every day for expensive, life-threatening surgeries, and I've never heard of anyone being required to put up $100,000 before.
Thank you for any help you can give. Even a dollar puts Beth that much closer to a transplant.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:50 am EDT
I believe the terms of service for this blog are no requests for personal donations.
You can read the TOS at the bottom of this blog, to check for yourself.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
This is taken verbatim from the front page of the Rasmussen Reports polling website.
"Rasmussen Reports has been tracking the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination daily for nineteen months… since November 2006. For the last few months, the most remarkable feature of the race has been its consistency and stability. Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both running historic campaigns and both have captured the votes and hearts of distinct and important constituencies within the Democratic Party. Obama has won Primaries in states where the demographics favor his campaign and Clinton has won in the states that favor her campaign. However, while Senator Clinton has remained close and competitive in every meaningful measure, she is a close second and the race is over. It has become clear that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.
At the moment, Senator Clinton’s team is busily trying to convince Superdelegates and pundits that she is more electable than Barack Obama. For reasons discussed in a separate article, it doesn’t matter. Even if every single Superdelegate was convinced that the former First Lady is somewhat more electable than Obama, that is not enough of a reason to deny him the nomination.
With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Barring something totally unforeseen, that is the choice American voters will have before them in November. While we have not firmly decided upon a final day for tracking the Democratic race, it is coming soon."
Here's the link:
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May 10th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT
Isn't that lovely! At the Harkin Steak Fry in July 2006 Barack Obama was the keynote speaker. There were 4,000 people that year and we drove from Elgin,IL to meet our son who lives in Des Moines to catch the speech. By then I had been watching Barack's career for many years and was long convinced that he must be President. That day at the Harkin Steak Fry they sold buttons that said--"Barack Obama for President--Coming Soon!" The intent of the button was that he would announce his candidacy. I wore that button every day for six months until he announced in Springfield, IL January 2007. I think it's time to get out that button again. I like that "coming soon" part. We have a long road and many calls and hotlines ahead, but this will be won.
Keep HOPE shining.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
Lace, Thanks for posting this. I found it on an earlier blog and posted on Hillarys website not sure if they would post it. I went back a couple of hours later just to see and they had! I was glad. I just feel that Hillary is doing her supporters a disservice by letting them feel like there is still a real chance.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT
Kudos for managing to get a post on the HRC moderated blog!!
*clap clap clap*
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May 10th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT
ooh, that's gotta hurt.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:13 am EDT
Haha I second that ;-)
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May 10th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT
Well my response is simply if Obama was able to get the lead then keep it against a well known name and political dynasty then that should be enough for this electibility arguement.. Common sense should tell ya that.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
Very interesting article at HuffPo regarding the issue of helping with Clinton's debt. Some bloggers from here are quoted!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT
Just want to point this out from that article:
"Obama cannot under federal law assume direct responsibility for Clinton's debts because that would amount to an illegal contribution, far above contribution limits.
There are, however, a number of other alternatives. Obama could, for example, send out a solicitation in Clinton's behalf to his own donors and to other donor lists, asking for contributions to be directed to her campaign. He could, in addition, hold a joint fundraiser with the money
split between Clinton and Obama."
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May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
yes lace..thats what I'm talking about here! that amounts to the same thing?? cutting a back room deal with HRC??
I thought we are just better than old style politices??
thats what is FRUSTRATING??
Could this article be a plant?? from HRC's camp ?? to stir up stuff like its doing to distract us again??
Thanks lace.. we wuv you...
peace from the oc
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
Yawn.. i ain't worry about it. Just another clinton tactic. We should all know better by now.
And...
“Hillary’s Debt Will NOT Be Paid By Obama for America.
It is not legal to do so.
I secured this information personally from campaign HQ in a phone conversation with the Finance Chairman In Chicago at 2:40 P.M. EDT today Thursday, May 8th. I was asked to relay this information onto the blog by the Finance Chairman.
DONATE to Obama with Absolute Confidence.
There is no need to worry that your donations to Obama for America will go anywhere else.
None of the money you donate to Obama will be diverted to payoff Hillary Clinton’s debt.
Kill Any Rumor To The Contrary … and pass this along, please.
A rumor started about this based on some loose comments by Tim Russert.
Many here became worried and said they would stop donating if it was the case that HRC’s debt would be paid for by us. It Is Not The Case and it will not happen.
Why did I call HQ about this? I called because many bloggers had/have posted that they will not donate to the Obama campaign if Hillary’s debt is paid for by us / Obama for America.”
Don’t believe him (as trustworthy as he is ;o) ?? Call for yourself: 312-819-2008
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May 10th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT
Good to know. I'll use "too liberal" when the recruiters bang on my door for my daughter. You're right about the draft. I read something about the inevitability of that if we continue on. Wish I could remember the source.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:19 am EDT
One argument for The Draft is that it shares the burden of service to every segment of our society, another that it tends to ensure that war is actually declared by Congress.
I dislike the idea that we have allowed and subsidized private mercenary armies like Blackwater (currently on the ground in Somalia, methinks) whose loyalty may be purchased and partisan.
It is almost impossible to successfully wage war without widespread public support, which requires that people believe that an emergency exists which requires military mobilization and trust our civilian leadership to be truthful about the need for sending our family members to war.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:32 am EDT
Vp choices
If we were to think outside the box. Bi partisan, older, wise, etc....
I keep thinking David Gergen.
Thoughts?
SvK
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May 10th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT
He appears quite respectable and always tries to give balanced opinions on CNN. However, I was disappointed that he strongly defended the lie that Hillary Clinton was against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency. It was only when her schedules were released that the truth emerged. How could he tell such a bold-faced lie in the midst of a competitive campaign to advantage one candidate?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:48 am EDT
By the time the truth came out regarding NAFTA, the damage was done. Typical of the underhanded "low road" tactics by the Clintons and exactly the reason I would never want her as VP.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT
David Gergen is certainly cool. There are several mainstream news pundits who have been fair; however I've written more letters of protest to the media than I have in my life because there has been shameful sensationalism. I majored in communications theory and understand the manipulation of the public mind.
That said, the power still remains with the people. If democracy is to remain a viable institution, WE MUST remain active and engaged and yes, educated. We must keeep our media and our political process in check. VOTE FOR CHANGE tomorrow. Register everyone you know. California is engaged. My section of Los Angeles alone has 700 volunteers showing up in the morning. So good night all, I've got to get to bed. There is work to be done. Keep the spirit. Amen.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:27 am EDT
President Obama & Vice President Rachel Maddow
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May 10th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT
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Just discovered this webpage with Bill Clinton's angry face and wagging finger, and you can chat "live" with "MadDogBill."
It's very entertaining and cathartic.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT
Here is the
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to my blog for this. What inspired it was an earlier response to a person defending themselves over asking yet again about HRC getting the BO campaign to help pay off her debt. Which we all know as a dead-horse fact that its illegal and wont happen. I merely wanted to add perspective to this Blog issue and hope fellow Bloggers take this to consideration:
We all have to remember there are tens of thousands of readers and posters here that may not be frequent. I even have a Blog rant about trolls but I forget that fact. So things may sound redundant but we also have to remember that people come ask us these questions, that may appear to be over and over to us, but actually its because its the MSM that is spilling this filth.
So I am going to learn to be a more patient replier to questions that appear to be negative trolling.
Everyone be patient here. Just ask yourself, what would Barack Obama do? The answer should be clear, lets be vigilant this entire summer and fall from negativity. If anything it will help reinforce our own faith in Barack by repeating the TRUTH.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT
I just came back after taking off from the blogs for a few due to a tussle over my posting that it was absolutely illegal and that I knew someone who's directly talked to HQ and it was against the law regardless....
...and saw that all of my posts were deleted. =o
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May 10th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT
Huh? Someone deleted "Lace" posts?????????
Blasphemy!
Wonder why.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:52 am EDT
LOL....
I probably got a bit cranky with them, I admit, due to having been up for 40 hours straight...DEBUNKING this on the blogs.
As long as I didn't/don't get a warning from HQ, it's all good.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
Do they know something we don't????
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May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
I still see them.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
They didn't delete everything, just some back-and-forth (including the basic initial post) at the top of the second-to-last thread.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:51 am EDT
Lace, did you see the top of this thread??
From troll
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
that ass hat does this on a bi-daily basis >:(
Thankfully, I've got the IGNORE part down LOL...
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May 10th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT
I bet the troll is reporting you!!!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT
Today, now, on this thread, why????
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May 10th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
With all those points you've accumulated, you should have authority over them!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
no they arent lace. I just read through a bunch. maybe you are looking in a new topic you didnt post in.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:00 am EDT
They didn't delete everything, just one comment and all of the child comments. *I figured it out*
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May 10th 2008 at 1:44 am EDT
hi Daniel, Hi Lace Hi Sasa..
I too beleive in BARACK totally 1000%.. now.. i don't understand what/why this ARTICLE was posted in HUFF PO TONITE at 9:41 pm???
Link
Please folks.. someone explain what this is?? I mean weve got our own bloggers "quoted" in the article as saying "better not happen,,etc..etc."
Is this a PLANT by HRC's campaign?? Tell me it is and I'll completely shut up about it...
I had already staked my claim and my word much earlier today that this just was an unfounded hoax started by Russert too!..
And then this aRTICLE appearedz??
Help confused in the Oc
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May 10th 2008 at 1:50 am EDT
Here's all you need to read from that post...
"Obama cannot under federal law assume direct responsibility for Clinton's debts because that would amount to an illegal contribution, far above contribution limits.
There are, however, a number of other alternatives. Obama could, for example, send out a solicitation in Clinton's behalf to his own donors and to other donor lists, asking for contributions to be directed to her campaign. He could, in addition, hold a joint fundraiser with the money
split between Clinton and Obama."
Quite frankly, look at the rest of it as bullsh*t. What you're reading in that quote right above is ALL THAT MATTERS. It's still illegal for us to write her a check and call it a day. All that we can do is help HER fundraise by showing up at a few events and ASKING some of those who've donated to our campaign if they would like to help her out too.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT
hi lace.. thanks.. no i already knew about the campaign limits.. but would barack really consider helping her?? i guess for the good of the party??
Maybe/?
Whats your take/?
I mean shes got 109 million, let her pay her own way?? again they want to take it from the backs of us poor folk?? I mean Barack wouldnt dare ask us to do that??
Peace from the oc.
thanks for the reply
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May 10th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT
Honestly, haha, I have no idea if it would technically be legal for her to pay that loan through her campaign....I have no idea whatsoever, though I would think it would be legal. But you never know in America ;o)
Anyhow, I agree, she can shove her loan AND INTEREST up her *** and pay it herself. However, well, the fundraising thing doesn't really irk me too much. I would imagine that the kind of fundraising we're talking about with this, rest *hopefully* assured, will start at the top (as in, with our top donors, names, and bundlers) and will most likely not end up having to work its way down. We're probably talking about $2,000/head dinners and such, not the typical campaign dinners you see (though there are already these ritzy ones, usually set up by supporters).
[did that make sense? I'm not sure if I explained it right.]
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
Yes, I think we are being set up. I never saw those comments on our blog anyway. And any of our "supporters" who would accuse Barack of going "bonkers" would be labeled a troll and pounced upon.
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Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE!
May 10th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT
Cool.. thanks everyone for settling me down.. i don't generally get riled that dramatically.. but again, i thought i was shooing away Trolls most of the day over this very subject of DONATING money to HRC in any form or fashion??
So. in other words, a completely bs story, a plant, a fake blog, on huff po used to stir us all up?? ya think??
peace from the OC
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
Max hello from up here in LA. I think about OC alot being Southern Californias republican stronghold. When I think about canvassing for the first time I think of your county haha. I'm glad to have you here and aboard asking your concerns! =)
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May 10th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT
It bothered me yesterday on the CNN interview that John McCain brought up the "endorsement" of Barack by Hamas. I wanted to scream out, "The whole world loves and endorses Barack Obama!" I'm so glad for this forum to get my thought out.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT
Ya when I hear that it makes me think... uhh, the way Barack says he will talk to our enemies and if our enemies are responding to it now, that is promising. Obama always reminds us we don't want another 4 more years of failed economic Bush policies. Well I don't want another 4 more years of failed diplomatic policies either!
Its insane. Of course we may hear from American enemies liking the idea of Obama being the president. Maybe we can prevent less American lives being wasted away through war, and more through diplomacy. There is nothing unpatriotic about that.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT
*more saved through diplomacy* I meant to sya
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May 10th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT
Mr. McCain better be more careful what he says. That did him no good. At this rate, we are going to have a field day in the general election.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
Yes -- but Hamas is considered a terrorist organization. To the Jewish community (and many others), that's equivalent to saying "Al Quaeda endorses Obama".
Shame on him.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:52 am EDT
I read somewhere that I think 30% of jews who LIVE in Isreal support talks with Hamas, it may even be higher, can't remember.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:00 am EDT
Shame on who? For Barack receiving an endorsement he has not asked for nor will ever acknowledge? Thats similar but in a different context to saying shame on him for having Farrakhan's endorsement. Must he renounce every single persons endorsement that is disliked? Believe us, if the MSM pushes it like the so often do he has no problem with doing so. Its a moot point though.
Barack Obama just promised recently that he will do whatever he can for the Israel and reminded us of our nations bond to the country. One would just think that having a president the possibilities of offering assistance through treaty speaking between the two countries would be beneficial to saving lives and ending terrorism.
And just mentioning Al Quaeda.... Barack Obama wants us out of Iraq and he wants us focused on fighting Al Quaeda again In Afghanistan/Pakistan. Something we should all remember that our current president Bush is not concerned about, with having us stay in Iraq.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT
I'm sure it was meant shame on McCane for the implication.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:15 am EDT
ya... its late im off to bed i need sleep my vote for change event starts at 9am and its already 11pm. Night folks. Glad to have chatted!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:04 am EDT
My point was not that he should talk to Hamas, and he shares the same position with McCane that he will not until they recognize Israel and denounce terrorism; but they endorsed Barack, he didn't endorse them. My point was really just that the whole world wants Barack, not just Hamas. At least I know in Europe, they really admire him and would love to see him as the next POTUS.
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May 10th 2008 at 9:47 am EDT
I think I saw somewhere that Obama is getting 61% of the Jewish vote. McCain is trying to link him to Hamas to scare people and to make the Jewish Community feel insecure about their support for Obama. It will not work. Obama has opened a dialogue for all people to discuss the greivances. So lets talk. McCain is only inserting his foot everytime he speaks, I say let him talk more, because he is bound to screw it up.
Remember this war hero, who was captured and totured, supports torture; makes me wonder what information McCain gave up while in captivity and why they were willing to let him go. Why would he support torture, is he saying it worked on him. I think he said he stayed until they were willing to let all the captives free.
This man with over twenty years in Washington was not able to see through the Bush Lies and voted for an illegal war. We dont want that in the White House, and I dont like the idea of his wife as First Lady, she does not seem humble enough.
Oh I cannot wait for the general election. I think Obama will eat McCain for breakfast and this contest will be over by lunch.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT
it made be feel much SAFER just knowing that someone in that crowd prefered Barack. I'm not sure why...I trust Barack to inspire in every corner of the world.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT
More politics of fear. NOT THIS TIME, McSame.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT
Yet Ms. Cindy Lou Who McCain boldly professes that her husband won't engage in negative campaign attacks. Yeah, right. This is the game of politics.
Fasten your seatbelts, everybody. It's going to be a bumpy ride toward the finishing line. And regardless of McCain's smears, we will win in the GE.
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May 10th 2008 at 10:45 am EDT
i'm sure there are neonazis and klans people who endorse mccain. he wouldn't want us to play guilt by association with those, now would he?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT
for telling me how to change the way my name appears, Sherrie
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May 10th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT
nice, I like it.
Of course I don't count cause I just from a caucus state and a white middle class female who enjoys latte.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
ty Eileen as well. Wow...it changed how my name appeared on all my earlier posts too.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
Love your new name, Dan! :o)
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May 10th 2008 at 6:32 am EDT
ty Obama08 and Tanya...Saying goodnight. Off to watch a documentary called "Hacking Democracy" on HBO about the infamous Diebolt machines. Gooodnight. Luv you all and gives all of you hugs...
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May 10th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT
Wow. Now I'm in the throes of silly season, but hey, it's the open night thread.
So I know that there was an orchestrated campaign to send letters to superdelegates this morning by an HRC supporter group. There were only three names thrown around, the three most rabid pro-Hillary groups out there: the actual hillary blog, hillaryis44, and the bizarre Taylor Marsh.
I'd wondered who Taylor Marsh was for awhile since she seemed so self-aggrandizing.
She has been such a thorn in the side of this campaign and has had some terrible things to say, really, outlandish things, on her crummy blog which I read when I'm feeling sadistic.
It turns out that she's a former conservative beauty queen who couldn't hack it on Broadway and wound up writing a free advice column in the LA Weekly rag, likely unpaid, as well as spending a year in the pornography industry.
Just thought you might like to know, for those who have heard of her, where her axe to grind might come from, particularly toward men.
Also, as per this document, she's quite a spinstress.
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If you've never heard of her, don't bother wasting your precious time reading it. It's tabloid fodder, but pretty juicy stuff.
Will Hillary Clinton now reject and denounce Taylor Marsh for her work in the seamier industries available to women?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
love it sasa! keep on digging girl your da bomb??
What'd you ever find out about that whole thing on huff po?? I was driving what i thought were trolls away today and here the article is true or a plant or what/??
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thanks
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May 10th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT
Well, there's nothing wrong with that article.
What I read doesn't conflict in any way with what Lace posted. I think it's a genuine article, certainly. I also think Barack intentionally worded himself in his wonderful, veiled, non-commital way, because frankly, right now Senator Clinton is a bit hystrionic and irrational (from what I can tell online and watching her today, as well as Bill).
Barack is saying, maybe we'll help get you out of debt somehow, I have all this money, I can fundraise for you. The expectation there would be for her to campaign for him with her voters and work toward ending the animosity, something I would support wholeheartedly.
But he wouldn't do this with our money.
There are numerous ways he could do this, and that's why he's intentionally vague. There's nothing that's been committed to in any normative grammatical sense in what he stated.
He could host paid events for her, or joint events, or encourage his musician endorsers perhaps to hold benefit concerts. He could seek high-money pay-offs from someone like Mike Bloomsberg or other wealthy donors that he does have in his back pocket.
However, I think it's all just puff right now, to calm her down, because I don't think he'd feel good paying off her debt, because it's really Mark Penn's debt, and Mark Penn helps sell privatized military contracts, Monsanto chemicals and seeds that are dangerous worldwide, and various Oil Companies. Suddenly, Barack could open himself up, in the General, to an attack (even though this is far-fetched) that he HELPED special interest groups and thus THEY are beholden to him. You know how they twist these things.
Barack could also do nothing, since he's committed to nothing. But that could mean Senator Clinton could do nothing to patch up the Party she's destroyed and Barack has to peddle in the General Election.
Remember what Rahm Emmanuel said, at the time cryptic but now rather wise, "How the winner wins depends a lot on how the loser loses."
Hillary is unable to lose. Emotionally AND financially, it stings. Of course, she HAS money, but it's Bill's money, and I believe they have a political marriage only, so he's not going to keep funding her either.
The right answer? To wait for her to calm down, realize she's no longer being tracked by Rasmussen, is losing, and do nothing.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:21 am EDT
EXACTLY.
five-star post.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT
color me flattered, lace!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:25 am EDT
ok sasa... thanks for your feedback.. so you'd say the article is "genuine"?? and that we could very well see barack make an effort to help her out?? in exchange for/?
Thats ths whole point of my and others' questions. I thought were all dead set against this type of SLEEZY politiking??
What in the world am i missing here?
He's not just 'telling her what she wants to hear" is he?? that just makes it worse...
Right/?
Thansk again .. i'm just perplexed by the whole affair.. i really thought it was MSM bs to begin with from RUSSERT and here it is???
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May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
Can't wait for tomorrow! I'll be registering near the University here in Seattle.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
I want to know how I am supposed to get behind a guy who wants to be our Commander in Chief, but won't put his hand over his heart to salute our flag. Is that going to be the new policy if he is voted in?
What's up with that?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT
where did you get that information from?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
It wasn't the salute. It was during the national anthem. Gotta love how things get blown out of proportion, huh?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT
Why was it that everyone around him was saluting but him?
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May 10th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT
Does Obama have eyes on the back of his head? He couldn't see what they were doing. BTW~Do you wear a flag pin that's made in China? Does Hillary? This is one of the silliest questions ever posted here. But at least it gives us a chance to debunk these myths/rumours.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:27 am EDT
Has anyone ever watched that actual video? The National Anthem was so butchered and "R&B'd" up that it was hardly recognizable.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:54 am EDT
THANK YOU!!!! I LOVE YOU, LOVE YOU, LOVE YOU! I have been saying that it was butchered for a while and no one has agreed with me or commented. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big hug and a kiss (on the cheek and very sisterly),
CeCe :-D
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May 10th 2008 at 8:19 am EDT
I know this is late and you likely will never see it, but here goes. Federal Code dictates that one is to put their hand over their heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. It is optional during the singing the National Anthem. You are, however, supposed to face the flag while singing. The flag would be that giant thing behind HRC.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
Who are you talking about?
Because Barack Obama does salute our flag. He goes over that exact tid bit here on my
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Start the youtube video at 20 minutes and hear it for yourself.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT
This is just in case you are in anyway interested in knowing the truth.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
always interested in the truth...
though it seems to get harder to find these days
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May 10th 2008 at 2:00 am EDT
Let's see if someone can help me with this one, because I do really want to know who Barack Obama is. I really do want the truth and why I should get behind him. Oh, and I am asking the same of the other two candidates...
Someone clear this one up for me...
From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the
Muslims should the political winds shift in an
ugly direction."
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May 10th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT
Wish I could answer that one for you C and I appreciate you wanting the truth for all your concerns. I read the book and if you can refer the chapter or page maybe. A snippet from a page reminds me of these Wright soundbytes though. It gets taken out of context, and that is what Im lacking to answer your question. Because that is a very vague sentance to assume the worse out of Obama for it
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May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
Read the book. Senator Obama is a constitutional law expert. If you read the entire passage and not rely on our corrupt media or extremeist you will find out that the reference was in response to a concern that the bush administration might unconstitutionaly began to unfairly target American muslims without cause following 911.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT
Jimmie - That's exactly right!
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May 10th 2008 at 3:37 am EDT
Yeah, he actually never used the word muslims. He had a meeting as a State Senator with Arab American and Pakistani American constiuents who were concerned about the backlash against them because of their race and assured them that he would stand with them. Later he wrote about the meeting in his book "The Audacity of Hope".
pg. 261
“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly: they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during WWII, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
It is clear that Senator Obama did not use the term “Muslims,” anywhere in the paragraph. He was referring to American Arabs and Pakistanis, in general, thousands of whom have resided in this country for decades. Some have fought and defended this country in uniform. Some may be Muslim, some may be Christian. Another right wing Hannity McClinton Limbaugh smear campaign.
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May 10th 2008 at 8:35 am EDT
All innocent people deserve life, liberty and freedom from the harms intentionally brought upon by our government for it's own greed.
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Let's see if someone can help me with this one, because I do really want to know who Barack Obama is. I really do want the truth and why I should get behind him. Oh, and I am asking the same of the other two candidates...
Someone clear this one up for me...
From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the
Muslims should the political winds shift in an
ugly direction."
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May 10th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT
I beleive the quote is from his first book, Dreams from My Father. I don't remember exactly what it was refering to, but it likely had to do with a specific incident politically or an issue of discrimination. remember not all muslims are out to get us, and the book was written before 9/11 and before Al Queda formed. Also, Obama is not a muslim so ignore those rumors as well. Obama has promised to keep us safe from those who might attack us.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:16 am EDT
Pg 261 "The Audacity of Hope" and he never said muslims he was refering to Arab Americans and Pakistani Americans and his point was that we should'nt repeat the mistakes made with Japanese Americans during WWII and that he would "stand with them should the political winds change".
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May 10th 2008 at 2:15 am EDT
Yeah what page.. and then I'll get out my copy of that book and we'll check out the context.. Page number please?
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May 10th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT
Are you just here to get people excited and irritated or are you truly here to learn about Senator Obama? He is a fine decent human being! He is very patriotic - you think he is running for the President of the United States for the fun of it? I mean seriously - the guy has two beautiful daughters, a wife, sister, brother, mother in law that love him very much and has very avid supporters - I am a white 49 year old mother, grandmother, wife, daughter, and huge Obama supporter - He tells the TRUTH! Has integrity, is compassionate, listens to voters, care deeply about the USA and me and my family and you and your family... Why would someone want to be away from their family and not be a patriotic person and put themselves through the scrutiny that a candidate has to go through if they were not patriotic - besides he was a Illinois state senator for eight years and is now a United States Senator from Illinois, in the US senate - He has taught constitutional law at the University of Chicageo, was the first African American president of Harvard law... A devout Christian... Had a white mother, his father left the family when he was two years old... He is a great person! Give the guy a chance and read up on him... He would welcome you and your family to his campaign... So welcome, and read about his issues.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:30 am EDT
I too stand with the Muslims when their constitutional protections are stripped away because of irrational fears.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:32 am EDT
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Obama make the Pledge of Allegience mandatory in all Illinois public schools?
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May 10th 2008 at 2:56 am EDT
He's much more than that...
Top Foreign Advisor to Nixon, Carter, Bush1, Reagan AND Clinton....
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May 10th 2008 at 1:44 am EDT
OK so I was just laying down with my daughter and this thought came to me and I am very curious what will happen.
When Barack wins the general and becomes the next POTUS how will his Senate seat be filled??
Since he is my senator I am wondering if we will have a special election and when that might be held.
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Syd *** Exotique est magnifique***
May 10th 2008 at 1:48 am EDT
How about " James Obamacrat " ?LOL
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Rhonda in IL
May 10th 2008 at 2:00 am EDT
I could certainly get on that train!!!
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
No No No ... but the answer is the governor (a democrat) will name his replacement. Call him and apply:):):)
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May 10th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT
Oh no!!!! Not crazy Rod!!! Of course maybe we can get that recall thing going first!!!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT
I've noticed that we seem to have so many new bloggers here now. Names that I have not noticed. Well all I have to say is WELCOME TO THE FAMILY! =D We are so happy that you joined us! What took you so long? ;D
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May 10th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
Iran: A Hate Note on Israel’s Birthday By NAZILA FATHI
Published: May 9, 2008 New York Times
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a “stinking corpse” that was doomed to fail, and warned countries that they would “burn in the fire of their people’s hatred” if they helped Israel, the news agency IRNA reported. “Today the reason for Zionist regime’s existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation,” he said in a speech on the 60th anniversary of the Jewish state.
copied from:
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Based on the number of anti-Israel comments attached to the May 8 2008 OFFICIAL homepage post by Sam Graham-Felsen: 'Obama on Israel's 60th Independence Day ', it looks like Ahmadinejad has the support of many Obama supporters. In one comment, you can make a donation to pay for black balloons to be dropped over Jerusalem through a Palestinian group in Ramallah. Several accused Obama as pandering for votes in his statements on Israel. The most virulent comments were posted by Malcolm from Covington LA, who has NO public profile.
The campaign has so far failed to respond to a single objectionable content report.
Sam's post, with all 272 comments, is a permanent hit at the bottom of page 1 when you Google 'Obama Israel'.
John McCain's attack against Obama's support from Hamas is in the May 10 New York Times, because McCain has also been campaigning in New York City and New Jersey the past two days, no doubt searching for blue-collar votes with this issue.
Someone is lying.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT
are you saying they took our blog comments and posted it in an editorial? Well then I guess they'll figure out that we have freedom of speech on this blog and BO and his campaign staff are not responsible for what individual american citizens write.. or maybe they are too obtuse to know about the Constitution.. ? oh yeah- right-wingers, of course- they don't believe in the Constitution.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
Readthe post and these anti-Israel comments.
It's one thing to post this stuff on a personal blog or in a group - but not on a homepage official post specifically about Obama's thoughtful words on Israel.
One commenter wanted 6.6 million Israelis to just leave.
It was shameful for such comments to be attached to that post.
Because it is OFFICIAL - Obama will have to denounce it in another endless news cycle.
You better find two million more voters in New York if that stuff gets read.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT
No he won't have to denounce a freaking thing. got that? and I will tell you why, because Barack Obama is not freaking responsible for every stupid word that comes out of every stupid person's stupid mouth and if YOU don't get that then doll we are living in different countries. I am sorry that anything was written anywhere that offended any human being, however- you can go to the freaking library and pick up a book that is going to offend some one for some stupid reason. Now if you do not care for what was written, as I said earlier, then feel free to post your own rebuttal or response. if that post is foul language, racist, sexist, filthy, then push that little button and report it. we police ourselves on here.. BO does not police us and his staff does not police us. They have made this site available as are all internet sites available to the mass of readers and writers that care to participate.. and this my friend is a vast vast county and global place- the internet.. and what is written here comes from the minds and hearts of those individual posters.period. If you don't get the difference, then I cannot offer you anything more to make it any clearer. It's kind of the order of someone who believes that wearing a flagpin makes someone patriotic. Either you get it or you don't.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:45 am EDT
and one more thing, one person's views about Israel- either for or against on this site or any other site- is strictly the view of that person.. you have an issue with that person's view, then have the cajones to take it up with that person/writer. Don't blame Barack Obama because you disagree with what someone writes. And don't come on here and threaten the loss of voters to BO because you disagree with someone elses view.. because that tells US all we need to know here, which is that your support is like the freaking weather, it changes based on whether or not you like or dislike what another supporter says.. or for that matter what was written may very well have been written by a non supporter, of which there are plenty on here lately. If you support this candidate then it is based on his beliefs, his stances and his words- which by the way are written under the heading of ISSUES at the top of each blog. You vote for Barack, then vote for him based on his viewpoints not the viewpoints of some lameass poster on a blog- any blog any where.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:46 am EDT
You go Sheri! You have SO lived up to your name!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:59 am EDT
kudos back at ya! hey kind of a team thing here! thank you. Something that just burns mmy butt is this nonsense that BO is suddenly responsible for the speech of the entire free freakin world.. and I'm just not gonna stand for it.period. apparently I'm not alone, I like that~
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May 10th 2008 at 3:10 am EDT
I second that
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May 10th 2008 at 2:42 am EDT
Yes, and the freedom of speech on this open blog is even extended to those intending to damage, you know, the ones with no profile intentionally posting inflammatory responses to topics.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:08 am EDT
Dude, you're a nutcase. Is this what you find so objecionable?
Throughout many centuries, Jews held fast to the hope of returning as free people to the land of their ancestors. Blessed with visionary leaders like Theodore Herzl and David Ben-Gurion, in the 20th century they began to take the practical steps necessary to build a modern state. Against all odds, and overcoming obstacles from international indifference, to hostile opposition in the region, to the murderous crimes of the Nazis, the leaders of the Zionist movement declared the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948. In their moment of triumph, they were immediately plunged into a war for their new nation's very survival. Because of the courage and commitment of its people, Israel did survive. While threats to its existence have endured, Israelis have built their nation into a strong, vibrant democracy, with a prosperous economy, a rich cultural life, and a deep friendship with the United States that benefits both our peoples in so many ways. Even in hard times, Israelis have so much to be proud of. As the Jewish State continues to grow and prosper, the United States will always stand with Israel to ensure it can defend itself against threat of terrorism and violence, from as close as Gaza and as far as Tehran. We must never waver in our unshakeable commitment help Israel achieve its goal of true security through lasting peace with its neighbors.
Shame on you, Sam.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:15 am EDT
read the comments attached to that thoughtful speech.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT
OK, I just wasted 30 minutes of my %&*# life reading 272 comments on that blog. The only thing REMOTELY offensive on there was an argument YOU had with a guy named Jamil. So let me get this straight. You think an idiotic argument you had on a blog is going to bring Barack Obama down, and somehow think that is worse than his idiotic pastor? I can almost see how some people would be worried if Obama might share the same views of his pastor of 20 years, but worries that he shares the same views as a one-time blogger. Are you f-ing serious? You should donate one dollar for each of the 30 minutes I wasted on this bullsh-t.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:07 am EDT
Well put, sir!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:21 am EDT
You know what? This is ridiculous.
The great thing about this blog is that anyone can post here.
The scary thing about the blog is that...anyone can post here.
I saw a "blogger" tonight say that he/she was a "supporter" and used the word n**ger b**tch in his/her name.
Anyone can post here, and it's ridiculous and offensive to imply that posts of the IGNORANT are attributed to the official campaign.
I'll be reporting this.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:29 am EDT
Birdalone -- Let me just add that you know this isn't the tone of Obama's campaign, as I've seen your name on this blog before.
Shame on anyone for implying that it is -- including the New York Times.
Exactly why we need a site that is moderated more consistently....
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May 10th 2008 at 2:43 am EDT
The NYT article was one paragraph long. No mention of Obama or his website.
The only one making these implications is birdalone.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:01 am EDT
I knew I should've put on my glasses when I opened that link!
*blushing embarrassingly*
Lord have mercy -- I need to go to bed....
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May 10th 2008 at 2:32 am EDT
Tanya wrote: "Anyone can post here, and it's ridiculous and offensive to imply that posts of the IGNORANT are attributed to the official campaign.
I'll be reporting this. "
You want offensive, read what Malcolm of Covington LA attached to Obama's speech on Israel. Read the hateful lies that are truly offensive to millions of people, many of us voters.
go ahead and report me - no one in this campaign pays any attention to any reports otherwise I wouldn't have posted my comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
enjoy the next news cycle.
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♥ Tanya ♥
May 10th 2008 at 2:33 am EDT
That's exactly my point, knucklehead.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:47 am EDT
This is about the weirdest conversation I've seen out here.
This person took a one-paragraph article by the NYT, added crap from their blog, and made it look like what's-his-nuts from Iran is over here blogging and making policy based on our comments.
Someone's off their meds.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:54 am EDT
*snicker*
Dang! ...and I fell for it! LOL!
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May 10th 2008 at 3:05 am EDT
Hey, Tanya
Its weird. WEIRD, I TELL YOU, WEIRD.
I thought it was all part of the NYT article too. But then it started looking like the "nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind" (form Young Frankenstein) so I started poking around.
What an interesting night, huh?
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May 10th 2008 at 2:44 am EDT
The only "Malcolm from Covington" I saw in the blog comments was within your text refering Jamil's "fictitious Malcolm from Covington". Gee Birdalone, if you said he was "fictitious" then, what makes him real now?
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May 10th 2008 at 2:59 am EDT
OK BIRDALONE....
Since you're more intent on stirring up trouble over here tonight that doing something constructive, I went over to the Israel blog (where you posted tonight) and reported Malcolm.... Something you should have done the second you were offended by his comments.
I asked the admins to delete ALL his entries.
THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO OBJECTIONABLE/OFFENSIVE ENTRIES.
We don't gripe about them all over hell's half acre.
GOOD NIGHT.
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 3:03 am EDT
good investigating there Shel.. unlike all you good folks I didn't bother to read it, cause I do not care what someone wrote, I just know Barack Obama didn't write it. So thank you all for the backup~
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May 10th 2008 at 3:36 am EDT
I reported every single comment from Malcolm in Covington LA as objectionable content because those were the ones planted to discredit Obama.
I reported the comments Malcolm added after 4:30 am on Friday.
No action.
My point is that 1) google 'Obama Israel' and that blogpost with all of Malcolm's comments
is now a permanent hit.
2) in Saturday's New York Times, McCain starts talking about that little one paragraph from Iran, conflates it with Hamas - his way of attacking Obama to sway voters in New York and New Jersey. 13% of NY voters are Jewish.
Ask Jimmy Carter why he is being so cautious about Obama - he knows this is a highly sensitive issue.
If the campaign had responded to any of my objectionable content reports, I would not have posted this. I was not the only one making objectionable content reports.
It was disrespect to Obama for those commenters to accuse him of lying and pandering.
But with all of the attacks on me for trying to highlight the importance of this issue in the weekend news cycle, I get called all sorts of nasty names by people who don't read carefully.
Who do you think Hillary's core supporters are?
Older women like me.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:14 am EDT
Well listen older woman like you- I certainly didn't call you any names, but what I did notice is that you made this same post and so I suspect it was done with the intent to cause disruption more than having some deep seated concern that BO would be attacked for some lameass post by some lameass blogger.. it's a little hard to take you serious when you also do not stick around to actually discuss but instead make a couple of postings which are very obviously geared to create concern and divisivness. As to being a Hillary supporter well Yeah on you.. I mean what is it you're seeking here at this point? Other than a ridiculous demand that Senator Obama denounce some goof ball opinion by some goofball? Did you write your post because you give a shit about what it said, because you actually care about this man and his campaign and his candidacy.. or did you post it merely to be spiteful and inciteful? Cause I honestly did not see any posting by you that served to create actual discussion.. no just assumption and attack.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:47 am EDT
(reposting for the new people)
I would like to tell you mine now if you will listen. I am a white married 21 yrs female age 39 and mother of two ages 21 and 16. I differ from you as I have been an independant.
I support Obama not based on race religion or gender but because he relates to me in a way no other canidate has in my adult lifetime. I have normally done the vote for the lesser of the evils canidate and now gladly have the chance to actually vote FOR a canidate. As much as I liked Gore and Kerry even they did not have the impact Obama has in regards to my vote.
I have worked outside the home and also currently a housewife so I have seen it from all sides. I have strong democrat and republican family members and even some racist relatives.
This election isnt so much for me as it is my children and their future. I am uneducated (GED) and we live on a 30k a year income with no security (contract work) which includes no health care as well. We had all this at one time and life was grand as we felt we were going to make it but that all ended in the 90s and has steadily gotten worse. It started after the false promises of Bill Clinton and all the while Hillary supported him every step of the way. McCain is just the same as Bush on way to many policys to count.
I am sorry that you feel that strongly against Obama but in many ways Obama and Clinton have many same policy views just different ways to go about them.
Finally I would like to say that sexsism and racisim is only there if you see it when you look in the mirror. Everything in life starts with one being you and from there its simply step after step to change whatever may be ahead of you in the future..
God Bless You!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:13 am EDT
Thank you for that post:)
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
Thanks, April. I always enjoy your posts, but being Irish and very superstitious, I usually have to fly by your 8 ball predictions because I feel I would jinx the entire thing otherwise. I want to add one thing to your wonderful post:
I am for Obama because of the huge inequality in this country between the rich and the working people, an inequality that Obama is intent on diminishing. I am in education (a professor at a university committed to finding monies in order that qualified students from low income families can go to university) and so this is the issue that is high on my list. The disparity between kids who get a good education and those who do not is huge and it is infuriating. I have a sister whose kids are in private boarding schools which spend $64,000 per year on each student and another sister whose kids are in a school district that cannot offer music and art as part of the curriculum. Getting a good education ought not to depend on where one's parents have a home or how much money the family has.
One last thing: Obama's answer to Blitzer about the role of the Supreme Court and who he will chose is another reason I support him. He said, and I am paraphrasing, that usually the law is straightforward and clear, but in those few cases where things are murky, he wants judges who understand that the Court is there for folks who are powerless, outside the system, and who desperately need folks who will ensure that the law is also for them.
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April in Austin with the magic 8 ball
May 10th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT
Thank you Obamacrat and Berlin for Obama.. I just hope it is read but the hillary and undecideds and that it shows how similar we all really are.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:48 am EDT
To accept if "offerred in right way"
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
thats nice, good for her.. if they ask me the right way, I'll agree to be VP also~
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May 10th 2008 at 2:02 am EDT
Hillary will need to downplay her divisive behavior if she wants to be taken seriously in the political spotlight again.
This is the Internet age, baby. We communicate--some of us 24/7.
Can't spin it like the '90s!!!
OBAMA '08
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May 10th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT
Amen. It's Bill's lack of understanding this concept that has turned him into a buffoon these last few months.
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Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE!
May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
Hi norm.. just in case.. newsmax is RIGHT WING crap.. just thought you should know ....hannity, billy, anne coulter and even Rush are good friedns of theirs..
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Daniel from Los Angeles, CA (I believe in Barack!)
May 10th 2008 at 2:22 am EDT
that was funny about the mexican-american superdelegate wanting 20$mil for his endorsement so he can register mexican americans. Nothing against the plea, its just a fact that Obama will have CA cinched in the fall. Don't let Arnold fool you.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:43 am EDT
Norm, you had me worried there for a moment.
It's all Clinton mouthpiece, Stephanopolis's idea.
Dream on.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:43 am EDT
Anyone but a Clinton for VP please..
I for one could never vote for Clinton. The personal wounds are too deep. While yes, many of the reasons I can not support Hillary is due to her husbands presidency but that isnt all the reasons.
As a wife I can understand standing behind your husband / spouse but her own behavior through this campaign only adds to my decision.
True Obama may gain more if he does this than he loses from people such as myself, but the very fat that they are complete opposites in regards to the way Washington works and the flaws there currently.
The message of change hit home for me as its not my future I concern myself with but those of the children in the world now. One day they will be our leaders and the role model a president shows and leads by is as important as any policy issue that may or may not pass through Washington.
Obama is that role model I want my children to read and learn about which sadly the Clinton legacy is just the opposite. The past Impeachment, the Bosnia mis speaks and the attacks as well as the pandering on the gas tax holiday are not what I want to teach my children. I lead by example as I raise my children and look forward to doing the same with my future grand children.
With the Vice President being a heartbeat away from being that leader I must cast my vote accordingly to what I believe in as they would need similar morals to what I consider Barack Obama to be.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:45 am EDT
I'm with you.
If Hillary Clinton is offered the VP position, I'm gone.
Sorry, said I wouldn't respond to the rumour anymore.
Couldn't help myself.
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Julia from Pasadena
May 10th 2008 at 11:08 am EDT
Its not going to happen. She doesn't offer anything to the ticket. The people who support her will be mostly voting democratic regardless, they don't want a republican nominating supreme court justices and overturning Roe vs Wade.
Obama is going to choose someone who has experience (on committees and such, not just as a wife) and who will bring in more people to vote for him. My guess is someone with military experience.
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C from La Mesa, CA
May 10th 2008 at 1:48 am EDT
I want to know how I am supposed to get behind a guy who wants to be our Commander in Chief, but won't put his hand over his heart to salute our flag. Is that going to be the new policy if he is voted in?
What's up with that?
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Barbara
May 10th 2008 at 1:51 am EDT
He actually does salute the flag and leads the flag salute in the Senate, but actually I am more worried about Presidents who salute the flag then lie us into war. The difference is real patriotism (obama) vs false patriotism (Bush) Get it?
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May 10th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT
@C from La Mesa, CA - come on are you serious? He does salute the flag during the pledge of allegiance... that particular time that is being rumored is not the pledge of allegiance. It was during the National Anthem - I have been to at least one hundred or more baseball games in my life and you are not required to place your hand over your heart during the National Anthem (at domestic events, spectators customarily stand for the duration of the national anthem.) Hopefully you are coming to this website to get info - not cause problems... He is patriotic - no one is required to wear a flag pin - Mrs. Clinton does NOT wear a flag pin, nor does Senator McCain - he is Christian! He is truthful, has integrity and is running for President of the United States for ALL Americans! Yep for you too! Hopefully you will not judge him till you get to know him and after you get to know him you will really like him... he is a great person. As is his wife and two daughters - please don't take the MSM words - or should I say right wing media... He also welcomes EVERYONE to his website - they do not screen the people that want to leave comments (unless you say something that is inappropriate) So welcome and I hope you like it here...
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May 10th 2008 at 1:52 am EDT
This is just in case you are seriously interested in knowing the truth.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT
yes, be afraid, very afraid... or you can um, grow up? listen you little matso ball- served in the military lately? gotcher flag pin on?
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
You are such a idiot. He does it all the time. That was not during the pledge. Why not utilize the brain that God gave you and read, research, and learn rather than listen to dumb stupid information that is fed to you by the right wing.
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Gru - a skinny kid with a funny name
May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
Don't be stupid. You can watch him lead the pledge of allegiance in the Senate here:
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MullerOhana: YES WE CAN, bitch.
May 10th 2008 at 3:02 am EDT
This is exactly what is wrong with our country now. We keep electing presidents who are all flag pin and no patriotism.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
You need to worry about presidents that salute our flag and disregard our constitution by waging illegal wars
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
So true.
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Stanley H. Krute
May 10th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT
C my friend
[1] Turn off your radio
[2] Tell us 10 patriotic things you've DONE in the past year. DONE, not said or blogged or whatever. DONE.
[3]Try to pay attention to REAL ISSUES
[4] Repent and ask forgiveness of the civic space for polluting it with this sort of crap
-- stan
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Leah from Houston, TX
May 10th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT
Dear Salute-
Are you referring to that photo that was on the internet? That photo was taken during the song 'The National Anthem' NOT the Pledge of Allegiance. The custom for the National Anthem is to STAND and TAKE OFF YOUR HAT! Have you ever been to a ball game and during the National Anthem MANY people don't put their hand on their heart because that is not what you're supposed to do.
Senator Obama LEADS the Pledge of Allegiance in the Senate with his hand on his heart.
Senator Obama is VERY patriotic - he is a U.S. Senator for goodness sake.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT
I am amazed at the so called "issues" folks are concerned about...hand on heart, flag pins made in China and churches! Gimme a break already...How about being concerned about education? This no child left behind nonsense is the worst thing to happen to students and teachers alike. How about we focus on Civil Rights, Healthcare, this God forsaken war in Iraq. To all of you who come on this site to express your frustration with the fact that your candidate of choice did not win the party's nomination, please come with some dignity and some common sense. Please come with serious questions about issues and concerns for the future of this country and not crazy nonsense that makes no sense at all. We welcome everyone here. We really do. But come on already! Grow up, do your research and educate yourselves on the issues and focus on getting a Democrat back in the White House. Aren't you tired of this war? What about job security? Don't you want that? Aren't you tired of paying $4.00/gallon at the pump? I know that I am. I have a 3.5 year old son. His tuition for the school I have him in is literally off the charts, but I have to pay the piper to get him started early to get the best education. Bush/Cheney have literally bankrupted our great nation and some of you out there are concerned about cotton pickin (to quote my mother) flag pins and the Star Spangled Banner hand over heart?!!!! Wow no wonder we're in the condition we're in right now...you put the guy you wanted to have a beer with in the Oval office instead of the guy with a brain!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT
go away
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May 10th 2008 at 2:18 am EDT
C From La Mesa,
First of all Barack Obama doesn't want you or anyone else to get behind him and support HIM as Commander in Chief so that he can PRETEND to be an American.
He is an American and he only wants to help this country of ours and its citizens rise above this nonsense.
Flag Pins, saluting the flag, Muslim, Jew, Christian (of all sorts)Atheist...whatever...we all are American citizens (if we vote)and those are who he and we as supporters of this campaign are working for.
This is the UNITED States of America. The greatest country on the planet. We are, because of people who were brave enough to stand up and fight for equality. Or people who were brave enough to open their minds and see that just because we differ, we are much more alike than we are different.
Bill Clinton has been preaching this for years.
(Not that I am comparing Barack and Bill)
I don't wear a flag pin, and I haven't seen many folks in the press photos wearing flag pins, including McCain, Bush, Clinton, Chaney etc.
Please C, open your mind and read, learn, seek for truth. Do not just read stupid nonsensical emails and blog posts about flag pins and saluting the flag. Educate yourself to the truth. If you truly need help finding these answers, I will be happy to help you.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:31 am EDT
I don't know why I'm bothering, because you know that this is nonsense, but anyway, here ya go. Barack Obama leading the senate in saying the pledge of allegiance, while facing the flag, with his hand over his heart.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:49 am EDT
Why we want Barack Obama as Commander in Chief?
How about?
He will work toward a more peaceful and healthy planet.
He cares for all people of the world.
His diversity of background and education helps him to understand the point of view of others.
He will seek solutions to problems so that wars can be avoided.
He's smart, articulate, calm, and has good judgment.
Need more?
Let us know.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:54 am EDT
Let's focus on what counts.
Putting his hand over his heart is not going to end the war in Iraq, but his steadfastness and courage of his convictions will.
Putting his hand over his heart is not going to unite Republicans, Independents and Democrats to realize important legislation, but his leadership and motivational skills will.
Putting his hand over his heart is not going to re-negotiate NAFTA, but his commitment to working Americans and popularity with so many countries will.
Putting his hand over his heart is not going to change the way things are done in Washington, but his refusal to take money from lobbeys will.
Need I go on.
Welcome to the Barack Obama team. I recommend you read his book, "Dreams From My Father." That's what made me an instant supporter.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT
Is Obama going to West Virginia? Many people there still think he is a Muslim! It is ridiculous. He needs to spend about 1 to 2 days there. It would really help!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:52 am EDT
You posted this earlier. We've given you responses. You have no profile. What's your point?
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BonForObama
May 10th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT
Sorry Barbara. I meant the earlier poster!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
Hi Bon, I know what you meant, I just read an article about some guy in WV who wants Obama to look him in the eye and say he is not a Muslim. So I think it is important he visit for the fall election at least.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
That's a bunch of nonsense. The Rev Wright smear for the last month was about his being in the pew of a Christian church.
Where the heck have YOU been?
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
Funny Michele, your post just made me think, maybe the Rev. Wright thing wasn't as bad for him as we thought since he may have accomplished the objective of at least clearing up the fact that he was not a Muslim, and of course showing his leadership in the way he addressed it.
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BonForObama
May 10th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT
Yeah, I keep getting virals regarding obama being the anti-christ and he's a 'muslim' yada yada yada. I got so tired of it I created a rebuttal email and had all my friends forward it.
Igorance! Sheesh!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT
Anyone who thinks Obama's a muslim obviously does not follow politics. They usually have a tendency to listen to propaganda/hearsay, instead of taking the time and effort to research each candidate. Factcheck all these silly rumours floating around in the political arena. All these fear tactics the republicans push on voters, reminds me of somebody who tries to scare a child with the 'boogie man'!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT
I actually encountered the Muslim question by AA voters in North Carolina. Most did not care either way, but were curious.
When I was canvassing for him in NC, a lot of the people thought that I personally knew him because I would say, "Hi! I'm here with the Obama campaign. . ." I remember one lady asking me if Obama liked mac and cheese--I hope he does because I replied, "Doesn't everybody?!"
The newest smear that I have heard has been that Obama has ties to Hamas. I heard this one at school, but I was able to convince them that the McCain campaign has started that rumor because Obama has world appeal and it bothers McCain.
It's gonna be a long general election, and we are going to have to become even more vigilant in our quest to end these smear tactics.
Much love,
CeCe in SC :-D
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May 10th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT
i was on the blog yesterday and have also encountered the same question asked and answered repeatedly....
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May 10th 2008 at 2:58 am EDT
Yes, it would really help. But it's hard to be everywhere one needs to be at once, so he has to set priorities.
In the meantime, we do our best to pick up the slack with each other within our communities and across the nation with each other.
Coal miners respect ethics and hard work.
Sen. Obama is doing an excellent job appealing to all voters--including working class voters. Polls and media headlines sometimes have their own corporate agendas.
Coal miners understand the companies sometimes can do better for their health, safety and other issues.
Here is how Sen. Obama appeals to the working class:
Opposed the war in Iraq from the start. Money spent on Iraq could be better spent on the home turf in multitudes of ways to provide more jobs in the U.S.
Supports green jobs.
Is sensitive to lower income working class and their economic challenges--color of skin unimportant.
Takes the long term view for real solutions to consumer and working class problems--ie: Social Security, Health Care, Consumer Issues.
Is honest, courageous, hard-working, and ethical himself.
A family man.
Share this with people in West Virginia. They can learn to trust Barack Obama if they will try to get to know him.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT
In the effort to save space on a blog, I have cut and pasted parts of an email I received today. Contact me if you'd like the whole piece.
"All colonization, all occupation, all repression basically looks the same, whoever is doing it. Here our heads cannot remain stuck in the sand; our future depends of our ability to study, to learn, to understand what is in the records and what is before our eyes. But most of all I want someone with the self-confidence to talk to anyone, "enemy" or "friend," and this Obama has shown he can do. It is difficult to understand how one could vote for a person who is afraid to sit and talk to another human being. When you vote you are making someone a proxy for yourself; they are to speak when, and in places, you cannot. But if they find talking to someone else, who looks just like them, human, impossible, then what good is your vote?
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> It is hard to relate what it feels like to see Mrs. Clinton (I wish she felt self-assured enough to use her own name) referred to as "a woman" while Barack Obama is always referred to as "a black man." One would think she is just any woman, colorless, race-less, past-less, but she is not. She carries all the history of white womanhood in America in her person; it would be a miracle if we, and the world, did not react to this fact. How dishonest it is, to attempt to make her innocent of her racial inheritance.
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> I can easily imagine Obama sitting down and talking, person to person, with any leader, woman, man, child or common person, in the world, with no baggage of past servitude or race supremacy to mar their talks. I cannot see the same scenario with Mrs. Clinton who would drag into Twenty-First Century American leadership the same image of white privilege and distance from the reality of others' lives that has so marred our country's contacts with the rest of the world.
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> And yes, I would adore having a woman president of the United States.
The bottom line for most of us is: With whom do we have a better chance of surviving the madness and fear we are presently enduring, and with whom do we wish to set off on a
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May 10th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
And yes, I would adore having a woman president of the United States.
The bottom line for most of us is: With whom do we have a better chance of surviving the madness and fear we are presently enduring, and with whom do we wish to set off on a journey of new possibility? In other words, as the Hopi elders would say: Who do we want in the boat with us as we head for the rapids? Who is likely to know how best to share the meager garden produce and water? We are advised by the Hopi elders to celebrate this time, whatever its adversities.
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> We have come a long way, Sisters, and we are up to the challenges of our time. One of which is to build alliances based not on race, ethnicity, color, nationality, sexual preference or gender, but on Truth. Celebrate our journey. Enjoy the miracle we are witnessing. Do not stress over its outcome. Even if Obama becomes president, our country is in such ruin it may well be beyond his power to lead us toward rehabilitation. If he is elected however, we must, individually and collectively, as citizens of the planet, insist on helping him do the best job that can be done; more, we must insist that he demand this of us. It is a blessing that our mothers taught us not to fear hard work. Know, as the Hopi elders declare: The river has its destination. And remember, as poet June Jordan and Sweet Honey in the Rock never tired of telling us: We are the ones we have been waiting for.
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> Namaste;
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> And with all my love,
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> Alice Walker
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> Cazul
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> Northern California
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> First Day of Spring
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> March 21, 2008 "
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May 10th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT
There would likely be one unique problem a woman president would/could/should face:
If there was need for a military draft a woman president would lack the moral authority to draft only men.
Certainly the courts would need to correct that by ruling it to be discrimination against men if women were not also drafted.
A woman as president would cause women to have to register for the draft the same as men do.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT
If the McCain campaign is going dirty, I think we need to use swiftboating to get the McCain/Draft connection out to the masses.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
I’m committed to helping Sen Barack Obama become the next President of the United States of America and you can help me by making a donation here.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
I would love for any new donors to chip into my fundraising page. I've exceeded what I can afford, so now I'm asking others to contribute if they can. Thanks!
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May 10th 2008 at 1:56 am EDT
Are there other families on this site who are being battered by this economic storm? Our family gas prices, utility prices, and food prices are strangling us!
To be honest, my hubby & I have been faithful Obama supporters, but he still believed that Clinton had the better answers on the economy until the whole gas tax thing. What that one disagreement exposed was that Clinton would say anything to get elected, and it kind of discounted a lot of other things that she said earlier.
So, we are really praying, believing, and working for Barack Obama. I do not understand how any supporter of either Obama or Clinton can threaten to support McCain. As bad as things are now, they will only get worse with McCain. I mean, he doesn't even understand what is happening as it is! Now, we say that knowing full well that Obama will be the nominee, but I don't believe Obama has done anything (except beat Clinton) to deserve the high levels of negativity that he is receiving from Clinton & McCain supporters.
I've been to Clinton's site to read what her supporters are saying and feeling, and I try to correct them when they are way off in left field (I don't think it posts though).
They believe that he injects race and has tried to bully Clinton out of the campaign. (WTH???)
But my original question was, "Are other families struggling?" and "Do you have any money saving tips?"
We know that we are still doing much better than most, but we are feeling the pinch!
Much love,
CeCe from SC, where another superdelegate endorsed Obama on 5-9-08 :-D otherwise known as Super Friday!!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:02 am EDT
IF THE SPIRIT MOVES YOU, PLEASE DONATE TO MY FUNDRAISING PAGE IN HONOR OF TEACHERS AND PUBLIC EDUCATION.
My hubby and I are both educators who are in graduate school. I will have my Masters in August and hubby is working on his Doctorate.
We're monthly donors who cannot give a cent more, but I love fundraising for Obama.
My $700 goal is in honor of my 7th grade students.
Much love,
CeCe
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May 10th 2008 at 2:02 am EDT
Struggling? With a combination of earned income credit and the stimulus payment the government has officially paid itself back for my overdue taxes from 1999. I made alot of money then. Shortly after 9/11 I was laid off. I have lived with homelessness and abject poverty throughout Bush's administration.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
I should clarify the source of the problem--the economy and NAFTA. How vividly I remember speaking with the personnel at the employment office. "I've always been able to get a job. Where are the call center positions and data entry jobs?" I asked the woman. She proceeded (in kindness) to inform me of NAFTA--of which I was unaware. "Legilsation has recently passed", she said, "that authorized the companies to move their businesses overseas."
The next vivid memory of mine was representative Kennedy in Congress talking of "those who have fallen off the charts" (2003)regarding the unemployment statistics. He talked about folks like me. They exhausted their unemployment, were unable to get jobs and gave up trying. Kennedy was telling Congress their economic statistics regarding unemployment were 'skewed'. It was Kennedy who kept my hopes up. Someone knew my plight. It was Kennedy who encouraged me to check out this man I knew little of....a man named "Obama".
Now I have my hopes for the big 'O'!
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Jeff in "Mayretta", GA -- Middle aged, yet a first time voter because of Barack Obama
May 10th 2008 at 2:15 am EDT
Yup, called Delta Airlines tonight and got India.
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Ladycook99 (meet me in DC on 1/20/09)
May 10th 2008 at 2:19 am EDT
Bon, I feel everything you're saying. I too lost my "secure" job shortly after 9/11. Not directly due to NAFTA but a financial crunch. Since that time I have had 3 more jobs eliminated due to finances. Just started back to work last month.
This past week I had the opportunity to travel thru some areas of my city that I hadn't visited recently. Once proud areas with nice homes now look like war zones. On one street every home was abandoned and boarded up. I was shocked. Some pockets of our country are rapidly dying and I'm not sure why people dont understand that any choice other than Obama only speeds up the death.
I do realize that he will have quite an uphill battle but I do firmly believe he will first slow the death march then stop it and slowly we'll see our way out of the hole that's been dug for us ordinary people.
Good luck to you Bon and everyone else out there struggling.
YES WE CAN!!!
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Stanley H. Krute
May 10th 2008 at 2:03 am EDT
Hi CeCe
I think huge numbers of folks are feeling pinched these days.
The gas/diesel thing's a killer. My area, Siskiyou County, CA, has the highest gas prices in the nation. $4.09, $4.19, $4.29, and $4.39 for the 3 gas grades and diesel at one station I passed today.
Plus: health insurance is going away for everyone except govt. workers. Same w/ pensions.
Food inflation is huge. Jobs are shakey.
Does the MSM give this whole issue much play ? Nope. Not their kind of story. Where are the cool visuals ? The easy emotional hooks ? The excitement ?
Yep, it's tough everywhere for lots of folks. There are NO fast easy fixes. But a focused leader and effective govt. policies can help us work our way out of this hole.
-- stan
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Jan "Sweetie" 4Obama
May 10th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT
Hi CeCe .. I am a minimalist. I walk to the farmers market 3 blocks away .. I use the fireplace and 1 light and keep the TV off if I'm not watching it. I bundle my errands on the same side of town on certain days now. I don't know what else to do to converse the energy I consume. I wash my dishes instead of using the DW. I got my electricity bill down to $46 for my 2BR. Still costs about $67 to fill my car.
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Jan "Sweetie" 4Obama
May 10th 2008 at 2:21 am EDT
Oh .. and btw .. I've been a Controller for non-profit agencies for over 20 years and moved to CA last August .. it would be nice to have found a job by now ... but there aren't any ...none..nada...niete'...zilch ..zippo
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Sara G
May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
I am 26, and come from a family that never made more than 20,000 a year. But I went to college, and managed to land a legal assistant job at a great law firm with excellent benefits. I was there for four months when I injured my back outside of work. I lost my job, struggled to find something decent around my area, and then my back go worse and now I am recovering from back surgery. There are no longer jobs out there, anywhere, much less at a law firm with benefits, unless I am willing to travel at least two hours. Unfortunately, with gas prices, that is out of the question. I am officially dirt poor. I know what you are going through.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:06 am EDT
Barack Obama is the only candidate who has stated repeatedly for years that the money being spent in Irag could much better be spent on green jobs, health care, and needed projects in the U.S.
If this isn't understanding economics, I'm not sure what is.
Yes, many of us and many people in the nation are hurting right now.
I think he gets it and will help us all work through these problems--honestly, openly, and without undue deference to corporate interests that are contributing to the pain.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:51 am EDT
Thanks a lot. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one, though I know that I am not.
Thanks for the tips. There are a few things that I can do.
For those of you looking for work, check out the Americorps site. Not technically a job, but volunteering with some benefits.
I hope this helps someone.
Much love,
CeCe :-D
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May 10th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT
Please join me in signing the "No Hillary for V.P." online petition at the following link:
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May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
Thanks for doing this.
I'd like to see 1.5 million signatures.
-- stan
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May 10th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT
Can't sign the petition, because of the way it is worded.
I have absolutely no respect for Hillary Clinton.
Why is that we have to continue to pretend to have respect for a documented liar, wrapped in equally documented scandal, who is blatantly derisive and divisive and was fired from her job on the Watergate Judiciary Committee for being a liar and an unethical, dishonest lawyer.
Let's call a spade a spade. This woman is not fit for political office. That's why we are fighting any potential of that.
If Barack Obama makes her a VP, then I'll know I was wrong about him. It's that simple.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:04 am EDT
I signed it and yes the wording is too polite IMO but then again I voice my opinion daily here and dont mind having others agree to disagree with me. Heck my husband and I agree to disagree on many things and we have a wonderful mariage going on 22 years.
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May 10th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT
Link
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Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE!
May 10th 2008 at 2:03 am EDT
yes yes.. i concur.. when i first heard webbs name mentioned,. thougt it a good choice althought i do like Sebelius very much for a running mate..
but defesne is good..
sorry for all the typos...
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT
Jim Webb is a great guy :)
By the way, I love your name!!
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Stanley H. Krute
May 10th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT
Yes. Webb is very good.
Temperament-wise, I like Hagel even better. And he'd give the ticket the same sorts of boosts. Esp. a good innoculation against the GOP's patriotism/military-experience attack line.
Either one would be fine w/ me.
My main thought: we need a VP who shares Barack's values AND is a heck of a campaigner AND gets us votes we would not get otherwise. Every possible veep choice should be measured against those 3 yardsticks, IMO.
-- stan
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May 10th 2008 at 3:11 am EDT
I like both Webb and Hagel. Both are very smart, independent thinkers with lots of experience and diverse backgrounds. Webb can be bit of a loose cannon sometimes, though. And Hagel's not a particularly dynamic speaker. Don't know how effective he'd be on the national stage.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:53 am EDT
I like Webb but I think that he would be much more of an asset to Obama as Secretary of Defense. He has experience as an undersecretary and he is very against the war. He may be wasted as a VP.
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No longer in Berlin but still for Obama
May 10th 2008 at 6:57 am EDT
Hagel would be great, although Obama stated in his interview that Iraq and Al Queda in Afghanistan are at the top of his list of things that attention, in which case I still think Wes Clark would be a great choice as VP. He could also go toe to toe, actually top, McCain's military experience.
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Stanley H. Krute
May 10th 2008 at 12:19 pm EDT
I like Wes Clark a lot.
However, when he was a candidate in 2004, he flopped, sorta like Fred Thompson this year. Big buildup, then he announced, then when he was on the stump he just didn't have whatever magic it is that you need to do that [crazy] thing.
-- stan
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May 10th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT
Hey, it feels good to be home after a hard day.
Been out on the blogs on Real Politics, MSNBC First Read, Politico and it ain't easy out there as you all know.
Amazing.
However, it is more clear than ever that the vast majority of voters know full well that Hillary has little to offer, just the same old, same old.
At the same time, we need to keep up the pressure to make sure that the issues that we care about are on the front burner.
I watched Barack live in Eugene, Oregon tonight. I was up the road in Salem, Oregon, about 1 hour away. Barack is strong throughout Oregon and I think we will deliver on May 20th. We just need to keep the spirit of why this was all started alive.
All is good in Oregon.
No fear.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:13 am EDT
So true.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:03 am EDT
Just to make you smile here is the graphic evidence
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Ladycook99 (meet me in DC on 1/20/09)
May 10th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT
Nice chart!
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Gru - a skinny kid with a funny name
May 10th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT
Looks like that stock pick that everyone dreams of.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:04 am EDT
Joy I just replied to you on the last thread but thought I would reply here as well.
GO BULLDOGS!!!!
Sleeping in my Drake gear tonight!!
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Joy IA
May 10th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT
Drake Blue all the way! :-) I'll have to O-mail you...
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Rhonda in IL
May 10th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT
Certainly!! I will be looking for it!
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April in Austin with the magic 8 ball
May 10th 2008 at 2:04 am EDT
Pocket change for real CHANGE!
FR--
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Small amounts can make a BIG difference!
Please donate if you can as my fundraiser has been lonely lately!
God Bless You!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:06 am EDT
WHO DO YOU THINK BARACK OBAMA SHOULD CHOOSE TO JOIN HIM ON THE TICKET FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION?
YES WE CAN!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT
I have no flipping idea.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
ditto.
I'm anxious to see who he'll pick
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May 10th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT
Same discussion upthread....
From Al Giordano
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The Field’s presumed qualifications are that it will be a Catholic Democrat of evident competence and experience, a team player, and someone the nominee and his base consider ready to be president.
In other words, it will not be, for those and many other reasons, under any circumstances, a junior US Senator from New York. ;-)
Besides, each of these folks would be far more ready on day one, and would strengthen the ticket more visavis the Electoral College.
Discuss, and add your own…
1. Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius: Competent, Catholic, Ohio-born (and daughter of former Ohio governor), good chemistry with the candidate, not prone to gaffes, team player. Bonus: white woman from Kansas reminds of Obama’s own oft-overlooked roots. A “mother and child reunion.” Downside: Not vetted nationwide.
2. Virginia Governor Tim Kaine: Would likely tip Virginia into Democratic column, Catholic (former Jesuit missionary in Honduras), speaks Spanish, not prone to gaffes, knows the “Appalachian” demographics. Bonus: New star on the stage. Downside: Not vetted nationwide.
3. New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson: Competent, Catholic, gravitas, more vetted nationwide than most. Bonus: Locks up the Hispanic vote and ups its turnout; the more exposure he gets, the more people like him. Downside: Prone to distracting gaffes, and being VP would take him out of running for Secretary of State.
4. Delaware Senator Joe Biden: Competent, Catholic, gravitas, vetted. Downside: Senator. Downside with a bonus: He’s prone to provocative statements that could get spun as gaffes but when it comes to race relations, they are often of the comforting sort to voters that are not yet fully comfortable with Obama.
5. Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer: Catholic, new star. His nomination as a pro-gun tough-talking Democrat would blow minds, could make for nice synergy. Bonus: Would create the sense of an all-new Democratic party. Downside: Not vetted nationwide, prone to provocative statements that could get spun as gaffes.
6. Massachusetts Senator John Kerry: Competent, Catholic, gravitas, speaks decent enough Spanish, vetted nationwide. Bonus: Matches John McCain on all his strengths, and would drive his old friend McCain crazy off his game at every step. Downside: Senator. Lost ’04 election, prone to the occasional provocative statement that gets spun as a gaffe.
BTW, I think any of these choices would be an electoral winner in November, and go on to become the 45th president.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT
Jean Weiss the ultimate ObamaGrandma . How about that ?
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Rhonda in IL
May 10th 2008 at 2:31 am EDT
She would be a hoot!! However, a couple of nights ago Barath posted a clip of the Gov of Montana... I was certainly impressed and think if he is vetted properly before hand he could really be a great asset...especialy with his pro gun stance. I think that issue would help the ticket.
If you are out there Barath you should repost that clip!
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 2:13 am EDT
Richardson, Sebelius, and Webb I think would be great possible veeps -- but necessarily in that order; all 3 are awesome :)
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April in Austin with the magic 8 ball
May 10th 2008 at 3:07 am EDT
Anyone but Clinton reposting post here.
I for one could never vote for Clinton. The personal wounds are too deep. While yes, many of the reasons I can not support Hillary is due to her husbands presidency but that isnt all the reasons.
As a wife I can understand standing behind your husband / spouse but her own behavior through this campaign only adds to my decision.
True Obama may gain more if he does this than he loses from people such as myself, but the very fat that they are complete opposites in regards to the way Washington works and the flaws there currently.
The message of change hit home for me as its not my future I concern myself with but those of the children in the world now. One day they will be our leaders and the role model a president shows and leads by is as important as any policy issue that may or may not pass through Washington.
Obama is that role model I want my children to read and learn about which sadly the Clinton legacy is just the opposite. The past Impeachment, the Bosnia mis speaks and the attacks as well as the pandering on the gas tax holiday are not what I want to teach my children. I lead by example as I raise my children and look forward to doing the same with my future grand children.
With the Vice President being a heartbeat away from being that leader I must cast my vote accordingly to what I believe in as they would need similar morals to what I consider Barack Obama to be.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:08 am EDT
Okay am I the only one on here tonight that feels we are being bombarded, infiltrated and okie dokied to death tonight.. are am i just really grouchy and paranoid? talk to me Obamas~
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Jeff in "Mayretta", GA -- Middle aged, yet a first time voter because of Barack Obama
May 10th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT
okie dokied about what?
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Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE!
May 10th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT
hi sher.. nope.. i've felt ok doked most of the day too!..
Peace from the OC
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Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden*
May 10th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT
whew thanks for that.. sheesh read this blog- it is rampant with whack~
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Leo
May 10th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT
Everybody just lay back and be positive. We are on the verge here.
Another exciting day ahead tomorrow!
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT
Okay, now I have to break down and ask...
What the heck does Okie-dokied mean?? :o)
Thanks.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT
gee lace how many times have you had to post your commentary about our funds NOT going to HRC? The same questions over and over all along every blog today.. then all the weird little comments about how well if BO is such a great guy and we're so supportive of him talking to our enemies then why oh why won't we pay her bills..etc. etc. Okie dokied means to be tricked, played, snookered, bamboozled, fooled. And if you read this blog from top to bottom it is a litany of newly named folks starting fires.. and old timers putting them out.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:32 am EDT
All in all I'm going to easily guess 100.
Got it, thanks ;-)
*tipping the glass to hoping that no one is any longer okie-dokied over Russert's comments, the rumor mill, and the HuffPo baloney*
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May 10th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT
I don't think you're being paranoid. Something has changed.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:04 am EDT
Yeah, I have to say that I feel something. The blogs are usually inspiring and joyous but today and yesterday it was sort of a let down. There is new energy afoot, a dark energy.
I think there are those out there will try to distract us from our goal. All the energy that we put into dispelling this rumor is taking away from using that energy productively for the purposes of electing Obama.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:20 am EDT
Partly, I think these feelings are due to the inevitable small letdown after pushing and wishing and praying so hard for Obama in NC and IN. It's hard to stay at that level. After the initial elation, I've felt a bit of a drag myself the past few days.
But, tonight, I think there IS someone messing with us on the blogs. But that's okay. They may learn something while they're here.
And I want to say how impressed I am with those of you who have made so many calls and travelled so much to GOTV for Obama. You're amazing! Thank you!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:27 am EDT
oh no, the corporations are our friends. They're here to help (relieve you of everything you hold dear)
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May 10th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT
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Sorry to get all "The Shining" and all...
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
Take it easy! It's not going to happen ...
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May 10th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
........."Blink. Squint. Blink."
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May 10th 2008 at 2:15 am EDT
NOBODY'S WILL!!!!!!!!!
Huffington Post
"Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other methods." (Thomas B. Edsall, Huffington Post)
Please note that the phrase "could provide" as opposed to "should provide" or "must provide" is used.
READ THIS ALSO (please)
Hillary's Debt Will NOT Be Paid By Obama for America Supporter Donations.
It is not legal to do so.
I secured this information personally from campaign HQ in a phone conversation with the Finance Chairman In Chicago at 2:40 P.M. EDT Thursday, May 8th. I was asked to relay this information onto the blog by the Finance Chairman.
DONATE to Obama with Absolute Confidence.
There is no need to worry that your donations to Obama for America will go anywhere else. None of the money you donate to Obama will be diverted to payoff Hillary Clinton's debt.
Kill Any Rumor To The Contrary … and pass this along, please.
A rumor started about this based on some loose comments by Tim Russert. It was followed by a somewhat provocative article on the Huffington Post … Link ... to the same effect. Many here became worried and said they would stop donating if it was the case that HRC's debt would be paid for by using the money directly donated to Obama for America. It Is Not the Case and it will not happen.
Why did I call HQ about this? I called because many bloggers had/have posted that they will not donate to the Obama campaign if Hillary's debt is paid for by us / Obama for America.
Further, today I personally challenged Huffington Post controller Chris Davis as to their sources. Mr. Davis declined to accept my name or phone number, but did take the Obama HQ's contact information. He made no promises however.
If one reads the above carefully, it is clearly stated that Obama could voluntarily help HRC with a separate fundraising effort to pay off her debt, BUT, no money donated directly to Obama for America could be used. That would be illegal.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:18 am EDT
Good Lord, we could make a career out of explaining this, couldn't we??
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT
I've made it my full time job....
I've been up for forty-one hours straight now posting and reposting this.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT
Hey guys, I think this guy is a TROLL. Look at his profile it says: "Why I support BO: He's money." So don't worry, I think that this guy just wants to get some attention.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 3:06 am EDT
Wow...guess I should've taken a look at that.
Too bad they're not gonna get any of it!!!!!!!! :D
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The Pollitikat
May 10th 2008 at 9:33 am EDT
good info Lace.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:24 am EDT
How do you explain this:
By: Thomas B. Edsall
Huffington Post - On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in recent months....
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May 10th 2008 at 2:48 am EDT
Neva -- If Barack chooses, he may participate in joining her by holding a SEPARATE fund-raiser (with her supporters and other members of the Democratic party) in attempt to assist her.
However, this in NO WAY would include any monies donated to the Obama Campaign.
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Joy IA
May 10th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT
Cay, legally NONE of *OUR* money can go to HRC.
Please become informed so you can share the info with others and not have to shout at us.
Link
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Obama cannot under federal law assume direct responsibility for Clinton's debts because that would amount to an illegal contribution, far above contribution limits.
There are, however, a number of other alternatives. Obama could, for example, send out a solicitation in Clinton's behalf to his own donors and to other donor lists, asking for contributions to be directed to her campaign. He could, in addition, hold a joint fundraiser with the money
split between Clinton and Obama.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:22 am EDT
Share your sentiment...but don't worry...it would be illegal to use our donations so your $$ won't be used. What I am seeing on the Huff Post is that Obama may send out solicitations for her or do joint fundraisers. I think even that is bad. He should have nothing to do with her. Her rational supporters will calm down and support him now(e.g.my brother-in-law) and the crazy ones never will.
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Jude
May 10th 2008 at 2:24 am EDT
Read threads above.
The (il)legality of this has already been discussed in detail. Enough.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT
Everyone should remain calm. NONE of your donations
are going to help Clinton in any way! He will not choose her as VP....why would he do this? This would not be a winning ticket. This is all just gossip spread around like we have seen before.
Everything is FINALLY coming together and we all need to be focused! We did it!
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World For Obama 08
May 10th 2008 at 4:16 am EDT
I don't know huh. Looking it from different perspective, I see there's some benefit to it too.
Here it is:
1) It's good for the general election where such kind of help might send a signal to everyone especially the republican that after the long fight during the primary, the democrats are willing to help each other.
2) Don't forget we are trying to help the party to win. I believe the republican will use this as their ammunition. Trust me. We have to think from a larger perspective. I believe Obama's knows what he's doing.
Tell me what you think....
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CeCe in South Carolina where everyone is not a jerk like Wilson
May 10th 2008 at 2:15 am EDT
I was reading on dailykos that the final count from Ohio was a loss of 8.8% due to a high level of absentee votes for Obama.
The final Indiana count was 50.4 C to 49.6 O. I think it is less than 1%.
Has anyone else heard anything like this? How does this effect the popular vote debate?
Is there a chance that Clinton can catch up with big wins in WV and Kentucky? A pundit on CNN believes that Clinton can sweep the rest of the contests, and that she can win with 70% on Tuesday in WV and the following week with Kentucky. They also think that she will win Oregon.
I'm not worried because I trust you all on the blog more than I trust the pundits, but should I be a tiny bit concerned?
I'm only asking this now because there are not a whole lot of people on the blog tonight and I do not want to pass any bad vibes along.
Thanks!
Much love,
CeCe :-D
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Jeff
May 10th 2008 at 2:19 am EDT
There really is no chance.
It is all over effectively.
She may be talking but noone is listening.
On May 20 he will have the majority of pledged delegates and then I suspect he will say he has won
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Joy IA
May 10th 2008 at 2:25 am EDT
I saw somewhere that HRC would need to win all of the remaining contests with 81% and the more SDs that endorse Obama, perhaps 81 increases to 85 or so!
Have some fun at Slate's delegate calculator to slide your win projections and see what changes in the delegates column.
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No worries, no bad vibes here--nothing but good vibes since that lovely January 3rd Iowa caucus night! ;-)
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May 10th 2008 at 2:25 am EDT
CeCe,
First, I do not trust what I hear on CNN.
Second, I do have a lot of faith in Tim Russert being honest and doing his research and "Math". He says and was the first to say (and has stood by it) on Tuesday that Barack is the nominee.
Third, Why would all of the supers that have crossed over and/or committed in the last few days do that IF there was a chance that CNN could possibly be right?
Rest easy, Barack Obama is the nominee, all of the chatter is to help Hillary not look so stupid for continuing to fight a losing battle.
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT
The difference in Indiana was like, 10k votes, and Pennsylvania narrowed too; meaning, we have more breathing room.
Bill Clinton is floating the idea that Hillary could get a 500,000 vote lead out of West Virginia (by having 600k people going to the polls), but there's just no way. First, the entire population of the state was 1.8 million; second, it's a republican state; and third, Obama still gets a a third of the votes.
WV and Kentucky are worth very few electoral votes. Oregon is worth a LOT more, and she is behind by double digits in every poll of the state. Plus, Oregon is most similar to Washington state, where Obama won every single county.
To feel good about things, click on the map from our home page here, and look all the Obama dark blue around north-west states (dakotas, pacific northwest).
Peurto Rico is a bit of a toss-up; Clinton has the Hispanic vote, but Obama has the Governor's support, as well as Mondragon (sp?) the influential Clinton switch.
On top of all this, Obama has been getting AWESOME press -- everyone is saying, "It's Over". This gives Obama a big bump too. Just look at the latest Diaego and Rasmusen Polls (Obama + 11, Obama + 8). This will filter, yes, into West Virginia. Plus, as people begin to think, "it's over", fewer people show up to vote.
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Jo Obamican now hopeful in Idaho
May 10th 2008 at 3:32 am EDT
And he carried away the Idaho caucus.
The Pacific Northwest is not Clinton country but strange things happen. I just don't see it.
Yes, WE can!
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Daniel from Los Angeles, CA (I believe in Barack!)
May 10th 2008 at 2:31 am EDT
CNN is married to Hillary. I would watch MSNBC if you watch cable news at all for this campaign. I have heard some bad stories covered there but I love Keith Olberman. Many would suggest no MSM at all which is probably the best way to avoid rumors.
MSM reminds me of high school with the rumormongering that happens. I avoided it back then I prefer to avoid it now.
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CeCe in South Carolina where everyone is not a jerk like Wilson
May 10th 2008 at 2:43 am EDT
Thanks everyone! I knew that you all would know more than anyone else.
We should have our own news section at the top of the page. Hmmm. . . .
Or, we could just keep posting information.
I love this movement!
Big hugs to everyone and lots of love,
CeCe
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Shel
May 10th 2008 at 3:35 am EDT
the "popular vote" debate is a fallacy. This race is based on delegates.
If it was good enough for Bill Clinton in 1992/1996, it's good enough for Hillary Clinton in 2008.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT
Heading out. See you's tomowa!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:19 am EDT
G'Night Bonnie!
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Jolie in Calif.
May 10th 2008 at 2:22 am EDT
Has anyone ever visited the McCain blog? I did for the first time. I was not trying to spy, but curious about the issues they were talking about. To my surpise, not a lot of discussion about the issues. Lots of negativity, racist remarks, courting of Hillary supporters, ambivalence about McCain being a true Republican (huh??) a pushy Obama supporter posting his bums off trying to convert people, how much they hate latte drinkers, and many things that I cannot repeat here. It's like a disfunctional family over there! Don't think I wanna go back.
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CeCe in South Carolina where everyone is not a jerk like Wilson
May 10th 2008 at 2:40 am EDT
Thanks for going over there. I have gone to HRC's site a few times. Now you've got me all curious and since I cannot sleep, I minus well go and peek.
The racial things don't bother me as much. I've decided to have some thicker skin during this election cycle. Racial comments don't make me mad anymore, but they do make me very sad.
Thanks again! Sounds like you need to wash it all off.
Big hug to you,
CeCe
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May 10th 2008 at 3:29 am EDT
I just went over there and they are interesting. They certainly have passion for their candidate.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:22 am EDT
Link
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Sharon~Independent for Obama
May 10th 2008 at 6:19 am EDT
Thanks for posting this link. It's a great read.
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Heidi from Albuquerque
May 10th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT
Just a note everyone. I am not a troll, go to my profile. I have donated to this campaign more than my husband is aware of.
Anyway, my point tonight, is... we love our candidate; die hard Clinton supporters love their candidate. Picture, for just one moment, if we were in their place. We would be going through the stages of grief. First their is anger...we need to try to keep positive on these threads. I am as guilty as the next person, ready to defend when something negative is posted about our candidate.
Let's just do as best we can to unite and focus on our next challenge: John McCain
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Debra - "Lipstick" wearing white middle-class female from Seattle for Obama/Biden 2008!
May 10th 2008 at 2:37 am EDT
Heidi, I so agree with you. I feel sorry for the supporters of HRC because I can only imagine if it were us going through the pain they must be feeling! I am like you - I have devoted so much time and energy into this campaign and some have done the same for her - I guess lucky for us that we have Senator Obama and the fun blogger family that goes along with it... I mean for sure we have had our own moments when things weren't looking so swell and it is not a very good feeling, so I agree with you - we need to treat them with respect and some sympathy and hopefully in a few weeks they will be just as happy as us... I have been trying to comment to the commenter above and let them know Senator Obama will not let them down - I mean he is not perfect, but he welcomes us all to his campaign... I saw someone on here had a petition to get her out - I personally think after all the time that she has devoted to the process that it is just as hard for her to just give it up! I have tried to put myself in her shoes and her supporters shoes... it cannot be a fun place to be! As mad as I have gotten at her at times - I think she deserves to leave when she feels the time is right. She just better not try to take it away and hopefully she stays positive...
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Debra - "Lipstick" wearing white middle-class female from Seattle for Obama/Biden 2008!
May 10th 2008 at 2:37 am EDT
Heidi, I so agree with you. I feel sorry for the supporters of HRC because I can only imagine if it were us going through the pain they must be feeling! I am like you - I have devoted so much time and energy into this campaign and some have done the same for her - I guess lucky for us that we have Senator Obama and the fun blogger family that goes along with it... I mean for sure we have had our own moments when things weren't looking so swell and it is not a very good feeling, so I agree with you - we need to treat them with respect and some sympathy and hopefully in a few weeks they will be just as happy as us... I have been trying to comment to the commenter above and let them know Senator Obama will not let them down - I mean he is not perfect, but he welcomes us all to his campaign... I saw someone on here had a petition to get her out - I personally think after all the time that she has devoted to the process that it is just as hard for her to just give it up! I have tried to put myself in her shoes and her supporters shoes... it cannot be a fun place to be! As mad as I have gotten at her at times - I think she deserves to leave when she feels the time is right. She just better not try to take it away and hopefully she stays positive...
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Debra - "Lipstick" wearing white middle-class female from Seattle for Obama/Biden 2008!
May 10th 2008 at 2:41 am EDT
***sorry for the double post - my computer was acting up...
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Woman over 60, finally old enough for Medicare!
May 10th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT
I suggest that we create a link that answers the question about Barack paying her debts. When anyone brings it up, give them the link, and leave it at that. They're playing a game to distract us, and we fall for it EVERY SINGLE TIME! There are invariably 20 posts about it.
GEESH!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:25 am EDT
i agree this is getting real old.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:27 am EDT
they just want to hurt our fundraising this month
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Jolie in Calif.
May 10th 2008 at 2:33 am EDT
I was wondering why they have not done that already.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 2:36 am EDT
That's probably what I'm going to do, something like:
"IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR US TO PAY HER OFF!!! NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!! NEVER!!
--Link--
See there for details and sources"
I've had Obamacrat's message posted there for like 2 days now...I'm suprised I didn't seriously consider doing the link thing before. It'd save a lot of you regulars from breaking the scrollers in your mouses trying to dodge my rampant debunking :o)
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May 10th 2008 at 2:24 am EDT
I decided to try out some possibilities in the 6 remaining democratic primaries (West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota, Puerto Rico)
I know that the process is more complex then the model I used since the number of delegates awarded is dependent on congressional districts and thresholds, but the numbers I came up with implied that for Sen. Clinton to overtake Sen. Obama in the pledged delegates she would have to win the remaining 6 events with about an 80% - 20% margin.
I found some difficulties in coming up with the results. First I found that different sites identified different number of available delegates associated with these contests. The values I saw ranged from 266 down to 217. The lower the number, the harder it would be for Sen. Clinton to overtake Sen. Obama. Second, it appears that not all pledged delegates have yet to be assigned. This could cause the results to go in either direction. I ignored the idea that not all pledged delegates have been assigned and used the largest value of remaining delegates that I found (266).
From the data I have seen from various sites, Sen. Clinton needs to make up at least 162 (some sites indicate as many as 168) pledged delegates. The 162 value represents approximately 61% of the remaining delegates. But for each contest, Sen. Obama will also pick up some delegates so that the number of delegates she currently has to overcome will be changing as well.
The simplest model would be: (Current delegate count difference) + (available delegates * Obama's %) = Available delegates * Clinton's %
Using this simple model, Sen. Clinton would need to have slightly over 80% of the vote to catch up.
If my analysis is reasonable, that seems like an extremely difficult task to catch Sen. Obama.
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 2:35 am EDT
Well, in any prediction model, you have to at least split Oregon, as Obama will not lose this state. If you look at the map
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Obama has also cleaned up in every neighboring state of South Dakota and Montana.
That takes 83 delegates out of play (split them half & half, if you want); and leaves the 3 Clinton-favored state, Kentucky, Oregon, and PR - a total of 134 delegates only.
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Stanley H. Krute
May 10th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT
Bob Herbert rips into HRC's "hard workin' white folks" madness:
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An excerpt:
But it’s one thing to lack class and a sense of grace, quite another to deliberately try and wreck the presidential prospects of your party’s likely nominee — and to do it in a way that has the potential to undermine the substantial racial progress that has been made in this country over many years.
The Clintons should be ashamed of themselves. But they long ago proved to the world that they have no shame.
-- stan
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♥ Tanya ♥
May 10th 2008 at 2:58 am EDT
Ooooo -- Now THAT'S a good article!
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Jo Obamican now hopeful in Idaho
May 10th 2008 at 4:30 am EDT
Excellent!
I saw him on Charlie Rose on election night and couldn't tell whom he was supporting...or as much as a journalist should I guess.
He does hit the nail on the head.
Let's Work Hard in West VA |
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GA in VA
May 10th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT
Hello - Let's Go Obama Team!!
We can make inroads in West VA - who knows maybe the residents are tired of voting for someone who cannot gain the majority of delegate votes.
I have also included a great link by Toni Morrison - her letter endorsing Barack. this is a great message.
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GA in VA - Keeping it Real
"Change We Can Believe In"
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May 10th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT
A Woman President?
Something to consider:
There would likely be one unique problem a woman president would/could/should face:
If there was need for a military draft a woman president would lack the moral authority to draft only men.
Certainly the courts would need to correct that by ruling it to be discrimination against men if women were not also drafted.
A woman as president would cause women to have to register for the draft the same as men do.
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Jacquelyn 4 Obama
May 10th 2008 at 3:25 am EDT
No problem, really.
Women have always served our country in wars.
My mother was an army flight nurse. There are many fascinating books on the subject of women in military service - ever since Betsy Ross sewed a flag for us.
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Obama08NOW
May 10th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT
I have made six donations this week and I am proud to say that I am absolutely positively sure they are NOT going to be used to pay off HRC debt. Three just today!!
Please consider my FR for your donations.
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Peace and love to all!!
Pam
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May 10th 2008 at 2:34 am EDT
it's kind of sad to see how easily distracted we've become.....stay focused family.
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Michelle B
May 10th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT
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Jacquelyn 4 Obama
May 10th 2008 at 3:27 am EDT
Thank you, Michelle.
Great list of links.
Party? |
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A Dork Who Prefers to Act Instead of React
May 10th 2008 at 2:32 am EDT
So is this where I will find the late night thread party? Am I too late?
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 2:34 am EDT
... just warming up!
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A Dork Who Prefers to Act Instead of React
May 10th 2008 at 2:36 am EDT
Oh good! Who brought the chips? I'm hungry! And do we have any "super dip" to go with those??
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 2:36 am EDT
James doesn't need to warm up... hes ALWAYS fired up! ;)
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT
Link
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A Dork Who Prefers to Act Instead of React
May 10th 2008 at 2:41 am EDT
So is THAT what keeps you fired up? LOL!
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Syd *** Exotique est magnifique***
May 10th 2008 at 2:45 am EDT
Hangover! How about inviting Hillary and Mark penn for DJ ?
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nanette
May 10th 2008 at 2:36 am EDT
never to late....not on this site anyway
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TomG
May 10th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT
Hey, it's just warming up!
Lot's of campaign finance worry (Hillary's)...
VP pick worries...
WV worries...
Grab some punch!
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Obama08NOW
May 10th 2008 at 2:44 am EDT
Your never to late here but I am out of money to donate unfortunately :)
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 2:35 am EDT
I personally am finding talk of Hillary as a VP and Obama paying off her debt pretty worrying.
For example, the following lead in to the huffington Post article:
"By: Thomas B. Edsall
"Huffington Post - On Friday, Barack Obama publicly raised the possibility of helping Hillary Clinton pay off more than $25 million in debts, including the $11.42 million she loaned her own campaign to keep it afloat in recent months."
However, a word of caution to everyone, me included:
Could it be that it is her campaign that is spreading these rumours? Wouldn't she love it, if everyone stopped donating to Barack Obama, to avoid paying her debts?
I have been the first to express concerns here, but maybe it would be better to ignore the rumours, unless they become facts.
So I am going to keep the faith and trust Barack Obama's judgement. That's one of the reasons I support him, blogging my fingers to the bone until 2:30 a.m.
We trust you to do the right thing Barack Obama.
Rumour door closed.
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Phil from Canada
May 10th 2008 at 2:41 am EDT
There's a big difference between helping Clinton & making her "strong" to help in the GE, and paying off her debt.
Example: Obama could ASK his donor base to help a Hillary Clinton who has conceded, to donate to her campaign to help her with her debt as a step towards healing.
Obama has NEVER said, or suggested, that he would cut her a check!
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 2:43 am EDT
"Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign, because that would violate campaign contribution limits." Huffington Post
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Please read the entire article. Paleeeeese!
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 2:45 am EDT
Unfortunately, FEC rules are rarely enforced, and the fines are small
But Obama won't because he has more integrity than that. He respects the law.
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May 10th 2008 at 2:44 am EDT
Yes, this was on K Olbermann today for a bit, too. Now, other posters on these blogs had spoke of the illegality of this move and of course we can't trust the press to necessarily give the facts accurately.
However, it does appear we need a word from HQ one way or another. Anyone else got facts with which to clarify?
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 2:49 am EDT
I got my facts from our Chicago HQ finance chairman: 312-819-2008
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 2:46 am EDT
Not gonna happen! It would be ILLEGAL for us to pay off her debt!!!!!!!
See here for more info and sources:
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 2:53 am EDT
Lace, have you noticed, as I have, that some bloggers have been whining about this for days? I know of only three bloggers that called HQ and verified the facts, and received the same answer as I did from the finance chairman.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 2:58 am EDT
Hate to say it, but yes. Believe me, I've been up for 42 hours straight posting your posts non-stop.
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 3:02 am EDT
I did see a few of your re-posts of mine, thanks!
I think it's time to change the subject.
Pop in a link to one of your favorite non-political songs for me, OK:):):)
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 3:05 am EDT
What genre and what decade? :)
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May 10th 2008 at 3:09 am EDT
Any decade ... Alternative Rock?
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 3:11 am EDT
Here’s one of my favorite songs. I played this record for my wife in 1966 when she turned sweet sixteen:
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The Crests “16 Candles”
The crests were the first commercially successful multi racial Doo-Wop group.
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 3:21 am EDT
Another all-time great hit:
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Clyde McPhatter "A Lover's Question"
(former lead singer for the great Drifters)
one more:
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The Penguins "Earth Angel" (50's - 60's LA group)
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 3:22 am EDT
In that case, I'll give you a short list...
Temple of the Dog, Hunger Strike
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Collective Soul, December
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The Eagles (I'm a huge Eagles fan, haha...), Lying Eyes
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Mettalica, Sanitarium
Bush, Greedy Fly
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Candlebox, You
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =WElvEZj0Ltw
Lynyrd Skynyrd, Simple Man
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Yeah, I'm stuck in the 90s....
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 3:33 am EDT
My all-time favorite group and song:
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Blondie "Atomic"
I have everything this group ever did.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 4:19 am EDT
I must say, I've got a soft spot for "Call Me" ;)
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 3:36 am EDT
Oh Lace, aren't you the romantic one. Beautiful taste you have.
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 3:50 am EDT
One of my friend's bands:
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You might like their song "Last Stand"
Live performance:
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 3:54 am EDT
If it has lead guitar riffs in it, I'll listen to it ;-)
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MullerOhana: YES WE CAN, bitch.
May 10th 2008 at 3:07 am EDT
I gotta laugh. Every time someone comes in with that "Hillary Debt" thing, Lace is right there to refute it. Even when I think she's not on the blog, just mention paying Hillary's debt, and BAM, there she is. You should pass the torch Lace and get some sleep, lol.
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Rhonda in IL
May 10th 2008 at 3:08 am EDT
Lace...Honey please go get some sleep!! I know you are young but that is not healthy. We need you to be strong!!! I am sure someone will help out overnight to dispell this crazy rumor.
Sleep my dear, sleep!!!
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OLD ACCOUNT
May 10th 2008 at 3:28 am EDT
I wouldn't want to be anywhere else ;-)
Besides, it probably will not be long before I no longer have a computer or the internet, so I'd better enjoy this time while I still have it!
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Donna No Shock Barack No Drama Obama of MD
May 10th 2008 at 3:09 am EDT
Lace and James,
I had out of town guest so now that the house is quiet I have been catching up on the blogs. This whole "I'm concerned" mess is a concerted effort orchestrated by someone somewhere to come to this blog and stir up trouble. Most of these people have just created profiles (you can tell by their points) or have no profile. This is planned to create fear and stir things up so that people will be hesitant about donating. Thank you for your efforts to keep the panic under control by stating the facts.
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Obamacrat *The Original & Indefatigable* 1-20-2009
May 10th 2008 at 3:12 am EDT
:)
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May 10th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT
Hillary and McCain are capitalizing on Mother's Day, putting their mothers in ads with them.
Obama supporters ought to launch an Obama's Mamas video and letter campaign showing their pride in Obama and in honor of his much missed mother.
As the one candidate that has shown himself to be the leader of the youth of the nation, he is the quintessential son of America.
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Jo Obamican now hopeful in Idaho
May 10th 2008 at 3:41 am EDT
Heck, Chelsea sent out a card for people to sign to Hillary.
And paid for by Hillary. Thought she was broke.
Yes, WE can!
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May 10th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT
charleston gazette poll
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who should be prez? tell them.
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May 10th 2008 at 4:32 am EDT
Done.
Clinton 44%
Obama 40%
Yes, WE can!
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Hussein from Canada-Alberta
May 10th 2008 at 2:40 am EDT
James Carville, Ed Rendel and some hrc suppoters were planning to raise 30 million(from CNN in March)for the MI and FL re-vote to help hrc, right?
Why can the same hrc cronies help raise the 30 million now to help pay her debt?
HRC cannot manage her own campaign, how in the world does her supporters, such as lanny davies, think she can manage the US economy?
PRESIDENT OBAMA
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May 10th 2008 at 2:46 am EDT
i was thinking the same thing,where are all of her die hard supports?why didn't they donate to her campaign?we supported our candidate with donations....i just don't get it.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:02 am EDT
Because they were only in it for themselves. They are beginning to get the message. She's got nothing for them. They picked the wrong horse.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:45 am EDT
I thought that Carville said somewhere lately that he had $15M for another election in MI.
There you go. Campaign funds. If she doesn't get her $11.4M back by the time of the convention, she'll lose it.
Yes, WE can!
Delegate Math |
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 2:41 am EDT
Well, here's the math. Worst case scenario
Let's say Clinton wins 2/3 next contests
she wins West Virginia with 70%
West Virginia
Clinton 20
Obama 8
Kentucky
Clinton 36
Obama 15
Then Obama returns the favor in Oregon, winning with 60%
Obama 31
Clinton 21
Total delegates
Clinton 77
Obama 54
We can still declare victory on May 20th, when we clinch more pledged delegates, which no one will dare overturn. May 20th, mark your calendar.
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Jeff
May 10th 2008 at 2:49 am EDT
Add the 3-4 supers per day (say 10 days) perhaps 40 -50.
So 105ish. That puts us 55 away from the magic number. Add a few in Montana, SD, and PR and a couple more supers and it is done.
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Obama08NOW
May 10th 2008 at 2:53 am EDT
From your keyboard to Gods ears!!
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 3:02 am EDT
Okay, I will do that.
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Cesar
May 10th 2008 at 2:42 am EDT
I am fired up! Please consider carpooling to meet up destinations.
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 3:00 am EDT
Thanks for the laugh, David.
Lieberman |
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 2:47 am EDT
Last Time I checked Joe Lieberman lost his bearings. Just saying...
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A Dork Who Prefers to Act Instead of React
May 10th 2008 at 2:50 am EDT
I know what you mean. If I met him on the street I'd ask him "who are you and what have you done with the real Joe Lieberman?"
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 2:57 am EDT
The real Joe Lieberman never existed, he's a traitor.
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Syd *** Exotique est magnifique***
May 10th 2008 at 2:57 am EDT
I feel great, I'm on the new Joe Lieberman diet. No matter what I do I just keep losing and losing and losing.
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A Dork Who Prefers to Act Instead of React
May 10th 2008 at 2:48 am EDT
I'm going way off topic so forgive me - besides, it's like a party kind of topic. Anyone here been to Panama? My husband and I are considering a vacation there and would love any tips or ideas.
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Woman over 60, finally old enough for Medicare!
May 10th 2008 at 3:35 am EDT
My sister has been there twice and loved it. She's a quilter, and went to learn reverse applique that the Indians there do. Write her at colsen1@albany.edu and ask her whatever. Just tell her her sister Pam sent you.
She's a fairly conservative traveller, so you don't have to imagine hiking around in the jungle....but she is an anthropologist, so they always love getting into the local culture a bit.
(She also voted for Hillary, and she's been out of the country for three weeks, so didn't see all the flack....but she'll happily vote for Obama.)
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Dave T. Donating to this campaign feels soooo gooood.
May 10th 2008 at 2:55 am EDT
Here's a nice piece from the Seattle PI and the Waco TX papers on Barack's intelligent position on the gas tax holiday.
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People get it. Just keep listening America, here comes the truth.
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Dave T. Donating to this campaign feels soooo gooood.
May 10th 2008 at 2:59 am EDT
Here's a nice piece from the Seattle PI and the Waco TX papers on Barack's intelligent position on the gas tax holiday.
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People get it. Just keep listening America, here comes the truth.
Vote for Change |
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KCaid - Can't wait for November 4th!
May 10th 2008 at 2:59 am EDT
I will be registering voters in Hayward, California
Yay!!
5 Stages of Grief |
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Jim B from NC, ... now ... the hard work starts.
May 10th 2008 at 3:01 am EDT
Five Stages Of Grief -
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Denial and Isolation.
At first, we tend to deny the loss has taken place, and may withdraw from our usual social contacts. This stage may last a few moments, or longer.
Anger.
The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even if she's dead), or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with himself for letting the event take place, even if, realistically, nothing could have stopped it.
Bargaining.
Now the grieving person may make bargains with God, asking, "If I do this, will you take away the loss?"
Depression.
The person feels numb, although anger and sadness may remain underneath.
Acceptance.
This is when the anger, sadness and mourning have tapered off. The person simply accepts the reality of the loss.
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♥ Tanya ♥
May 10th 2008 at 3:14 am EDT
Good post. Something to keep in mind...
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Obama Ye Ohene
May 10th 2008 at 4:16 am EDT
Good one, Jim B. So at this point, HRC is at the first stage (denial). I wish she would hurry through the stages already!
YES WE CAN!
OBAMA '08
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May 10th 2008 at 3:01 am EDT
I understand the desire to have Florida and Michigan at the convention.
The first step in this process was that the two states broke the rules and the DNC was probably justified in issuing some sort of sanctions. Initially, Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama agreed with the sanction imposed.
The second step in this process was the actual elections. The news media have reported that some people did not vote because of the sanctions. The candidates reacted to those states based on those sanctions.
The third step in this process was to try to get a re-vote. These attempts fell through. Part of the problem is that the various proposals had legal or fairness difficulties. Because of the legal and fairness problems, I don't feel that blame should be placed on any group for not achieving a re-vote. Part of the impetus for this step receiving media attention was that Sen. Clinton changed her position from supporting the sanction to being totally against the sanction. How can one truly justify changing the rules in the middle of the process?
The fourth step now being worked on is to find someway to seat them independent of any re-vote. The problem is to do this fairly. To seat them based on the actual votes is unfair as attitudes change with campaigning and a lot of people would be disenfranchised because they believed the DNC. To seat them with an equal number for each candidate is also probably not truly fair, but coming up with a fair value is almost impossible. Further, because of the steps followed and the original DNC ruling, the reactions of the voters, and the affects of campaigning, it would be unfair if the seating changed the results that would have taken place without them being seated.
I do not envy the process the DNC rules committee will have to go through when they meet at the end of May. If the solution they come up with is perceived to be unfair, it will create huge problems for November. I guess they are faced with pretty much of a lose-lose-lose situation.
This evening a super-delegated indicated she would not make a support commitment until after Florida (or was it Michigan) was seated.
Good Luck
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May 10th 2008 at 3:06 am EDT
Great. She can drop out. We don't care.
HRC supporters |
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President Obama!!!
May 10th 2008 at 3:03 am EDT
HRC supporters are threating to vote John McBush in November. I stop by their website and the tone is kinda "bitter". We need to win their hearts and show them that this campaign is not against HRC or John McCain. This campaign is different because it is FOR something. Yeah, something! It is for Americans that want change, reject the status quo and want an end to Iraq war, etc.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:06 am EDT
Yeah I just looked at both HRC and JM blogs and they (die hard Clintonheads) are p i s s e d. I want to say something to get them to understand how selfish it is to vote for McCain in November because HRC lost in June.... We should do something to win over supporters.
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MullerOhana: YES WE CAN, bitch.
May 10th 2008 at 3:11 am EDT
I think we can write off the 20 bloggers on Hillary's site and still be ok in November.
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Neva
May 10th 2008 at 3:14 am EDT
Thanks for another laugh, Scott.
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08AMA!
May 10th 2008 at 3:10 am EDT
We'll win them in November, I'm sure of it.
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Obama08NOW
May 10th 2008 at 3:10 am EDT
I really think once HRC is outa here they will come around.
Like the aricle above concerning McCain and the draft. Women will stop and realize they cannot void McCain. Not to mention what he intends to do with womens rights.
There is another group he will also pick up right away but not a story for blog
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President Obama!!!
May 10th 2008 at 3:26 am EDT
Yeah, the longer she remains the worse it gets.
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May 10th 2008 at 3:11 am EDT