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By FreedomOfSpeechForObama2008 Aug 18th 2007 at 11:14 am EDT

"Many friends and terrific organizations are sponsoring or planning to sponsor debates and forums. So this is not an easy decision for us to execute. But it simply won't work to navigate this one by one. We felt we needed to make our approach clear and consistent."~ David

I agree.

Debates and Forums are important , but it really is the American people who will be making the ultimate decision and Barack needs to get to them. Besides, let's all be real. Some of these Debates and Forums are..........well, you know. I think fewer debates and more campaigning is an excellent idea.

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By Lyn MD Aug 18th 2007 at 11:27 am EDT

I agree...watch everyone else follow

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By Jon Aug 18th 2007 at 6:18 pm EDT

You mean follow-the-leader... again?

What really gets me is how harshly the Clinton supporters are attacking this on the blog. They do realise their candidate will step down forum-debate appearances shortly, ...don't they?

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By drosenfeld Aug 18th 2007 at 9:46 pm EDT

Speaking of Hillary and debates, each of you should try posting a critical comment on her blog and see what happens. I did and they didn't allow it. All comments are moderated unlike this site that relies on user-reports. Is that the type of democracy Hillary would institute under her administration? Go to Link to read what I wrote.

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By MTT Aug 18th 2007 at 9:56 pm EDT

David - I had the same experience. I have tried to post several on her blog. My first one slipped through - I was the only critical comment on the entire thread - when I tried to respond to the responses, none of my comments were posted. My posts were very civil in tone. I wrote to the ACLU and Chris Matthews(I think he is not a fan) about this since I find it really unbelievable(same thought as you about how a Hillary admin could then allow dissent). Is there any way to publicize this? I think people would be shocked.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 10:36 pm EDT

We've all e-mailed the media about the censorship on Hillary's site. To no avail....

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By MTT Aug 18th 2007 at 10:50 pm EDT

Does anyone on this blog have an connection to the press or know of an effective way to get their attention about this censoring by the Hillary site? BTW, maybe the Huffington Post would be interested...

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By shawnmarie Aug 18th 2007 at 11:43 pm EDT

I am almost positive Arianna Huffington has openly said supporting/endorsing Obama. I think they will take suggestions but they may not want to come across too bias either. If we start sounding like there is a conspiracy of all the media in attacking Obama then we may loose some ground and credability ourselves. Point out the conduct in the debates, truth to power, ethics, and it wouldn't hurt to put a good word in for Obama but at the same time, keep it real and focused on the real problem. Another poster said it took a citizen journalist on a U tube video to show the Cheney interview back in 93. I think Obama has gotten brought into the cross fire, but a good way to start shedding some light on the bigger problem and the message that he doesn't need the media being his mouth piece. Mrs. Obama spoke out and gave a great speech. I think with her doing this hopefully more often, the voters will get a better judgment of the Obamas on a more personal level. I also read in the other peice that I thought was real important is that Obama isn't just focused with speaking to the voters but often cuts his speech shorter so he can take more questions. Again Obama doesn't let us down, but lifts us up. I can't wait to see him speak in person. And Mrs. Obama you are going to be a great First Lady. shawn marie-MI

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By shawnmarie Aug 19th 2007 at 12:03 am EDT

PS.....The other poster I doubled checked about the citizen journalist breaking the cheney story in 94(correction, I said 93)it was the wise Mehari. Great post Mehari. Very true and great observation. shawn marie-MI

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By Joseph from Castaic, CA Aug 19th 2007 at 1:08 pm EDT

One way to get the attention of voters and the media is to point out how different Barach is from Hillory.One example would be welfare reform under her husband's administration.The Economic Policy Institute argues that if you increase the number of workers who are desparately seeking jobs but don't increase the number of jobs ,the law of supply and demand means wages for existing jobs will decline. The Clinton repeal of the welfare safty net increased the economic trend that began in the mid 1970's of declining wages.Corporate profits were the highest in history yet wages for 80% of americans either remained the same or fell.The Clinton's always believed in welfare for everyone but the poor.Companies like McDonald's M&M,Gallo wines receive tax subsidies to advertize their products abroad,agribusiness is also a major recipient of welfare subsidies.The list of corporate welfare subsidies-starting with the military budget -is endless.What the Clinton's created was workfare to replace welfare.Workfare is forced labor for government to reduce welfare payments and at the same time undercut wages and working conditions for the poor.Their trade policies like NAFTA clearly has hurt the poor with job outsourcing at the international level.We need to get specific as to why Hillory is more of the same while her rhetoric is different.She recently advocated the increase in H1 visas to white collar workers in India after getting financial support from Indian businessmen in America.She failed to sign on the Levin bill to end offshore tax havens for mutinational corporations so they can avoid paying billions in taxes.Hillory is the best friend big business has, and when all is said and done on the real issue of corporate governance to control public policy all we have left is George Bush in drag.These are but a few of the issues we should be discussing as the campaign moves forward.Forget the media and lay out specifics on the harm Hillory will bring to America.You are giving this woman too much respect and not enough direct attack.I don't want the Breck girl with the sreeching voice in my living room for the next four years.

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 19th 2007 at 1:01 am EDT

Arizona Grandma & MTT,

My guess is that the Boston Globe or Huffington Post might want to take on that challenge of censorship on HRC's site..Both have been fair & very supportive of Obama (enough that had people here at Camp Obama-STL (for 2 or 3 days).
(AZ e-mail me if you would like the contact name I have from Huffingtonpost)

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By MTT Aug 18th 2007 at 9:47 pm EDT

Just ignore them. "Empty vessels make the most noise".

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By bryan lovsness Aug 19th 2007 at 2:25 am EDT

Too bad if one is not one of the ten to eat corn with Barack or the four who have dinner with him (is that out of campaign money?) because if one wants to see/hear Obama here in Mendocino California the ONLY thing we have are the debat5es and an occassional t.v. clip...wouldnj't YOU be frustrated - I am and I am tired of trying to support someone with such HORRIBLE handlers!

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By Jennifer Feb 15th 2008 at 5:20 pm EST

I appreciate the forums and debates but at the same time if anyone who is politically motivated hasn't been paying attention shame on them!

I feel it's time for the candidates to get together with citizens and answer questions and gain insight on what we want and need.

Thanks to the Obama campaign for listening to the country. Can't wait to see you in Portland, Oregon.

Jennifer Marcum
Portland Oregon

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By Gretchen Aug 18th 2007 at 11:36 am EDT

imo the real problem is that all these forums and debates try to be all things to all voters. Each seems to think they're providing the only chance voters are going to get to hear the candidates speak about the issues. So, we get an overly general, scattergun approach to questions - the one from column A, one from column B method. What issue does NOT affect black people? Or AFL-CIO members and their families? Or any other group thinking of sponsoring a debate or forum? We're all in this together.

So let's try to focus. If there were one forum/debate about health care, one about the tax system, one about the Middle East, one about the developing world (and so forth) we the voters might get fewer attempts at soundbites and more attempts at serious, extended discussion. Individual speeches are fine, but we want to see some interaction (compare and contrast) on these issues as well, with all the candidates taking part.

If our attention span is long enough to watch Sicko and An Inconvenient Truth, I think we can handle one-topic debates/forums.

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By Linda Aug 18th 2007 at 12:41 pm EDT

Ditto the ever-pragmatic, cool-headed Gretchen. The debates, as structured, have us all watching the rhetorical version of a flea on a dog's back. Little depth, little substantive value. Lots of hopping from neck to shoulder to flank. Nip. Nip. Nip. Whichever "flea" takes the biggest bite gets the most attention and that translates to a "win."

Fleas are brainless. So are sound-bites. Both leave us irritated and scratching with no salve in sight. The single-topic debate is the antidote.

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By bryan lovsness Aug 19th 2007 at 1:41 am EDT

I'm sure Iowa knows Barack well - but we here in Northern California ONLY see -or- hear from him via television and I am sick and tired of everyones intimate timkes with Barack when we get NOTHING...I am furious...GO GORE!

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 19th 2007 at 8:38 am EDT

Relax......it is no better for us here in Western PA. He has to focus on the early primary states. You just keep checking out this blog along with media sources. Don't you worry, he'll be there again soon enough.

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By mariposanegra Aug 18th 2007 at 11:31 am EDT

Good call!

People keep asking the same questions at the debates and forums anyway! If they really wanted to know, they should just go read about it on the website or look at how he answered that same question at the previous debate!

I also don't want to hear any more wanna-be-cool moderators asking Obama what he thinks about Barry Bonds. Who cares?

I say spend more time with the voters!

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 18th 2007 at 3:04 pm EDT

Yes Agree,

Good Call --- it's the American people that will be voting for Obama.

We supporters already know where Obama stands on the issues (& if a person does not, all they have to do is read this webpage or watch the debates,forums & speeches on here.

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By RAH Aug 18th 2007 at 11:32 am EDT

It's also interesting to note that even though the small amount of people watching the debates feels Obama won, the media still spins the win to Hilary. With people like Chris Mathews and the pundits all talking up Hilary command of the stage and soundbites, its seems pointless to go before them to give them material to spin out of context.

Good idea to just go before the American people and present his ideas and vision for the future in person rather than let the media defines him.

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By mariposanegra Aug 18th 2007 at 11:33 am EDT

Exactly! Hillary goes to these debates and forums and gets booed and the media still say she was the winner. Ridiculous.

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By Julia from Pasadena Aug 19th 2007 at 10:45 am EDT

The media decides Hillary won before the debate begins. So why bother going? They are rather silly anyhow, 2 seconds to issue your sound bite then on to the next topic.

We had a personal issue with Hillary media bias. A local paper did a blog about our Obama table at our farmers market, and made the statement 'Hillary had the upper had as in the polls'. Totally out of line, the facts are clear that we have had an Obama table EVERY WEEK since May, with at least 3 of us there. There has been a Hillary person TWICE (that's 2 compared to about 12) and they didn't have a Hillary table, and they only stayed 1/3 of the time. And they weren't there last week. So chalk one up to another media bias towards Hillary. But we aren't letting him get away with it. check out our comments!

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By BlueVoter Aug 19th 2007 at 1:15 pm EDT

Exactly,
I am always frustrated after the debates because not only does the MSM proclaim Hillary the winner no matter what happens but they then ignore anything negative about her (i.e., hardly any news organization showed the clip of her getting booed at the AFL-CIO debate) and declare that Barack Obama has made a mistake by saying things that most Americans not only agree with but have been waiting for someone to say. The fact of the matter is jugment is more important than just the numbers of years spent in Washington and he has both judgment and character.

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By Yiannis aka Stephen Colber(t) for Vice Presiden(t) Aug 18th 2007 at 11:36 am EDT

I do wonder how the shortening of the schedule by a month plays for us, it sounds like it's something we could do without...

The question is, will everybody else follow or will there be fora and debates where Barack is the only candidate missing.

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By RAH Aug 18th 2007 at 11:51 am EDT

I'm sure they'll weigh the pros and cons and commit only if they see it benefiting Obama and not what the other candidates are going to say. Dodd & Biden didn't make the Yearly Kos, and no one said anything negative about them. If Obama's team will not attend any forum or debate, I'm sure they will issue a nice memo in support without commitment.

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By ShaniKeys Aug 18th 2007 at 11:59 am EDT

Yes there will be debates where Barack is the only one missing, but that doesn't really matter because the ratins of these debates are low, Jon Stewart even discussed it on his show. It's way too early and people are not paying attention yet, so it's better to go talk to ppl live instead of talking to them from "Washington" via the tube. And yes, others will follow.

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By TexasTim64 Aug 18th 2007 at 11:44 am EDT

I am sure we hear the outrage from all the other candidates, but as you remember Clinton and Edwards were saying the same thing a month or so ago....once again, it took Obama to show leadership and make a decision....so tell me again how we want the "business as usual" experience.

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By RAH Aug 18th 2007 at 12:00 pm EDT

It will be interesting to hear their response when he turns down a forum or debate. It think most people thought Edwards and Hilary was meaning leaving Gravel and Kucinich out, but Obama taking himself out of the debate they participate in will be interesting to watch.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:24 pm EDT

Here's a quote from Politico.com on Obama's decision...

"Although the Illinois senator has lagged behind Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York in national polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, his record-breaking crowds and fundraising underscore his status as the most exciting candidate in the race. His participation or absence can make or break an event."

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 5:35 pm EDT

You GO Grandma!

We old crones know the truth...
Folks LOVE him. He's family.

Auntie B.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 2:39 pm EDT

Good call by the campaign. This will enable HQ to devote its time enabling Barack to criss-cross the country and continue on his military mission of unite and conquer.

I have been worried about Barack getting enough exposure in states like CA and FL, where he does not have much of a history. Hopefully, HQ will free itself up to carry out the nationwide run and get Barack exposed to the west and the south.

Now that David Plouffe has let everyone know that Barack will not be able to attend every single forum, I think the pressure will be off from some of the other candidates to appear. I doubt whether we will see Barack being the only absentee at forum after forum. I don't see that happening.

The strategy outlind by Plouffe would likely not have been possible without a well-funded campaign. Fortunately, The Movement has raised so much money that it can send out the troops, plot strategy, deploy the army, and win hearts and minds. Keep the funds coming (I am about to sign up for recurring donations)!

Debates are also a forum that favors Hillary because, as so many here say, they are quick soundbites without much substance. Thus far, Hillary has been able to eschew the fact that she does not seem to be running on a platform ("strength and experience" is a slogan, not a platform).

I also think that strong bus tours like the one in Iowa will get tonnes of media attention as Barack crosses the country. He will get coverage from local newspapers and radio stations, and reach many more people than by the debates.

This campaign just keeps getting better - just when you think they cannot outdo themselves, they do.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 3:12 pm EDT

Reading this reminds me of how often the Clinton camp seems to plagiarize what comes out of this campaign.

First, as the weeks went by, Hillary's web site became more and more like this one in its design.

Second, have you all noticed that every time a Clinton spokesman makes a statment, he or she says that Hillary has "the strength and experience to deliver CHANGE"? I wonder where we first saw that last word.....

Hillary is truly audacious.

And she has more "artistic" periods than Picasso. Now, her latest fad is to dress in really flashy colours and utter this loud, basso laugh that drowns out everything else in its wake.

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By CK Educators with Obama Aug 18th 2007 at 3:29 pm EDT

Oh I know...I just returned from a parade in a local town. We signed up new supporters. The Clinton camp sent two reps that arrived late carrying signs that said "Change"-I could barely keep from laughing-and they didn't even bother to sign up any supporters. When it was over-they both hopped in a car with Arkansas plates. We are not Arkansas. Where were the volunteers?

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By D from El Paso, TX Aug 18th 2007 at 4:14 pm EDT

You'd have to go back to the last century to find which campaign used "change" (Try FDR), I'm afraid. But yes, I myself can't wait for it to finally happen.

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By George of Washington Aug 18th 2007 at 11:59 pm EDT

We walked in a parade today also for Obama - the only presidential candidate represented in the parade! We were greeted with applause and 'Go Obama's. 8 of us carried an Obama banner or blue rally signs, handed out candy for kids and 300 flyers (ran out half way through!). Many thanked us for being there, including a local Dem leader.

It was so much fun we are going to do another parade next Saturday!

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 19th 2007 at 12:11 am EDT

Wow! great job Emilie. We thank you too. And thanks for sharing.

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 19th 2007 at 1:11 am EDT

Emilie,

Thanks for sharing your story with us & keep up the good work for Obama

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By Julia from Pasadena Aug 19th 2007 at 10:54 am EDT

Yah Parades!

We are organizing for a few parades here too, including Pasadena's Doo Dah parade. I was surprised to know many parades are free.

Got one in your area? Sign up for it, create an event here on this site, and see who joins you.

I've never been in a parade before, and this year I'll be in several. But which of my Obama shirts should I wear?

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By SFT Aug 18th 2007 at 11:46 am EDT

Please read the whole article--the ending is very special! Link

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By Donna NH - Thank you my fellow Granite Staters! Yes we did! Aug 18th 2007 at 11:47 am EDT

I think is a great move. Barack holds his own at the debates, but the debates are certainly not his best place to get his message across when he's got 30 seconds to talk about how he's going to get the troops out of Iraq. I agree at the debates some of the questions are ridiculous, a set up for the candidate.

Getting one-on-one time with the voters to me is most important. When I saw Barack in Berlin, NH, it didn't take me long to be won over by his sincere hello, down-to-earth approach, and realistic, visionary ideas to cleaning up Washington and helping the American people.

And, I can't imagine how grueling his schedule is right now. I hope he's eating well, sleeping well, and taking good care of himself.

I think this is a great move from the campaign.

The is a movement for the people, not for the media.

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 11:54 am EDT

Obama's voice resonates with solemn clarity...

"I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Link

Love and hugs,
Auntie B.

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By Tammy Aug 18th 2007 at 1:56 pm EDT

Yes, I am READY FOR A BRAND NEW BEAT,

and I will be DANCING IN THE STREET when I hear President Obama take the oath of office.

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By SFT Aug 18th 2007 at 12:00 pm EDT

Yes--indeed!

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By De Vaughn Aug 18th 2007 at 11:51 am EDT

Taking this approach will certainly put Obama back on top. No longer should Obama submit himself to Hillary bias debates whereas, her sounds bite makes good presidential policy !!!!!

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:03 pm EDT

Good move, HQ! Considering the inaccuracy of MSM this change in strategy will be much more effective.

Auntie B.

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:04 pm EDT

Good move, HQ! Considering the inaccuracy of MSM this change in strategy will be much more effective.

Auntie B.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 2:47 pm EDT

And it means that Obama is running the campaign on his own terms, not by MSM dictum. Pundits can point viewers to debate lines and distort what is said, but they cannot tell a crowd of people at a community hall or park what they heard or did not hear.

It is the difference between watching a 30-second ad on television, where the advertiser can mislead about its products, and actually being inside the store with the advertiser's products on the shelves. No room for distortion there. And that is where Obama wins.

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By Tammy Aug 18th 2007 at 1:59 pm EDT

All Hillary has to do is show up and the media says:

Hillary won
Hillary did a great job
Hillary said this
Hillary didn't say that

It's laughable. No matter how she stumbles, they just praise her.

Hillary could get caught with her hand in the cookie jar and the media would say: Oh no, she wasn't taking those cookies. Hillary was admiring and examining the cookies.

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By wazolangu Aug 18th 2007 at 2:06 pm EDT

Tammie! you made me laugh - hillary examining the cookies?!! aaaahh!

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By Diamond -- IrishAmericansForObama Aug 18th 2007 at 5:20 pm EDT

LOL! LMGO!

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By Bien-Aime Aug 18th 2007 at 8:21 pm EDT

This is like Tiger Woods deciding not to participate in a golf event. Good move!

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 19th 2007 at 1:39 am EDT

Yes-- it's like the brilliant mind & his strategy outsmarted the folks who thought they were smart by buying up the press & media with their big bucks !!!

Well the 2-minute sound bites aren't going to help if there's NO debate & they sure are NOT going to be effective if she has to talk openly & honestly "in person"to the American people.

Doubt whether the press will be covering the local events she talks at ( not when the audience will be there to point out the bias in their reporting)!!

Think the ship might be sinking real fast & it's gonna take more than Bill & the money folks to keep it above water.

Never under estimate the power of Barack & his supporters !!!!!

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By ShaniKeys Aug 18th 2007 at 12:06 pm EDT

watch the MSM media spin this around and say that he's not good in debates, or that this means the end of his presidency already bla bla bla, can't wait to hear this.

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By MarkieBee Aug 18th 2007 at 12:25 pm EDT

I'd love to see Obama and Shrillary go head-to-head...just the two of them. Let them ask each other questions, that way it can't be spun that he was attacking her. Obama would wipe the floor with her. So this decision has nothing to do with whether or not he can stand toe-to-toe with her. In fact, I think it would be a pretty cool strategic move on the campaign's part to challenge Shrillary to a one-on-one debate. We'd have to wait until after Edwards gets eliminated in Iowa. But I think it would be HILLARYous to see her stutter, hem and haw trying to get out of the challenge...something about scheduling conflicts or something I'm sure.

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By Sharon Aug 18th 2007 at 12:49 pm EDT

Markie Bee: I think this is a great idea and I hope headquarters is listening. Facing Hillary one on one would eliminate the appearance of Barack reducing his debate participation because of her. Let them ask each other questions- Maybe Barack could confront some of the issues that the news media will not -- questionable campaign donations, refusal to release papers from time in the White House until after the election, discrepancies on opinions related to talking to our "enemies", nuclear weapon use, etc. I could go on and on.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 2:10 pm EDT

Yeah but it would definely put some pressure on her. And considering the remarks that she and edwards where caught saying about getting to just the serious candidates. And it would also quite some of those who are going to try and make a big deal out of the campaigns latest statement. Seems like a solid response once her croonies start to complain

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By Joseph from Castaic, CA Aug 18th 2007 at 9:07 pm EDT

I,as a debate coach disagree.I think Obama has demonstrated that he can flip an argument on Hillory.If he avoids debating her it will be said over and over again that he is fearful of debating the issues.I would offer an alternative,call Hillory out mano y womo for a debate on the war in Iraq.One on one, and take the offensive not the I'm afraid to debate route.

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By Tammy Aug 18th 2007 at 2:03 pm EDT

Markie Bee

You know good and well Hillary wouldn't hardly go for that.

Shillary will only participate in scripted events and moments in which she can regurgitate her rote learned answers.

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By Dwan Packnett Aug 18th 2007 at 3:45 pm EDT

I agree with your assessment that Hillary is "beating up Obama" to the extent that the MSM declared debate winner appears to be the candidate who can most often deliver a pandering soundbite in 30 seconds or less. Fortunately for Obama, this is not a skill required on the international stage. I think that this is a wise decision for Obama because he will stop delivering a crowd to Clinton and Edwards for the debates. It will be fun to see how much interest an Obama-less debate generates.

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 1:09 am EDT

Link CNN YouTube Debate Raw Reaction: Obama vs. Clinton
Link Flashback: The Polls in July 2003
Link How Reliable Are the Early Presidential Polls?
Link * Link Actual Hillary audience reaction to her policy ideas

Q: How come you guys are dissing mainstream media? I watch cnn, msnbc, etc every day and i trust what they say. What are you guys talking about?
Link How the news works
Link Bill Moyers Journal | Buying the War | A Circular Leak | PBS
Link BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Buying the War | Excerpt | PBS
Link Bill Moyers :What's Wrong with Big Media
Link Bill Moyers on the state of journalism
Link Bill Moyers Journal, Buying the War (90 minutes)

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By ShaniKeys Aug 18th 2007 at 12:05 pm EDT

I think it's a wonderful idea, and it shows the real meaning of democracy. What is the campaign doing to fight against voter fraud? And is there an indepedent panel that ensures that the 2008 elections are transparent?

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:14 pm EDT

Barack biography

Link

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By RAH Aug 18th 2007 at 12:20 pm EDT

The decision to cut down on debates has nothing to do with facing Hilary. As I understand it, the decision is to spend more quality and quantity face to face time with the voters.

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:41 pm EDT

YES! The man electrifies with his passion, charm, intelligence, and personality.

Michelle grabs the souls of the audience.

The girls grab our hearts.

Barack Obama in the flesh. "Talk to me. I listen. I care. I'm here for you."

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By ShaniKeys Aug 18th 2007 at 12:19 pm EDT

I think they do spin it, if you remember the youtube debate, the focus group agreed with Barack, people applauded him and then the media spinned it. Same thing with the AFL-CIO debate and the same thing with what he said about civilians in Afghanistan, which is true by the way, even the president of Afghanistan complained about it to Bush himself. They always pretend that what he's saying makes no sense at all, but most of his collegues/opponents agree with him, Kucinich doesn't want nukes, Edwards would talk to Iran and doesn't take lobbyist money, Hillary is a flip flopper and the list goes on. And everyone knows the polls are faker than Beyonce's hair, they keep attackng him because they know sth we don't.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:19 pm EDT

Thank you for your comment Wayne.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:20 pm EDT

Oops - I mean "Billy".

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By Tammy Aug 18th 2007 at 2:01 pm EDT

Keep up the good work Arizona Grandma. I'm on the watch too.

They're desperate.

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By Cilla...Currently living in Spain and lovin' it Aug 18th 2007 at 1:36 pm EDT

LOL!!! Grandma, you caught him too.!!!! Gotta luv Wayne. He does try so hard to stay here. He must really love HIllary and he is probably paid really well,so he has to keep trying.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 2:04 pm EDT

I think we might just get Billy Waynes' vote. It seems as though he's not as blind as he would like for us to believe. Come on over Billy, unjack yourself from the matrix you can do it if you try.

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 18th 2007 at 3:16 pm EDT

Arizona Grandma,

Keep up the good work & great posts !!!

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By Richceo38 Aug 18th 2007 at 4:46 pm EDT

GrandMa you know Billy is Wayne ..I knew this all along....I hope the other regulars have found this out as well...Ignore Billy "Wayne"...but let him speak his mind....

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By MarkieBee Aug 18th 2007 at 12:20 pm EDT

The amount of forums and debates is getting a little ridiculous. We're already starting to see a dropoff in interest and ratings and that will only become more of a problem as the campaign progresses. Victory an be found with more rallies and small-group presentations such as the meeting the other day with the Iowa farmers. But we have to expect Shrillary and her camp to say that Obama isn't interested in talking with the electorate or something along those lines. There will be some snide comment on this decision from one of her hitmen, you can count on it.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:29 pm EDT

The funny thing is...they'll make a snide comment, wait a while, and then follow suit (more flip-flopping). If Hillary keeps up this flip-flopping, she not only will look like a fish, she'll start to smell like one that's been laying on the shore a little too long.

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By Lyn MD Aug 18th 2007 at 12:39 pm EDT

You know you are right.....What is also interesting is I bet there will be fewer if any debates other than the ones that he is in. People won't tune in to see Hillary alone or anyone else.

Remember Biden nor Dodd attended the gay and Lesbian debate. "Bless their hearts" I'm not sure anyone missed them.

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By Tammy Aug 18th 2007 at 2:05 pm EDT

I didn't.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 1:37 pm EDT

This campaign, to some extent, has always been about garnering the voters attention and not getting quality facetime on television. The campaign has the money to buy that and doesn't need to bow and scrape to the MSM to do so. And I have seen too many signs and spoken with too many people to think that national attention and polls are true and accurate barometers of where we stand. There are too many signs to the contrary.

Mustard seeds for everyone!!

Rick

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 1:52 pm EDT

I'm sure the MSM thought we would have to kiss up to them to get exposer. But we are many and we ensure that our campaign is able to compete against the special interest. That's a great position to be in but I take nothing for granted. I'm going make sure I tap out my "Cap" on the contribution side and continue to work even harder on getting people familiar Senator Obama. We need to double our efforts. I'm also going to make some more DVD's to pass out here. I'm hoping to get to camp Obama real soon. I've got my shoulder against the wheel, head down and focused. Obama 08!

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By Ellen from Saint Louis, MO Aug 18th 2007 at 3:03 pm EDT

"It will reduce Obama's face time on national television, while if Hillary and Edwards keep attending the debates they will continue to be seen on national television."

Anything that increases Obama's 'Face Time' with actual voters in IA, NH, SC and elsewhere is better that increasing his 'facetime' with Wolf Blitzer. He has written position papers on the issues, he has been in debates, what more do you want? He is more famous now because he is in magazines, he has to be careful not to get too much publicity of the wrong sort. Very clever, very smart.

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By CK Educators with Obama Aug 18th 2007 at 3:17 pm EDT

Iowa is not a flyover state.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 1:40 pm EDT

Your implication here is that Barack cannot deal with HRC face-to-face. On the contrary, I believe that Barack is more than a match for her. Where the difficulties lie is HRC and the MSM's preference for what I call the "encapsulated soundbite." When Mr. Wolfson actually got into a substantive discussion with Mr. Axelrod after one of those debates, he had his head handed to him, IMO.

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By MarkieBee Aug 18th 2007 at 12:33 pm EDT

Yes she can...she can issue a challenge..but that would never happen, not when you're trying to nurse a big, hollow advantage

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By MarkieBee Aug 18th 2007 at 12:34 pm EDT

Yes she can...she can issue a challenge..but that would never happen, not when you're trying to nurse a big, hollow advantage

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By .mike Aug 18th 2007 at 12:29 pm EDT

totally unconventional, totally obama!

this is an excellent decision

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 7:13 pm EDT

Great campaign slogan! "Totally unconventional. Totally Obama."

Bumper stickers, anyone?

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By Theresa LV Aug 18th 2007 at 7:37 pm EDT

Another that I saw yesterday day was "running on judgement"

I have been reading a lot of messages left by pro-Hillary people on other sites and what I've noticed is that the word "experience" means that she is a pro at twisting words and saying nothing of substance. Her political "experience" amounts to being able to lie and hide the truth and get the unthinking public to buy into it. The corporate media I can understand, they have been paid good money and promised future favors for their support. But how can we be so stupid as to throw away our vote on such a devisive, dishonest, incompetent, arrogant person such as HRC. If people weren't so lazy and would just read and listen, the media's bias wouldn't matter.

We need a statesman not a politician and we have one in Barack Obama.

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By CK Educators with Obama Aug 18th 2007 at 3:14 pm EDT

It's IOWA not IDAHO and you know it. If you are trying to be funny-you need new material.

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By Rosalind Aug 18th 2007 at 12:39 pm EDT

The decision of the campaign to not participate in anymore debates or forums will definite take on a different spin. The media will be so outraged and these debates and forums will no longer be valued without our candidate. I cannot wait to see the first one without him being present. This is what Michelle means when she said we must not be afraid.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:51 pm EDT

Quote from Politico.com...

"Although the Illinois senator has lagged behind Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York in national polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, his record-breaking crowds and fundraising underscore his status as the most exciting candidate in the race. His participation or absence can make or break an event.

It's so true! I think this will show his vast appeal and even MSM will have to comment on the lack of interest when he is not involved. Hillary won't take long to follow suit, rather than be shown as uninteresting.

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By shawnmarie Aug 18th 2007 at 1:10 pm EDT

Hi AZ Grandma-I agree, except for the fact that Hilary will follow. She cannot draw the crowds like Obama can. Even if Obama is able to bring out the debate of MSM problem(what happened to non bias journalism?)Ethics in the way these debates are conducted(hence the Barry Bonds question to Obama, in his home town no less!!!!)Just one example. I for one would love to see this be a national issue of debate. I think Obama just might be on to something. Also, didn't wayne use to take weekends off? shawn marie-MI

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 1:19 pm EDT

I think he takes weekends off when his mommy and daddy are home and limit his computer time - they must be out shopping at WalMart today buying back-to-school supplies and underoos etc.!

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 1:30 am EDT

sshhhh grandma, remember The Secret....

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By Beth in VA Aug 18th 2007 at 2:31 pm EDT

It is incorrect to say he won't appear in any more debates or forums--the press release mentions five more debates! He's just limited it.

In my opinion this shows he is confident enough not to have to pander to everyone who invites him to debate.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 2:58 pm EDT

I would wager that we will not see a situation in which everybody but Obama attends a forum.

Hopefully, what we will see is more pressure on Hillary to spend time on the road herself and...wouldn't you know...actually come up with a PLATFORM. Of course, I doubt whether she will do it. Expect no comprehensive health care or tax policy statements out of her.

I don't think the Clinton campaign is very happy with this news. Having to deal with substance is never good for someone whose only objective in running for President is to become president, period.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 3:50 pm EDT

Uh....yeah. Sure. I think you are a little mixed up here.

There can be no doubt that HRC considers Obama to be a major threat. She has already attacked him. By not debating AS MUCH (note that it does not mean he is not debating at all) he is accomplishing two things:

1) He gets more face time with voters; the ones who count. Remember folks, no national primary, so national polls mean more nothing than state polls meaning nothing.

2) He once again forces Hillary to come after him. She will have to start attacking him via the MSM, who, at some point, WILL start to question (as they did before), "Why is Hillary attacking someone who she is ahead of in the polls if he is a non-factor." Obama's campaign will then "regain" legitimacy (as if it had ever been lost) and the race and "polls" will reflect the difference.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 12:48 pm EDT

Thank you for your comment Wayne...oops I mean "Billy"

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By VTscrapper Aug 18th 2007 at 3:20 pm EDT

Am I missing something? Because I've read several posts today from Billy and haven't noticed anything particularly offensive about his comments. What's up?

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By MTT Aug 18th 2007 at 4:06 pm EDT

I agree - "Billy" seems to be questioning and maybe not cheerleading but that is no reason to go after him. One of the things I like about this blog is that they do allow people with opposing viewpoints as long as no one is being offensive. We don't want to turn into the Hillary blog where only positive posts are allowed. Re. the debates - frankly, there is no real way to say who won the debates because the talking heads would declare the winner, and when something is stated as a fact, the polls follow. Also to call them "debates" is ridiculous - there were very few moments when they were able to get to the depth of any topic - it was all about sound bites(Hillary at the AFLCIO "I am your girl"; Hillary at the LGBT "I am your girl" - pleeese). The "debate" forums so far work well for a candidate without substance(and a come and go Southern accent). Obama's slower thoughtful responses are not a good fit for that circus. So good for Obama for skipping many of them and going to the voters instead. Folks, don't forget to keep giving $$ if you can and encourage others to do so. He will need a lot to get around.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 4:15 pm EDT

While I agree with you that we don't want this to become the Stepford Wives' Candidate Blog, I must admit there is a certain double-speak to Billy's writings when one looks at them more closely. It will not change how I deal with everybody, which is to use honest and civil responses, but I share the misgivings of some of the other posters.

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By MTT Aug 18th 2007 at 5:34 pm EDT

Ok - I did see some "Billy" posts down below and you are right. But anyhow, as long as he is civil, he can post away. Probably the best thing to do with people who are just trying to goad is to ignore them. Like many people did with that "Wayne" character. Would be much more fun to have someone with real questions re. Obama come on this blog.

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 5:49 pm EDT

Let's cut to the chase...

Billy, it appears that some of us have some misgivings about you. Perhaps we've confused you with someone else. Perhaps not.

It really doesn't matter who you are.

What matters is your intention.

Welcome.

Love and hugs,
Aunt Becky

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 4:19 pm EDT

He only serves to make me work harder, contribute more, hand out more flyers and DVD's.

As long as he keeps it civilized I for one say let Billy post.

At least until he starts being wayne again. I would'nt be surprised if he doesnt end up voting for Senator Obama.

Be careful Billy if you hang around here long enough you just might change your mine about divisive politics.

Obama 08!

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By Rosalind Aug 18th 2007 at 12:52 pm EDT

Currently, it seems like he will be attending the prior committed ones, the five DNC debates through the sanctioning period of December 10, Univision, and the two Iowa debates.

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By mariposanegra Aug 18th 2007 at 1:00 pm EDT

True, Billy. Considering the number of times Hillary gets booed when in these debates and forums with Obama, it might be good for him to go easy on her and not have her face off with him one-on-one. Maybe she won't get booed as much now.

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By Tammy Aug 18th 2007 at 2:10 pm EDT

Billy,

Get over yourself. The issue is not hardly going "face to face with Hillary."

Any one of us on this blog could go face to face with Hillary and RIP HER TO SHREDS.

Hillary is a rote learner. All she does is regurgitate poll-tested language and answers.

She gets confused on what she said yesterday and ends up contradicting herself today because she has no depth, no commitment, no sincerity.

Without the media carrying her water, it would be that much clearer to those not on this blog that Hillary is a zero.

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 1:08 pm EDT

I agree with this move, we should not base our votes this time on ads and 60 sec sound bites.

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 1:02 pm EDT

Sen Obama will still participate in at least seven or so debates. That is more than one debate per month. What is the big fuss? Debates are good to give him the much needed national exposure. He needs that exposure and he gets it free if he participates in the debate. It is not just Sen Obama, but Edwards is getting a very bad press, too. Hillary gets lot of spanking by Sean Hannity in the FoxNews.

Sen Obama need to go to FoxNews & MSNBC (HARDBALL) to get more national exposure. Of cours, campaigning is the best way.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 1:17 pm EDT

Thank you for your continued use of copy/paste Wayne...ooops I mean "Billy"

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By royalarc Aug 18th 2007 at 1:20 pm EDT

Your bias shows

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By ◎Desert Dove Dan◎ Aug 18th 2007 at 1:21 pm EDT

Billy, are you having a good time today?

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 1:55 pm EDT

This is the link Billy is talking about Link

I have posted some positive comments there, let's flood it with our support for this move.

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By RAH Aug 18th 2007 at 3:34 pm EDT

those aren't national headlines... those are anti-obama comments from places like MyDD posts. You are writing to may smart and savvy bloggers.

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By Never give up Aug 18th 2007 at 1:09 pm EDT

The MSM will spin this to say that Hillary has been tromping Obama in the debates and he is becoming increasingly scared to be shown with her. Either way it is a no-winner. A great majority of voters do not watch these debates/forums and depend on the media for sound bites and to tell them who won. They will also be listening when the media gets all bent out of shape and slams Obama for not attending. The media is powerful in this country and Obama and his staff must manipulate them as best they can. I think it is bold of the Obama campaign to take this new position. Only time will tell if it was a good decision but there certainly isn't any question at this point that it includes much risk.

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 1:15 pm EDT

Is FoxNews a part of MSM? Sean Hannity regularly chides Hillary for whatever she did 70 some years ago. I agree that many commentators are biased against Sen Obama. But look at the press Edwards is getting, which is of course partly due to his fault. Where is TeamObama when CNN others distorts his viewpoint? If they go there and argue for him, that will give him more national exposure. Don't you think?

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By Beth in VA Aug 18th 2007 at 2:38 pm EDT

Have to disagree--the media is bored with covering the debates. The debate over-kill is already a joke on the talk shows. Of course The Daily Show is way ahead of that curve.

We'll be lucky if they televise even the five scheduled debates in which Obama will appear.

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 1:15 pm EDT

Thank you for your comment Wayne...ooops, I mean "Billy"

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By Cilla...Currently living in Spain and lovin' it Aug 18th 2007 at 1:42 pm EDT

Afraid, no barack Obama is NOT Afraid of Faux Noise. They are deathly afraid of maybe having to say the words: PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. That is Faux Noise's fear.

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By Beth in VA Aug 18th 2007 at 2:34 pm EDT

This decision, and the decision to avoid the biased Fox News, shows he's NOT afraid. He'll do what he thinks is right.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 4:16 pm EDT

Not afraid to appear. Refuses to appear because of distorted and misleading comments that Fox News has still refused to officially retract. There is a difference.....

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 19th 2007 at 1:55 am EDT

Rich,

Agree --- certainly not fear, it's tired of dealing with the divisive,distortive & bias (--which accomplishes nothing)

So this approach is a solution to the pettiness & on to bigger, better, more productive things !!!

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 19th 2007 at 1:57 am EDT

Sorry - typo- my comment was meant for Rick

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 19th 2007 at 8:43 am EDT

Not a problem. I'll answer to anything as long as it's not, "Late for dinner"!! :)

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By Rosalind Aug 18th 2007 at 8:02 pm EDT

Billy,

That is not true, Obama is not afraid of Fox; he just don't trust.

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 1:50 am EDT

Link O'Reilly Lies
Link Obama As A Muslim Extremist - CNN Counters FOX Lies
Link FOX News LIES Again About Obama Attending Muslim Madrasah
Link Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Link Employees Expose FOX NEWS Distortions
Link FOX ATTACKS OBAMA
Link Fox Attacks: Black America
Link Fox News Edits a Democrat to Make Him Look Worse
Link Fox News' O'Reilly Says Possible Sex Abuse Victim Enjoyed It
Link Bill O'Reilly lying

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 1:22 pm EDT

Thank you for your comment Wayne...oooops, I mean "Billy"

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By royalarc Aug 18th 2007 at 1:28 pm EDT

Fox is just mad they ran some unfounded lies and got caught. Who you think will be kissing Barack's a** when he becomes President? MSM, andFox news will be the first ones puckering up!!!

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 1:29 pm EDT

I'll let the other posters here decide who is the one that is angry and full of hate...let them decide.

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By shawnmarie Aug 18th 2007 at 11:02 pm EDT

AZ Grandma-You are not full of hate or anger. You are sweet and a dear. And most of all your loyalty here should not be challenged by the likes of Billy or Wayne. I agree that they are wasted time, but these are not decent people who come here for a decent purpose. I think we should all deal with the Billys and Waynes in the world the way we feel necessary. Some days I felt like ignoring him and others I felt he crossed the line. So no worries and no regrets. shawn marie-MI

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By shawnmarie Aug 18th 2007 at 1:33 pm EDT

Thanking you for your comment Billy is not attacking you. Maybe you're being just a wee bit defensive?

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By Danielo Aug 18th 2007 at 1:51 pm EDT

Billy,
Fox and their kind are traditionally transfixed on bringing out the political divide among americans and not unity of purpose, politics of fear rather than hope, and they believe that if you lie many times it becomes the truth. It would have been prudent for Barack to go to Fox, but their message of fear, divide, lies and shouting matches dont resonate with Obamas politics of change towards unity of purpose. Hannity interview style is that the one who outshouts the other, wins the debate. Quite different from sober interviewers like Larry King.
Billy, 4 more years of fear or hope, take your choice.

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By Bilal from Manassas, VA Aug 18th 2007 at 2:11 pm EDT

Pls you guys should report the imposter called billy to the obama campaing HQ, i have a friend who decided to stop visting this blog yesterday because he said it was full of negative energy from a guy called billy i signed in today and the guy is still here pouring more negative energy and trying to discredit obama on every single issue, am tired of reading meaningless and pointless negative remakes that have no substance from billy, wether we like it or not he will definately convince some people that don't have a very strong support for obama to reason with him and drop their support.

Negative energy is not what we need here, what we need is encouargement cos we know that we are on a very difficult part. The MSM and all those big political wigs are against obama we are trying to fight them as hard as we can so we should'nt allow any body to come to obama's house and spread contempt , no other campaing tolerates badmouthing of their candidate like the obama campaing cos the other campaings know that it will definately affect their campaing in a negative way, remember people are to cynical about politics in the US as i have come to understand, those that are trying to join the band wagon of hope will loose hope if they keep on seeing negative and stupid remarks about obama on his OWN website, so many will think negatively about him too if this is not checked.

It's good to offer constructive critisism, and point out where there are lapses and gaffes but when it's motive is to completely tear down a campaing that i believe is unacceptable and should not be allowed , the obama campaing people are so stupid that they just allow anything to appear on his campaing website, which is absolutely wrong, so many people come here to find out more about barack obama and what he stands for how do you expect them to feel when they keep on seeing negative remarks about obama on his OWN campaing site that are baseless and competely negative? if billy is not banned i will stop visiting this blog and i will never bother to tell any of my american friends about obama again and am SERIOUS.

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By ◎Desert Dove Dan◎ Aug 18th 2007 at 3:27 pm EDT

Bilal don't get upset. There are a lot of us here that have truly listened to Barack's message and agree that it is time to change the way politics is done in America. We have seen right through the media's coverage.

I have noticed that Billy has alot of negative to say about Barack but I have heard nothing positive from him about ANY candidate or ANY issue. You have to ask yourself why is that?

Don't get discouraged, hang in there!

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By CK Educators with Obama Aug 18th 2007 at 11:11 pm EDT

At least Grandma knows the difference between Iowa and Idaho!

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By Arizona Grandma - one of many! Aug 18th 2007 at 1:34 pm EDT

I'm more than happy to let the others here decide who (between the two of us) is angry and full of hate. Anyone have an opinion? (Besides Wayne)

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 18th 2007 at 3:34 pm EDT

Yep---You know this old grandma from the midwest has an opinion!!lol(think maybe it's time to get those clinical descriptions out again &just keep posting them until we get results)

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By shawnmarie Aug 18th 2007 at 1:40 pm EDT

Thanking you for your comment Billy is not attacking you. I too thought you may be some one we only knew as wayne, but Billy it is! Sorry bout that.

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 1:49 pm EDT

This time we the voters should decide who our president should be and not the main street media. If the candidates say they are qualified to be president and want our vote, they should come to us and answer our questions.

They should have more town hall meetings and we will be there with our questions.

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By Connie Aug 18th 2007 at 1:55 pm EDT

without obama, no one will watch the debates. i am so happy for the decision not to attend all these dumb debates, especially after that barry bonds question at the last debate.

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 1:57 pm EDT

This is the link Billy is talking about Link

I have posted some positive comments there, let's flood it with our support for this move.

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 1:58 pm EDT

sorry this is the Link

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By Lyn MD Aug 18th 2007 at 2:01 pm EDT

Been there early...keep the comments (support)coming.

BTW Biily selectively chose comments...there were many supportive ones. But of course we knew that.

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 3:09 pm EDT

Obama will attend the debates at the rate of almost 2 each month (every other week). Debates are good for him. He needs more practice for later debates he might have to engage on (say if he gets the nomination). If one is not that good at something, one should practice that more. I guess you would not be calling these debates, if so called MSM pronounces Obama the winner. And I am no Wayne or Billy.

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By RobynMc Aug 18th 2007 at 2:05 pm EDT

To me, this decision follows this theme. Obama has said that he wants to tell the American People what he thinks and how he'll make decisions.

This is an opportunity to wrestle the control of the campaign back from the media. Of course the media is going to call him a punk because they need something to fill the air in this new 24/7 newcycle. They love the debates because it gives them some drama to talk about (even it they are the ones manufacturing the drama). They like to tell the People who the frontrunner is and who is stumbling.

But the truth is, the American People are looking for someone to answer the complex questions facing us today. They want to hear the complex answers. The debates are too frequent and are not adding much insight into the candidates. I think that Obama taking the time to get out in front of more of "the People" is what a grassroots movement is all about.

Yes, this is a risky strategy. I've been reading comments on different blogs and they are already calling him a coward. But, I am personally tired of politicians that make decisions based mainly of how they will be preceived as opposed to what they truly feel is the best decision. IMHO, Obama's willingness to stand up, make a decision, take the hits and keep moving forward is true leadership!

Keep On Keeping On Obama!

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By Ellen from Saint Louis, MO Aug 18th 2007 at 2:23 pm EDT

oh noooooooo! (sarcasm) Does this mean that we won't have to hear the 'Is he black enough?' about 700 more times? I am sooooo disapointed! NOT!

Let Edwards and Clinton try to make this about Obama 'afraid to confront the issues', Just direct people to the YouTube video of Edwards and Clinton conspiring to bounce Kucinich and Gravel off the stage!

But they won't. That coward, Clinton, will follow Obama as she always does and will greatfully embrace Obama's leadership on this issue as she has on so many others.

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 2:37 pm EDT

Even if we had the best debater in the country in any of the debates, Hillary will be picked as the winner by the media. The only person she will not be able to bet is Bill Clinton. Go figure.

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By Scott Urbanowski Aug 18th 2007 at 2:32 pm EDT

While debates are a crucial part of the campaign, meeting one-on-one with voters is even more important. Wise decision on the Senator's part.

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By Petra from Tucson Aug 18th 2007 at 2:36 pm EDT

David, you've really got BALLS!

Of course, the debates are completely useless: Whoever produces the best sound bit gets the loudest cheers, and Hillary always wins (according to MSM).
Barack has already admitted that producing a 30 second sound bit is not his strenght, so it seems no big loss not participate in every single debate and rather concentrate on what he is really good at: Listen to people.

BUT: I think it was yesterday when the NYT ran a piece about how the debates are harming Obama. The campaign announcement today looks like you agree with this and are indeed scared that your candidate is too weak to stand up against Hillary and co.

Curious to see how that'll work out........

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 3:11 pm EDT

Dont you just love it! Okay, MSM since you refuse to do your job and report the news fairly and factually, we will only attend those debates that are sanction by the DNC. Instead we will use the time to concentrate on taking our message to the voter. Sound pretty solid to me. It not like the MSM was actually reporting the facts following the debates. As far as the negative reporting as a result of this decision, it's going to be hard to beat what they've been doing up 'til now. Push forward Senator Obama. The people are beside you.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 4:03 pm EDT

Actually, yes, we could, and I wouldn't mind being the one to do so. Hillary has already exposed a weakness of changing her words to suit the crowd and the moment. All anyone need do is point it out, as Barack did in the last debate.

I was pretty sure you were intimating Barack is being cowardly with your post above, and now I am positive of it. You will not find any agreement amongst us here, sir. We know better. And you will find out for yourself. Good luck.

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By Bien-Aime Aug 18th 2007 at 8:38 pm EDT

Billy, I don't know about you, I am very confident so are other members on this blog we can debate Hillary and expose all her flaws. Remember Hillary is where she is because she claimed to be the wife of a former president. Otherwise no chance.

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By CK Educators with Obama Aug 18th 2007 at 11:41 pm EDT

Billy, you must be easily impressed. All you need to do is recite or show every instance within the last few months where she has outright contradicted herself and ask her to explain. It's too easy.

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 1:29 am EDT

The audiences at the debates have clearly expressed their opinions and reactions. The media has ignored them and said what meets the needs of their shareholders and advertisers. Short videos to watch: Link * Link *Link * Link * Link * Link
If any other candidate was booed at a debate it probably would have made the news.

Let's start with this: If you're not a part of the solution........ | Report to Admin

By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 4:18 pm EDT

Billy, so far I see a tendency on your part to post problems and nothing else. What would YOU propose as solutions to these problems?

Rick

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 7:22 pm EDT

Wayne, you've disclosed your intention.

Buh-bye!

NOTE: DO NOT RESPOND TO BILLY/WAYNE. We've had this problem before. His purpose is to hijack the threads for the benefit of Hillary.

Following Barack's lead, just don't participate.

Auntie B.

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By royalarc Aug 18th 2007 at 3:47 pm EDT

So you're position is that FoxNews didn't run wild with a story about Barack Obama attending a Madrassa in his youth? Man come up with a better one than that. Your intelligence shows(or lack there of)

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 1:53 am EDT

Link Obama As A Muslim Extremist - CNN Counters FOX Lies

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 2:55 pm EDT

Instead of trying to silence Billy or Wayne, we should be able to wring out positive from whatever negative comments are thrown at us. I agree that Sean Hannity & Bill O"Reilly just try to shout you out and I have written numerous nasty e-mails to them. Guess they won't change. But they also criticize Hillary. They are just partisan Republicans. But Fox has a big following and many of them are ripe to be picked up. If Sen Obama is talking about bringing people together and how he can do that better than Hillary can, then he ought to be able to show that by going to Fox. If he can't even talk to Hannity, how can he bring the country together? I say go to CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NPR, Public TV and whatever else there is (MSM or not). Lary King is too soft and hardly ask any tough questions. When you debate Hannity & beat him, you show your skill and convert some (a few maybe) people.

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By Petra from Tucson Aug 18th 2007 at 3:06 pm EDT

100% agreed - A lot of Republicans actually like Obama. I think he needs to talk to them, it will be important for the election 2008.

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By Beth in VA Aug 18th 2007 at 5:01 pm EDT

Then those Republicans should turn the channel to a real, unbiased news channel and watch him!

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 5:38 pm EDT

I am starting to question whether or not those actually still exist. There seems to be a general trend among all the networks and cable outlets to go for the dramatic-sounding bit, what I call an "encapsulated soundbite". IMO, it's probably a result of of what is fast becoming an impatient society.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 3:46 pm EDT

I say no. Not until they issue a formaly apologize for the lies that they posted about his religous affiliations as well as refering to him as Osama Bin Laden. Out of all the major news casts their coverage has been the most inflammatory. And deceiptful.

As an Indepenent republican leaning voter I disagree that listeners who ONLY watch Fox News are ready for the picking.

I was confronted on this blog by a blogger who considers himself "left of lenin" in his words. He felt offended by my statement that extremists in both parties were were the problem with our political system.

Extremists will only except one view theirs. They are not open to compromise. I would submit to you that anyone who ONLY watch Fox News are not open to compromise.

I could be wrong but judging from the intolerant stances of that channel in particular I doubt it. As this movement picks up momentum there are those who maybe loyal to Fox News that are also willing to find the things that we agree on in order for the country to move forward and I applaud those voters but I don't believe that to be true of those who would ONLY watch fox news.

Having said that, I still would recommend we do fox news but only after they apologize officially for calling Senator Obama, Osama Bin Laden and lying about his religion.

I think that's the least they can do. A certain core of decency is not to much to ask from Fox News and as of yet I have not seen them willing to ackowledge anyones right to disagree with their beliefs. I've never seen them have civility towards anyone who don't agree with them.

I was once a Bill O fan but no more. As for those who support him still, we can agree to disagree. Sean Hannity at least allows the opposing view equal standing. So if Fox News were to step up and apologize for this atrosity I would love to see the Senator do that forum.

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By Bilal from Manassas, VA Aug 18th 2007 at 3:18 pm EDT

Shut up and get lost, obama is the only person that allows this negative remarks about him to be posted on his website, try hillary clinton's web site and see it any of your comments will surface on the blog, we all know that you are trying to spread hate and bring down the campaing, if the obama campaing people will allow you to come into their house and cause chaos then thats up to them, if they feel that its ok to allow you tear down their campaing then its ok for them to do so but i will not allow you to continue with your facade of being a 'real voter' when apparently you are not. you are just an imposter who is trying to infilterate the house and bring it down, if they allow you succeed thats their problem not mine.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 4:21 pm EDT

Careful......remember what happened the last time something like this started......

Everyone, please do NOT make the same mistake people made trying to go toe-to-toe with Wayne. Continue to respond to him with good information and civil discourse.

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 2:07 am EDT

Sorry dude, the blog is what it is. Unfortunately there is no blocking of users, anywhere on any blog on the planet. Users can change their username, create new accounts, and spoof their isp. Any entry level hacker can do this in minutes.

So then, how do we handle ourselves while in the fiery furnace? How can we agree to disagree agreeably? How can we respect those who are diametrically opposed to our viewpoint, and respect their opinion while working out a solution together?

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 19th 2007 at 8:50 am EDT

Well, it may sound stupid, but the simple answer is, make a choice to do so, and have faith that it's the right one. I still maintain that if we were to all maintain the air of decorum people like "Wayne", "Billy", and the rest their ilk would either tone it down or go away. The problem always comes when one of us tries to out-bully the bully.

We also must remember that it is easier to disrupt than it is to keep your calm. There's a reason why virtues are virtuous. They're mighty hard to maintain sometimes! :)

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By royalarc Aug 18th 2007 at 3:05 pm EDT

Woe to those who pledge allegiance to the dark
which brings the foundations of the Earth to a crumble.

Woe to those that posses the light
and hide in secrecy do the mumble.

Woe to this generation and the next
until prophecy is fulfilled.

Woe to those that drowns in the valley, for not attempting to climb the hill.

Go Obama

Malik AL Muntakeem (aka... royalarc)

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 11:46 pm EDT

That's pretty deep. I like it. Where did you find that quotation??

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By royalarc Aug 18th 2007 at 3:07 pm EDT

I've been contemplating for years about man's existence in the religious, historical, and a moral sense. Looking at all of the great civilizations of man's history, Egyptians (African), Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Islamic, Jewish ect.... ect... I've come to this conclusion. "The purpose of our own existence is to further the cause of the next generation and generations to come."

Go Obama

Malik AL Muntakeem (aka... royalarc)

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By Donna NH - Thank you my fellow Granite Staters! Yes we did! Aug 18th 2007 at 3:25 pm EDT

Here are some great comments I found on CNN's website about this post.

What a great idea. Mr. Obama can indeed spend quality time getting to know the voters up close and personal. He can also not be as concerned about the nitpicking which has become quite irritating and noticeable. Finally, overexposture will not be an issue since by now, real political observers practially know what each will say as soon as the question is asked. The question is, how will his non-participation affect the other candidates since they all seem to want to make him the punching bag. I applaud Mr. Obama for this strategy.

Posted By Barbara, San Antonio : August 18, 2007 2:48 pm

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This is a good strategy by the Obama Campaign. I think it's important to spread out the different campaining methods because not everyone is able to view or attend events and they deserve to hear from the candidates too.

You can't poll and debate your way to the White House. At some point, you have to talk to the actual voters one on one. I expect to see other canidiates scale back on debates as well. In the mean time, Hillary and Edwards should be happy that they now have an additional 5 to 10 whole minuets to debate seeing that they wanted to limit the mumber of people in the first place. LOL

Posted By DR : August 18, 2007 2:54 pm

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Good.

There are way too many debates anyway. Obama should limit his debates to just the meaningful ones and the DNC sactioned debates. That's all. This other stuff is meaningless and before the debate get's going, the Media has already decided that Hillary won despite the polls after that show that Obama or Edwards won. So, why be in them? Hillary has already won them all according to the Media.

Posted By Wynter Greens , Portland Oregon : August 18, 2007 2:58 pm

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 3:45 pm EDT

What I want to hear? With a compressed primary schedule we feel it is best to be among the voters - listening, sharing, and crafting a vision for a better AMERICA.

Then a point.

EVEN though voters in Iowa and NH can look at the sites, watch the debates, and read the same stuff we all do- they do NOT want to give up their face time.

In Iowa the voters look forward to and attend candidate events. They look at it as duty and so it is implied candidate should do the same.

I wonder what is it about face time? Is it you want to access that gut feeling/thought you have when you first meet someone in person? Seeing him in person validates his run or legitimacy for the office?

So no matter how many debates or forums he attends what really matters to these voters is that they were able to have their face time.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 4:17 pm EDT

I believe the other candidates will follow Obama's lead. They will say that meeting with the voters one on one is what their "true" campaign is all about.

Thanks again Sen. Barack Obama for thinking outside the box. I cannot wait to call you President instead of Senator.

OBAMA '08

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By Beth in VA Aug 18th 2007 at 5:04 pm EDT

I bet you're right. The article posted up above noted that other campaigns have thought the same thing, but Obama was ahead of the curve.

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By Almak Aug 18th 2007 at 7:13 pm EDT

They will follow the leader.

We expect more negative attacks and this movement will turn this around. We will find a way and think outside the box.

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 7:38 pm EDT

YEp- so far who also is on the bandwagon and this happened today..

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 5:40 pm EDT

Here's a guess: Television, for all its technological wonder, is still only two-dimensional. It can be hard to get a read on things like body language and the look in a person's eye from a flat-screen TV. But it's hard to avoid such evaluations in real-time, live-action 3-D when you're looking them right in the eye. Could be wrong, but that's my guess.....

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 7:39 pm EDT

AH good point.

Sincerity - best in person don't you think?

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 8:25 pm EDT

Yep. Which is why I can't WAIT for Obama to come to Pittsburgh in a couple of months, if the rumors are true. Definitely taking a personal day that day......

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 9:28 pm EDT

Yeah Rick, I was trying to wait until he came to Ohio but I'm so pumped up until I've decide to volunteer down in Conway, SC on the 23rd. I'm packing up and heading south on Tue. or Wed.

Obama 08!

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 11:21 pm EDT

I'm jealous! I have to teach band camp again this week, so I can't go....oh, well.....

Make sure you take some mustard seeds with ya!

Have a safe trip!

Rick

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 11:35 pm EDT

Thanks Rick, will do!

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By Chima "Hussein" Ordu Aug 18th 2007 at 4:02 pm EDT

All,
apparently John Edwards had done an about face (flip flop) about talking to our enemies. Remember during the Youtube debate...he agreed with Hillary...now he's sounding like Obama...how lame is this guy?

I'm waiting for Hillary to call Edwards "naive"...of course we all know it won't happen, and CNN won't rush to her for comment on what Edwards said as CNN does whenever Obama says anything.

Sheesh.

Link

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By Velda Aug 18th 2007 at 4:33 pm EDT

Maybe he's gunning for the Vice Presidency again. :)

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 11:16 pm EDT

LOL

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By Elaine from West Hollywood, CA Aug 18th 2007 at 4:04 pm EDT

I'm a marketing person. NOW is the time to begin a national TV ad campaign, with Barack talking to the people about issues. Yesterday, would be even better. I know you have a plan, but if you don't start national TV now, you'll never recover from the Hillary numbers. I was hoping Barack would start first, but she's doing TV ads in Iowa right now, as I write this. Standing in a row of highly interesting and good candidates, he's one of the pack. It's a good pack, but Barack needs his star power back, and the only way to do it is TV ads on a national schedule. It's not like you don't have the money. Think marketing, f'god's sake!

Does anybody actually read these things? If so, could you please pass this message to someone who might understand the concept of "product placement"? ARGgggg!

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By Lyn MD Aug 18th 2007 at 4:14 pm EDT

Obama has had ads in Iwoa for several weeks ( To see go to Iwoa link...they are there, he has 3 ads ) and I am sure as soon as Labor Day is over and people are back from vacation he will start a broader campaign. Why waste money if no one is listening.

PS Great idea though

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By Petra from Tucson Aug 18th 2007 at 4:15 pm EDT

Well, I hope SOMEONE at HQ is reading this!
But you can also contact the campaign directly. Send them an email, or, even better, call them.
I think you're right, by the way. And with all the money Obama has in the bank now, he should be able to afford an ad or two.....
Still, I also think he should sit down with all the prime time talkmasters. Jon Stewart is good, but I wish he would also go to Oprah and all these folks. I am not watching any of the shows, but others do. And especially women - he needs to win them over, they still favor Hillary. And having said that, get Michelle on Oprah, too. And that won't even cost any campaign money : )

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By hawkjt Aug 18th 2007 at 4:44 pm EDT

There is over 120 days to go til the iowa caucus.. winning caucus' and primaries trumps all the national advertising in the world. Burning up valuable ad money now in Ca. would be a waste.. you hit it hard after you win NH , Michigan and SC while the iron is hot. Momentum is everything.

As far as the debates- are there even any others that are going to take place in the next 4 months that he is passing on? This announcement simply precludes cluttering up a busy debate schedule with unexpected additional ones for the local 4-H Club of Pocahontas County or whatever. Any suggestion that Barack has not held his own in the debates is biased. He has not dominated either but the focus groups have consistently had him as the top guy. No, this is a good idea as everyone has said, this is retail politics in Iowa,NH,SC and Michigan now. And with Michigan moving up.. much more barack time is going to be required there than previously planned for . this is about best use of a limited commodity- Barack Obama. Now, that said, lets hope he goes out tomorrow and has as good a debate as possible with limited time to answer. Why do they not give at least 3 minutes for the big issue questions at theses things? Hope Barak will have a presence on campus on Iowa football saturdays like the first home game which is a 7 PM start which means 70,000 tailgaters hanging out all afternoon in Iowa City in a good mood who will be willing to listen to short pitches on a bright future with barack at the helm. Go obama, go hawks.

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By MW Aug 18th 2007 at 5:30 pm EDT

I agree completely. Now is the time to start national ads.

IMHO, the first should be that golden clip of Obama on the Berkowitz show in 2002, absolutely nailing it on Iraq. He said that the problem was that the Sunnis, Shia and Kurds might start fighting each other.

It's short, it emphasizes judgment, and it's the best possible introduction.

Barack has had ads up in the early primary states for quite awhile. They're good ads, but they don't address the "experience" issue.

I'm just waiting to see that ad, especially here in California.

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 7:44 pm EDT

I LOVED him on Conan Obrien- when Conan had the show broadcast from Chicago. Barack Obama was so easy going and joking, even leaning back in his chair.

He has an ease about him.

That cannot be taught.

Excited and focused, or scared and distracted? | Report to Admin

By Nancy M. Aug 18th 2007 at 4:20 pm EDT

I am an Obama supporter. My first visit here was a couple of weeks ago, and I kept coming back because I was impressed by the energy and articulate discussions of the issues and the great ideas that were being generated. I thought the postings were similar in style to Obama's approach: thoughtful and intelligent.

I looked at the Clinton blog for comparison and saw mostly "I love HIllary" and comments like that. There was nothing there to even learn from, and I will not go back.

I wondered if anyone had noticed that all the smart people are voting for Obama. I saw the table of videos on the issues that someone from this blog put together, and I thought that of course we would win this election. With this intelligence and energy, how could we not win?

I know people who are undecided, and I thought that I would send them to these Obama blogs where they could get great information from real people. I was sure that would give them what they needed to make a good decison.

But then the tone changed. It seemed to be more scared than smart. More worried about what the media says than about what Obama has to offer. More caught up in the back-and-forth with Wayne than sharing our excitement and concrete ideas about what we can do to get Obama's message out.

I want this to be a place where Obama people can come to connect with other Obama people. I want this to be a place where undecided people can come to learn more about Obama. If undecideds learn more about Obama and ultimately decide on someone else, that's okay. But we have the ability to be ambassadors for Obama, and I hope this space can return to the place I found a couple of weeks ago - a place that pulls people in with thoughtfulness and intelligence and hope.

I agree with those who have suggested ignoring those who are not here to either support Obama or to learn. It's what they say to do when training a puppy: reward behavior that's desirable and ignore any negative, undesirable behavior.

If non-supporters ask why we feel Barack's experience has prepared him for the presidency, for example, we answer. If ithey are baiting or wasting our time, we post "ignoring this thread". We lose if we take the bait.

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By Chima "Hussein" Ordu Aug 18th 2007 at 4:26 pm EDT

Nancy...well said. That's why I been ignoring "Billy" aka Wayne.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 4:35 pm EDT

I totally agree. This should be a blog to come up with constructive and creative ideas on getting the word out for Barack Obama. When we engage with someone who is being divisive we are wasting energy. We can see through the ones that are by posting negative press, and ridiculous poll numbers over and over again. You can't convince these people.

I am for open dialogue, but only if it serves a greater purpose.

OBAMA '08

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 4:36 pm EDT

There is actual blogging going on by supporters and groups that organize and have a group blog.

The community is active and open and I encourage anyone to visit and join those. They can be a positive experience for supporters and undecideds

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 4:40 pm EDT

Hello Mid-America Mom,

Do you know the name of any of those? I would like to visit those sites.

Thanks.

OBAMA '08

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 7:34 pm EDT

HI- this site!!! "My groups"

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 19th 2007 at 2:12 am EDT

Also under your BarackObama.com - "My Events" ---"Find an Event"-- just fill in your zip code & it lists all upcomming events in your area.

There's all kinds of really great things on this website--Once you fill out a Profile, check them out.

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By ◎Desert Dove Dan◎ Aug 18th 2007 at 4:41 pm EDT

I totally agree. After reading both of Senator Obama's books I came to the conclusion that this man was truly a different sort of politician.

He's thoughtful, intelligent and most of all, Honest. I just continue to talk to people who are undecided about the 2008 campaign and ask them to really "listen" to what ALL of the candidates are saying.

If one truly listens I feel that they will come to the same conclusion that I did. Barack Obama is a man of the people and really does want to include everybody in the process.

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By Sharon Aug 18th 2007 at 4:49 pm EDT

Nancy: Thank you for this articulate summary and for sharing this observation. This blog has the power to be an asset to the campaign, or it can detract from it. No one should feel as if they have to prove that they are a true supporter if they express a difference of opinion. Let's continue the intelligent, meaningful exchanges. Let's continue to share articles and videos. Let's welcome newcomers and problem solve concerns and questions. Peace.

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By Elaine from West Hollywood, CA Aug 18th 2007 at 5:23 pm EDT

Hi. Numbers are only part of the equation. The reason cable shows like "Mad Men", "Saving Grace" and "The Closer" are on in the summer is because it's the right audience, not the biggest. I read there was an article in yesterday's (8/17) New York Times that suggested that the debates work against Obama. And they do. He's one of many, and he made his mark, mediawise, as "a rising star". In a TV ad, he's a star again, and his message gets across at the same time.

I hope we can agree to disagree...

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 5:59 pm EDT

Elaine,

You bring up a very interesting point. My only thought is whether it is a case of Obama not doing as well in the debate format or simply that he is choosing to distinguish himself in his answers.

Everybody has noticed that Obama is different when he answers a question in the debates. By making his statement about those who voted for the war are now attacking him, he has shown (at least in my book) that he can deal with attacks in that forum. Hillary makes statements that in previous debates would have brought thunderous applause, yet she gets booed.

Why would that be? The only reason I can think of is that the American people have endured six-plus years of soundbites such as "Stay the course", War on Terror", and the like. I wonder if we haven't finally had enough of it, and have become repulsed by it.

The Mainstream Media (or as my friend Mehari likes to call it, the Corporate Media) has thrived on reporting such well-executed soundbites for years. And it is no surprise that they would call Hillary the winner for executing them. But there are other indicators that this supposedly time-tested formula isn't working. Indicators such as focus groups going out for Obama, the large numbers of crossover voters, and early number of them at that. And this doesn't even get into the fundraising data.

I think that the other campaigners are using the same old playbook from the last war. Obama, with his unparalleled vision, has written a new one.

Mustard seeds for everyone!

Rick

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By Diamond -- IrishAmericansForObama Aug 18th 2007 at 6:01 pm EDT

Great thoughts Nancy.

To summarize:
Ignore Wayne/Billy- this schizophrenic is not interested in learning. He only wants strife.

The time has past for arguments. let's concentrate on the issues.

Let's share ideas and organize our efforts.

Let's welcome newcomers and point them to the right way. I or better still, we have said this several times before- WAYNE/BILLY IS A NOTICE-SEEKER WHO'S DISTRACTING US.

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By Elaine from West Hollywood, CA Aug 18th 2007 at 6:20 pm EDT

In partial answer to Rick, from years of observing people getting coached to speak under all kinds of circumstances, here's what I think of Obama's delivery. He's a novice, and it shows. He's smart enough and charismatic enough to carry his weight, but he's not at ease enough to emerge from the pack - which he would, if he had the delivery, since he's clearly the most qualified. I think to meet maximum potential takes time. Like years. Everyone else in the top tier on that stage has just had more experience. That's why I love the idea of national ads. He can control the content and the presentation, and he's at his best when he's talking to big groups of people.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 8:11 pm EDT

Interesting....let me chew on that a bit...

Rick

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 8:29 pm EDT

Okay, I've thought about it. And I think that we are both right. To some extent he will continue to be somewhat upstaged at debates by those who are more well-schooled in the art of the old-style presidential debate. BUT, I still think he has decided to go his own way on this.

Either way, I agree with your idea of national TV ads/time, etc. It's a great way to get his message out to the individual voter and NO ONE can spin it before it gets to them.

Thanks for the informative and thought-provoking posts! Have an extra mustard seed! :)

Rick

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 9:15 pm EDT

Rick,
I don't think ANY candidate (whosoever) has the resources for a truly national campaign and/or ad. It just requires too much money, if by national ad you mean advertising in TV in all 50 states. Radio ad is little cheaper. Therefore, almost everybody is concentrating on putting ad in the early primary states. The theory is if you win enough of those early states, mo will carry you.

The only way to put national ad will be to go to the national TV shows free (MSNBC HARDBALL, CNN, National Public Radio & TV, CBS, FoxNews exclusive with Alan Colmes, FoxNews Sunday , ThisWeek in ABC.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 11:27 pm EDT

The problem with going onto those political shows is once again the size of the viewing audience. I don't think that many people that the campaign is trying to target watch those, even though we do.

A smartly run ad or event would garner some national attention and might take some wind out of the HRC blow-me-up machine. It doesn't have to be an all-out blitz, but it should be something that raises his name awareness with the public. It would make sense to hammer more of the early primary states, but it wouldn't hurt to run even an introductory ad in some other markets which will heat up after the initial ones.

Rick

Mustard seeds for everyone!

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 11:46 pm EDT

Rick - what is the mustard thing about? I am like I must be having a "moment" cuz I do not get it.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 11:48 pm EDT

It's based on the mustard seed parable in the Bible. "If ye but have faith the size of a mustard seed..."

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 2:38 am EDT

Elaine & Rick - wow interesting discussion. When you say it takes years to craft effective debating, it makes me think that maybe Obama has to choose between studying for debates and creating soundbytes OR listening and learning the will of the people face to face. Instead of choosing what has won elections in the past, he is going deeper into the grassroots and connecting with the people directly, bypassing corporate media. I am glad he made this decision.

Barack Obama said, "It's just not my style to go out of my way to offend people or to be controversial just for the sake of being controversial. That's offensive and counterproductive. It makes people feel defensive and more resistant to changes." Link

Apply that logic to the debates, and see how they are opposite from this statement of purpose and philosophy.

Also, Ghandi did the same thing (travelled the country and met the people) and became one of the most trusted and powerful leaders in history.

We are on the beginning of something transformational here, boys and girls. And I am so grateful to God to be a part of it. (Hold on to your hats!)

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By Chima "Hussein" Ordu Aug 18th 2007 at 4:48 pm EDT

HRC's people are attacking Obama for his decision to cut back on the debates.
From Time.com:

The spinning has already started. A source close to the Clinton campaign fired a zinger off quickly: "So he'll meet with dictators but not the black caucus or seniors in Iowa?"

Typical GOP-style attack from HRC Inc.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 5:01 pm EDT

That was to be expected. The Hillary camp is beside themselves because the only way Hillary can campaign is in debates and forums. I heard one of her stump speeches and it lacked passion and enthusiasm.

The Obama campaign is very smart. They are getting his name in the media again. I am sure they will bring this up in tomorrow's debate about him limiting his debate and forum appearances.

I think the tide is turning in our favor. I just feel it.

OBAMA '08

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By Cilla...Currently living in Spain and lovin' it Aug 18th 2007 at 5:06 pm EDT

I guess someone at the "I Love Hillary Campaign" forgot that SENATOR OBAMA IS A MEMBER OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CACUS IN WASHINGTON D.C. I think the Clinton campaign is really streaching it a it when they mention any kind of "black cacus".They really need to check themselves. Barack his truly leading the way and is going to be leading come late 2008.

Smile.

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By metricpenny Aug 18th 2007 at 5:08 pm EDT

And if the Obama campaign responds in kind then they'll send Senator Clinton out to call it "silly".

Have you seen the "Invisible" ad she is running in Iowa?

I have. My assessment is that she believes people of color in Iowa (and the country since it's all over the internet) of voting age are "invisible". Not one adult person of color is featured in the ad.

To steal from a Nat King Cole song --

Invisible.
That's what Senator Clinton believes people of color are.
Invisible.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 5:14 pm EDT

That's amazing! I saw that exact comment posted just below a New York Times article reporting on the Obama campaign decision. Ir was the first comment out. Their hate campaigns never wait. I will post there now.

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By monica Aug 18th 2007 at 5:23 pm EDT

Good that she makes those kind of reactionary statements, now she's locking herself into attending all the debates herself. If she doesn't she'll yet again come across as a hypocrite. She should have taken a moment to think before speaking. She should know any debate without Obama won't be interesting and she knows she likes to follow in his footsteps. But now she'll have to be in debates even without him, how boring that will be.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 5:28 pm EDT

This will be the issue of the week on the political shows.

Hold on to your hats, the MSM is going to run with this.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 6:18 pm EDT

I'm thinking that's what HQ is betting on!

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By Almak Aug 18th 2007 at 5:34 pm EDT

To be honest Sen. Obama does not need to respond to her.

The country is angry right now and it takes too much time to fight a worthless war of words.Let her camp blow hot air and spin it all they want.Maybe they will sleep better at night.

The movement is and will focus its energies in getting the word out.A need for change and hope that a better tomorrow is possible.A world as it should be.

The sprint is on!

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By Mehari Aug 18th 2007 at 5:19 pm EDT

Yesterday on Hardball CM had a BIG STORY with "can you believe this" kind of presentation about what Dick Cheney said about Iraq in 1994. And all the blog pages read "check this out on U tube".

I agree it shows the hypocricy of Cheney and suggests that it is further proof that he sold the war to the American people knowing that it probably was going to have a devastating effect.

But the BIG STORY that CM didn't even try to entertain is the failure of the corporate media to raise the same question in 2002 or 2003. For the big Corporate Media, with all the resources they have to wait 5 years and jump on a story uncovered by regular citizens on U tube is pathetic.Either they knew it and they didn't say anything about it so that they are not called "unpatriotic" or they slept on the switch until they are awakened by citizen journalism 5 years later. Either way it is utterly pathetic.

Thanks for alternative media we are much better of. I feel very sorry for people who make their decisions mostly based on what pundits say on those Corporate Media outlets.

By the way lets stop addressing them as MSM. We are the mainstream and they are the Corporate Media as the editorial decision is made for them by the corporations rather than journalists.

And for Camp Obama, we shouldn't be discouraged by what the corporate media says because every day evidence is surfacing that they are detached from reality and/or they dont want to talk about the reality.

Keep your eyes on the prze!!

Cultivate those mustard seedds.....Rick

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 6:51 pm EDT

Oh Rick, YES! "Corporate Media".
I'll buy you a mustard seed martini for that one!

Love and hugs,
Aunt Becky

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By Foreigner Aug 18th 2007 at 9:34 pm EDT

Help! What is the reference to 'Mustard Seed' that pops up frequently? I don't know. My guess is... 'if ye have faith as small as a mustard seed' etc. Please let me know, if you don't mind. Ta!

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 9:48 pm EDT

You've got it Foreigner!! The faith of a mustard seed moves mountains.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 11:30 pm EDT

You've got it, Foreigner! I am doing my best to help spread, plant, maintain, and grow people's faith in Mr. Obama and what he is trying to do. The mustard seed parable from the Christian Bible is a perfect reference for what is happening here. Wanna help?

Rick

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By Foreigner Aug 18th 2007 at 9:59 pm EDT

Help! What is the reference to 'Mustard Seed' that pops up frequently? I don't know. My guess is... 'if ye have faith as small as a mustard seed' etc. Please let me know, if you don't mind. Ta!

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By shawnmarie Aug 19th 2007 at 12:06 am EDT

Very well put Mehari and so true. Great observation.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 5:25 pm EDT

I just posted a response on the New York Times article about Barack's decision about limited debate appearances.

If you can, please post your responses in favor of this decision.

OBAMA '08

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By Lorraine Aug 18th 2007 at 5:35 pm EDT

I think the important part of this change in strategy is that Barack is going to spend his time listening to the people of America - something the other candidates have for the most part blatantly ignored.

And answering the People's questions.

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By Dyna Aug 18th 2007 at 6:11 pm EDT

I'm a firm Obama supporter, but I'm not sure if I like this decision. Retail politics is great, but there's a universe of 1,000,000 potential Iowa caucus attendees, and even if Barack talks to 1,000 a day he'd barely have time to speak to 10% of them before the Iowa caucuses. The various forums and debates are a chance for Barack to get his message out to more people, and he needs to make as many as possible.

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By Ben Main Aug 18th 2007 at 7:38 pm EDT

But here's the great thing about that: those 10% will go out and talk to their friends, neighbors, and relatives. Obama doesn't need to talk to every caucus goer to adequately spread his message. Given the relatively low ratings of the debates, and their sound-bite nature, I think that retail politics will be much more effective than a debate or forum.

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 18th 2007 at 8:31 pm EDT

And don't think that he is just going away from debates. He is just cutting back on committing to so many of them.

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By Dyna Aug 18th 2007 at 6:12 pm EDT

I'm a firm Obama supporter, but I'm not sure if I like this decision. Retail politics is great, but there's a universe of 1,000,000 potential Iowa caucus attendees, and even if Barack talks to 1,000 a day he'd barely have time to speak to 10% of them before the Iowa caucuses. The various forums and debates are a chance for Barack to get his message out to more people, and he needs to make as many as possible.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 6:03 pm EDT

Tanner, I just did the same. Pity that the Hillary people obviously got there first, but you, I and others can help to re-establish the balance of power.

I encourage the rest of you to post comments for this NYT story. Look at the comment by "Dave D." I think it is - clearly a Hillary operative.

To read the story and post a comment:

Link

There are also comments posted on The Politico's story, with some calling Obama a coward. You can send your rapid-response comments to:

Link

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By monica Aug 18th 2007 at 9:54 pm EDT

I posted comments on politico, thanks for the link:
I wrote:
Most Americans don't even watch the debates. I've seen all of them, both republican and democratic. But I've found no one else has. It seems the media is the main one interested in these superficial formats, for the revenue they generate. Obama would be happy to debate Hillary or any candidate one-on-one, where the other candidates can't hide their sound byte answers with a 60 second time restraint. Barack is not in the "bumper sticker" business, he's willing to talk to any group that's willing to give him more than a few seconds to answer questions. Barack is turning the page, he wants to talk to the people. Remember, Hillary already said she doesn't think a candidate should tell the people everything she really thinks, so I guess the artificial debate forums are a great vehicle for her to express her half truths (by her own admission).

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 6:08 pm EDT

Here is the Washington Post's take on Obama's decision:

Link

....and feel free to fill the comments section with praise for Obama's decision....

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By Chima "Hussein" Ordu Aug 18th 2007 at 6:26 pm EDT

I've posted my comments on CNN, Washington Post and Time.com

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 6:48 pm EDT

Obama talks about transparency.

What a marvelous way to tackle the media while making pit stops across Iowa. "I want you to hear my words right from my mouth, not secondhand through the media. We need transparency."

POW! A left hook to MSM.

Here's the way I see it...

Obama draws MSM audiences to forums and debates. He's the "curiosity". Now, what happens when the "curiousity" decides to cut through the media bullcrap and go right to the people?

How many people will be motivated to watch "Hillary and The Battle of the Bores"? Looks to me like there's gonna be a loss of viewership. Lower ratings. Fewer sponsers clamoring for spots.

Awwwww... poor MSM!

MSM has no integrity.

The Empress has no clothes.

Love and hugs,
Aunt Becky

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 8:25 pm EDT

Amongst the many reasons why the Empress has no clothes is because the Empress has no platform.
Hillary's campaign is more of a personality cult than anything else. Its only message is: Get me elected.

When she digresses on the issues, she is said to be rather boring. She drones on about "best practices" and other such things. Even Bill Clinton seemed bored while listening to her when he accompanied her to Iowa recently.

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 2:51 am EDT

WOW! Good point Aunt Becky.

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By Randy from Escondido, CA Aug 18th 2007 at 6:49 pm EDT

I applaud the campaigns decision. These are smart folks and they recognize his enormous potential.

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By Tom Brown, Yonkers HS 1966 Aug 18th 2007 at 7:09 pm EDT

Bravo! Another sound decision by the candidate that has clearly demonstrated leadership and a fresh way of thinking. I feel proud to be an Obama supporter at times like this. Keep up the good work, I live in Vermont but spend a lot of time volunteering in NH. I think I will start trying to spend even more time there.

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By Joseph from Castaic, CA Aug 18th 2007 at 10:08 pm EDT

Randy, if they are so smart why is he having trouble gaining ground on Hillary.This decision has the perception of being cowardly.While I support Obama I really don't like the way this campaign is being run.The next president will face issues that will determine America's advancement or decline in the world,and voters know this.You must exude confidence and courage not weakness and retreat if you expect to be president in these troubled times.Notice how the public's disapproval of congress is based on the democratic party's refusal to cut off funding of the war.Obama should challenge Hillory to a debate to quell any perception of being fearful of a debate.Take the offensive and take no prisoners.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 11:03 pm EDT

Joseph,

This campaign is not showing weakness. It showing something we haven't seen before in a Presidential bid. When something is different people have a tendency to be afraid. Barack talking about foreign policy, health care, and his stance on PAC's and lobbyist is something the voting public hasn't seen in a generation. It is not weakness. It is a different approach.

If Barack ran his campaign the old fashioned way we would not see the level of passion and grassroot enthusiam that he brings out.

Don't let the press convolute your thinking that Barack is weak or inexperienced. I will take good judgement any day than so called "experience".

How small is a mustard seed? :)

OBAMA '08

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 19th 2007 at 12:01 am EDT

They're pretty small, but they're powerful! That just means you can take more of them with you to pass out to everyone!(Which is something I encourage everyone to do...)

Rick

Mustard seeds for everyone!!

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By Joseph from Castaic, CA Aug 19th 2007 at 10:43 am EDT

I have been working with Common Cause on many of these issues long before anyone heard the name of Barrack Obama.I am not influenced by the media just the common sense notion that perception matters in politics.If these debates are not good venues for leading candidates ,the way to change that is to challenge Hillory to debate foreign policy one on one.Lets put it on either NPR radio or PBS and offer real debates to all serious candidates so we can adhere to the Fairness Doctrine,but do it head to head.If Hillory refuses to debate she loses and if she takes him on she loses.We don't need a moderator in a real debate.What we have seen are not debates but sound bite moments.Like Napoleon and Alexander the Great,you need to understand the concept of tactical advantage.You pick the time and place to fight not your opponent.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 11:11 pm EDT

SSSSSH! Let just see what happens. Loose Lips sink ships:) I think we are all going to have to realize that the clinton machine is a formadable one. They've paid off and influenced a lot of people. I'm going to keep an open mind about this, it seems that one could call this decision not only unconventional but brave as well. We will win this election make no mistake about that.

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By Randy from Escondido, CA Aug 19th 2007 at 8:03 pm EDT

Hi Joe,

National polls mean nothing and therefore it means nothing to gain ground on her. Indeed, recent early state polls might mean more (where most I've seen shows them tied) but even then I've read elsewhere most Iowans make their final decision in the last two weeks before the primary. Think of Howard Dean and what I've said will make sense to you. It is very smart to try and reach as many of the voters in these early states as possible and talk to them individually. I'm very proud of the folks running this campaign and Obama is well served by them as they say.

Cheers

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 18th 2007 at 7:25 pm EDT

Their campaign strategy is brillant!!! (folks we have just seen the beginning of it ).

The competition might have bought most of the press & the news channels----but they CANNOT buy the American people.

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By Lorraine Aug 18th 2007 at 7:48 pm EDT

I went to check if my post was up at the NY Times/there are many posts at the NY Times about Obama's campaign decision/many, many positive posts!

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By Nancy M. Aug 18th 2007 at 7:26 pm EDT

I am an Obama supporter. My first visit here was a couple of weeks ago, and I kept coming back because I was impressed by the energy and articulate discussions of the issues and the great ideas that were being generated. I thought the postings were similar in style to Obama's approach: thoughtful and intelligent.

I looked at the Clinton blog for comparison and saw mostly "I love HIllary" and comments like that. There was nothing there to even learn from, and I will not go back.

I wondered if anyone had noticed that all the smart people are voting for Obama. I saw the table of videos on the issues that someone from this blog put together, and I thought that of course we would win this election. With this intelligence and energy, how could we not win?

I know people who are undecided, and I thought that I would send them to these Obama blogs where they could get great information from real people. I was sure that would give them what they needed to make a good decison.

But then the tone changed. It seemed to be more scared than smart. More worried about what the media says than about what Obama has to offer. More caught up in the back-and-forth with Wayne than sharing our excitement and concrete ideas about what we can do to get Obama's message out.

I want this to be a place where Obama people can come to connect with other Obama people. I want this to be a place where undecided people can come to learn more about Obama. If undecideds learn more about Obama and ultimately decide on someone else, that's okay. But we have the ability to be ambassadors for Obama, and I hope this space can return to the place I found a couple of weeks ago - a place that pulls people in with thoughtfulness and intelligence and hope.

I agree with those who have suggested ignoring those who are not here to either support Obama or to learn. It's what they say to do when training a puppy: reward behavior that's desirable and ignore any negative, undesirable behavior.

If non-supporters ask why we feel Barack's experience has prepared him for the presidency, for example, we answer. If ithey are baiting or wasting our time, we post "ignoring this thread". We lose if we take the bait.

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By J. Lowe Aug 19th 2007 at 3:12 am EDT

Yeah I agree that the blogs are a tough ring to hang in. I do not recommend the blog unless they are experienced bloggers or have earned their 'geek' status in other ways. Politics is a tough game, and the issues are ones that turn a rational individual into a foaming cussing anger machine regardless of which side of the issue they are on (gays, war, abortion, immigrants, religion).

For new people, I would direct them to the BarackTV videos to learn more, or suggest that they submit a policy idea or personal story to MyPolicy (found under the Issues button) so that their voices are immediately heard and they make an important contribution quickly and easily.

The MyPolicy system shows how Obama is applying the philosophy he is teaching on the road. It is probably the aspect of the website that I recommend most.

For you, I recommend that you join some local and issues based groups. This is one of the best ways to keep connected with others. The listserv sends out updates and shares important information. Plus, the blogs within the group are more respectful. Kinda like joining a ministry in church, the groups are the best way to make solid connections. Go to Groups, then click on 'find a group' to poke around for some. You can click on my username and see the ones i am in.

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By Nancy M. Aug 18th 2007 at 7:26 pm EDT

I am an Obama supporter. My first visit here was a couple of weeks ago, and I kept coming back because I was impressed by the energy and articulate discussions of the issues and the great ideas that were being generated. I thought the postings were similar in style to Obama's approach: thoughtful and intelligent.

I looked at the Clinton blog for comparison and saw mostly "I love HIllary" and comments like that. There was nothing there to even learn from, and I will not go back.

I wondered if anyone had noticed that all the smart people are voting for Obama. I saw the table of videos on the issues that someone from this blog put together, and I thought that of course we would win this election. With this intelligence and energy, how could we not win?

I know people who are undecided, and I thought that I would send them to these Obama blogs where they could get great information from real people. I was sure that would give them what they needed to make a good decison.

But then the tone changed. It seemed to be more scared than smart. More worried about what the media says than about what Obama has to offer. More caught up in the back-and-forth with Wayne than sharing our excitement and concrete ideas about what we can do to get Obama's message out.

I want this to be a place where Obama people can come to connect with other Obama people. I want this to be a place where undecided people can come to learn more about Obama. If undecideds learn more about Obama and ultimately decide on someone else, that's okay. But we have the ability to be ambassadors for Obama, and I hope this space can return to the place I found a couple of weeks ago - a place that pulls people in with thoughtfulness and intelligence and hope.

I agree with those who have suggested ignoring those who are not here to either support Obama or to learn. It's what they say to do when training a puppy: reward behavior that's desirable and ignore any negative, undesirable behavior.

If non-supporters ask why we feel Barack's experience has prepared him for the presidency, for example, we answer. If ithey are baiting or wasting our time, we post "ignoring this thread". We lose if we take the bait.

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By Phil In the Cuse Aug 18th 2007 at 8:45 pm EDT

Nancy, I agree that at times, we've digressed into needless sniping at Wayne and others that fill up long stretches and, at worst, can turn off some newcomers.
The bottom line - if they attack us, we need to answer with substance, intelligence and positive spirit.
One of Barack's greatest gifts is his ability to talk and communicate with people on both sides of the political aisle - to unite, not to divide. We should seek the same spirit on this blog - while standing behind our movement, of course.

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By Carol-STL-MO Aug 19th 2007 at 2:23 am EDT

Agree,

& Welcome Nancy

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 7:30 pm EDT

Dear Malia and Sasha,

Mommy and Daddy are working very, very hard right now to change our nation. They want to reconnect us to the heart and soul of Democracy. At this time in history all of us Americans need to get back “home”... to those enlightened principles on which our country was founded.

What your parents are doing reminds me of a story I once heard...

A man walks along a beach covered with starfish, washed up on shore. He watches as a woman picks up a starfish and gently tosses it back into the water.“What are you doing?” the man asks.

“You see,” the woman replies as she stoops down to pick up a baby starfish, “if this little fellow doesn’t get back into the water, he’ll dry out and die."

"But there are so many starfish on the beach... why do you even bother? You can’t change the world,” the man tells her.

As she gently tosses the little starfish back into the water the woman says, “Oh, but I can change the world... at least for this one little starfish!”

Darlings, the people Mommy and Daddy talk to are like the starfish on the beach. Your parents are helping us get back home. They’re changing the world for all of us... one person at a time.

Lots of love and great, big hugs...

Aunt Becky

PS Fred the Wonder Cat sends nuzzles and purrs

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By GM_from_Ohio Aug 18th 2007 at 9:00 pm EDT

That is very touching. Thanks for sharing.

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By ◎Desert Dove Dan◎ Aug 18th 2007 at 9:46 pm EDT

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Randy from Escondido, CA Aug 19th 2007 at 8:05 pm EDT

I love this post aunt Beck thank you. It is very true and a philosophy to live by.

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By Phil In the Cuse Aug 18th 2007 at 7:44 pm EDT

I absorbed the details of Barack's decision on debates and had two reactions - a short-term thought, which was a bit discouraging, but then a long-term thought which was much more positive.
Sure, it might "look" like Barack is pulling out of debates, or at least that's the initial perception. And his critics can say, "See! He wasn't doing well, so he's wimping out!" You don't want that perception.
However, upon further reflection, this move is yet another stroke of brilliance from Barack. He is still going to plenty of forums (seven, I think) to suffice, and with debate fatigue spreading, this was a great proactive way to shut off the excess.
Far more importantly, Barack can shape this into his larger theme - the people against the powerful.
He is smart enough to see that no matter what is said in debates, or how effective it is with the audience or with focus groups or with internet polls, the pundits are going to fawn over Hillary and force her down our throats - and the voter's throats, too.
Barack knows that it's more important to have the votes of the people in the primaries than the praise of the pundit crowd. That's what he's focusing on - and thats great!
By the way, we registered some voters today at an education festival in downtown Syracuse, and more than 80 people signed up to join our group! The good word is spreading - we are an army, we are growing and WE WILL WIN!!

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By Kim Aug 18th 2007 at 8:57 pm EDT

WOW, 80 new supporters, great work!! We have the MN State Fair next week (1.4M in attendance over a ten day period) and our goal is to get 20 new supporters every hour!! It's going to be great!!

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By Phil In the Cuse Aug 18th 2007 at 9:08 pm EDT

Well the hope is that they will eventually sign the petitions needed to get on the ballot for the NY primary Feb. 5.
We are going to contest NY - hopefully Barack will have won early primaries so that people will see that he can win and they'll flock to him, even in Hillary's "home" state.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 9:45 pm EDT

Great work Phil!

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 19th 2007 at 12:02 am EDT

Go, Phil, GO!

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By monica Aug 18th 2007 at 9:52 pm EDT

Hi Phil,
I'm an organizer in Rochester Ny, so I know what a big deal it is to be out in so called "hillary" territory. I'm finding a lot of support for Obama here as well. We'll be holding a big Walkathon on Sept 15. We're getting press coverage and people coming out of the wood work to support Obama.
Great job with the 80 new members.

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By Phil In the Cuse Aug 18th 2007 at 10:51 pm EDT

Monica, you're giving me an idea there - might need to bring that to our group in Syracuse. We want a couple of public events before the petition drive starts.

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By Annabelle Aug 18th 2007 at 8:33 pm EDT

smart campaign, smart move...once again...

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By Albert from Rockville, MD Aug 18th 2007 at 8:34 pm EDT

The following message was sent to the Democratic National Committee a few weeks ago. Obviously, I endorse more selective, varied and meaningful presentations of candidate plans, policies and insights. March onward and upward, Barack Obama, on the new course.
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::

Until now, I have been a conscientious viewer of the TV candidate "debates." I see that a long string lies ahead, more-or-less similarly constructed and constituted. I have serious concerns that the cost-benefit value of these kinds of all-hands evolutions will progressively decline, and that the cumulative impact on the campaign of our final nominee may be negative.

Here's why.

Discussions rapidly loose focus and audience attention because the structure imposes a premium upon soundbites, which have already been heard many times before. There is a limit to the number of shorthand phrases available to give an original flavor to the same idea. Policy advocacy cannot be made compelling without the opportunity for development in some depth.

Time is taken up by more than half of the onstage cast who most viewers regard as just along for the ride, and who get the impression that the tail is wagging the dog.

The net effect of the foregoing circumstances is that the status of all of the participants is diminished, and the most serious contenders are the people whose images in voters' eyes are most seriously diminished--including he or she who will be THE Democratic presidential candidate.

That is enough of my soundbite. I hope that it will be a pebble in the pond that moves the Party and the campaign managers to plot a more promising course.

Thank you for enabling me to be part of a process in which we the people do, in fact, work together to convert promises into policies that will advantage us all.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 10:00 pm EDT

You, my friend are a visionary!

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By Ari V Aug 18th 2007 at 8:36 pm EDT

I'm glad he's going to be taking the voters questions and that he's doing the Univision debate. It's really important that the campaign focuses a little more on Latinos and issues affecting the Latino community. The Univision debate is a great example of this. Does Obama speak Spanish? are those Spanish ads him actuall speaking? he should learn Spanish. It would really help him connect with Latino voters.

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By ShaniKeys Aug 18th 2007 at 8:41 pm EDT

Yeah I think it's great too, maybe he's working on his Spanish right now, hihi.

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 8:44 pm EDT

Well- look at this CNN piece with him singing in spanish on a radio program...

Link

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 9:09 pm EDT

If the campaign has not already done so, it should hire a high-level Spanish-speaking spokesperson who can make the rounds of the Spanish-language talk radio shows and local television programs.

Barack may also consider recording a short, three- or four-sentence message in Spanish.

I did like his radio ad in Nevada, but it would have been nice to have heard his voice. He probably does not speak Spanish, but I am sure he can be coached into a few sentences. Or he could sing.:)

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 11:37 pm EDT

What did you think of his singing? There is a link to it.

My husband had high school spanish and thought it was decent.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 8:41 pm EDT

"Obama: Enough with the debates!"

So goes Time.com's misleading headline on Obama's decision.

Excerpt:

"In the latest chess move of the highly competitive fight for the Democratic presidential nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has decided to unilaterally refuse to participate in additional fall debates and forums with his rivals."

This suggests that Obama turned down requests for debates. Wrong. He stated that he would keep his commitment to debate no fewer than eight times but would not accept new forum invitations through December 10.

Here is the story:

Link

I suggest that we write, post, comment, etc....

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 9:05 pm EDT

Ok - I looked around in vain for contact information for Time, but I finally clicked on the reporter's name in the above link. Here is my letter:

Dear Mr. Halperin,

The headline of this story and the first sentence give the misleading impression that Mr. Obama has received and rejected offers to debate other candidates from now on. In fact, there is a temporary moratorium on accepting forum appearances (some of which may not requre candidates to appear together in the first place) until early December. This still leaves eight debates that Mr. Obama will participate over a very short period of time. That is a huge amount of exposure in an unusually long campaign season.

You may choose to believe the campaign's explanation, or be skeptical, if you wish, but your initial delivery of the news needs to base itself on the message conveyed by the source. The campaign's decision may or may not be a "chess move," as you say. But reporting the facts themselves should be no game.

END OF LETTER

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By VTscrapper Aug 18th 2007 at 10:17 pm EDT

Wow, thanks for the link! That story wasn't even close to the truth! I just wrote them a letter saying so and asking how much the Hillary campaign paid the author to write that. I find it really scary that the media has sunk so low these days to not even attempt to look like they are telling the truth.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 10:22 pm EDT

Glad you wrote, VTscrapper. I think one of the most important ways to help the campaign for those of us who are not able to volunteer on the ground is to watch the media like a hawk and call these outlets on the carpet when they engage in shewed or incomplete reporting - especially since Hillary seems to be the darling of the MSM.

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By MarkkraM Aug 18th 2007 at 9:17 pm EDT

Does this mean Mr. Obama will not attend the event in Davenport, Iowa on Sept. 20th??
Link

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 10:26 pm EDT

looks that way.

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 9:18 pm EDT

I don't think ANY candidate (whosoever) has the resources for a truly national campaign and/or ad. It just requires too much money, if by national ad you mean advertising in TV in all 50 states. Radio ad is little cheaper. Almost everybody is concentrating on putting ad in the early primary states. The theory is if you win enough of those early states, mo will carry you.

The only way to put national ad will be to go to the national TV shows free (MSNBC HARDBALL, CNN, National Public Radio & TV, CBS, FoxNews exclusive with Alan Colmes, FoxNews Sunday , ThisWeek in ABC). One or other democratic candidate is every other day appearing in these shows. What's up with Sen Obama?

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By SFT Aug 18th 2007 at 9:23 pm EDT

This Link does a nice job of reporting both Barack's Iowa campaign stop and suggests that all of the other candidates will join him in curtailing debates. Well done!

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By Donna NH - Thank you my fellow Granite Staters! Yes we did! Aug 18th 2007 at 9:26 pm EDT

I hedge a bet that Edwards and Clinton will follow our leader.

To be at debates without Barack would set them up for continuous attacks from Kucinich and Gravel. They would be on the defensive the whole time.

I am so proud of Barack for standing up for what he believes in. He is a true leader.

The debates have gotten way out of hand, too many, repetitious 60-second sound bites, MSM spin to annoint Hillary. There is really not much to learn from these types of forums.

I so agree with Barack's strategy to reach out to as many people as possible.

Like another poster said, it only takes one person to "fall in love" with Barack who will share their enthusiasm with 10 others, who will share with another 10 others and so forth.

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By This old broad's for Obama! Aug 18th 2007 at 9:35 pm EDT

We're all in this together...

Link

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 9:55 pm EDT

This should be Barack's campaign theme song! Listen up, HQ.

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 9:32 pm EDT

FoxNews ran amock with Islamic school story. That was for pretty darn good reason. Whatever you or me think let's face it. Majority of people in this country at this juncture won't elect somebody Moslem. Agree?

Senator's team has done lousy job of explaining that her Catholic mother was married to a Moslem. And Senator was a very little boy at the time. He was residing in a Moslem country. Above all, he was attending both a Cathoic and a Moslem school at the same time.

Should not his surrogates have gone to Fox and explained as I did above?

Tell me your honest opinion is there anything I have said you can agree with?

Sen Obama has embraced Christianity little late for many of this country. I'm not religious, majority of the voters are. This is still a white Protestant country like it or not.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 10:16 pm EDT

That story that Fox reported on did'nt go exactly like you've explained it even CNN Wolf Blitzer pointed out that Fox jump the gun on their reporting without varifying their sources. But let's say for argument that what you say is correct. Where is the apology for that and for calling him Osama Bin Laden. And the Osama comparison even came from the owner of the station. If they want to cover a candidate they have a right to confront him on his policies but straight out spreading lies? No that's not something that anyone would expect any polictical candidate to participate in. We both know what Fox's angle is. The were appealing to hatred in their coverage of the Senator and I don't blame him for ignoring them. I just don't see how that hurts his chances with any voters who mines are open to his candidacy. IMHO

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 10:24 pm EDT

Jimmie,
People of FoxNews are supposed to bid for the Republicans as we all know. That's precisely what they were doing. They were doing their job. TeamObama did not do theirs. That's my point.

True most Fox viewers would not change their mind no mtter what is said. But still we got to do our part.

Thank you

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 18th 2007 at 10:51 pm EDT

Wellwisher, like you I would love to see Senator Obama appear on the show because I believe that if he's going to govern effectively he's going to have to appeal to all americans even those who only watch Fox News. What I disagree with you on is Fox News responsibility to report the truth to those listeners who put their trust in them to keep them informed. I also believe as the next President of the United States Senator Obama needs to set certain parameters or a threshole of civility that must be attain before serious discussions can take place. Not preconditions prior to negotiations but A mutual repect between the media source and the candidate. I just feel that Fox New should advocate for their constituency without insulting a candidates' religion or ethnicity. To me that's the minimum requirement for effective communication from both parties. I think that Fox News should formally apologize to the Senator. Then if he refused to present his argument to their viewers in an effort to unite the nation more people of reason would possibly question his decision. As it stands now they are letting him "off the hook" for a lack of better words because I personally don't feel that Fox has meet that threshold of civility. I believe a lot of repubublicans and independents like myself who support Senator Obama feel the same way. IMHO

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By Terri Aug 18th 2007 at 10:20 pm EDT

CNN debunked that story ages ago, and made the remark when they did that they researched it 'like a responsible news network would' .. or words to that effect.

Fox News has never been and will never be a legitimate news organization. I got a kick out of Bill Clinton sticking it to Chris Wallace, but I'd rather no decent human being gave them the appearance of legitimacy by appearing there.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 10:51 pm EDT

I never bother to watch or write to Fox. It is a waste of time and energy. No point in talking to brick walls.

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By DieHardSupporter Aug 18th 2007 at 10:57 pm EDT

Terri & Athena,

Point is not FoxNews, but the rapid response or lack thereof. That's what won Bill Clinton the presidency. Sen Obama needs to have a efficient rapid response team.

Secondly, why are Gen Wes Clark & Harold Ford going to Fox then? Why did Bill Clinton go to campaign in South Carolina when they were booing him? Because they know no Dem can get the presidency unless (s)he can get at least some Repub & Indep.

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By Athena Aug 18th 2007 at 11:26 pm EDT

I very much agree about the rapid response. It appears as though Obama likes to do that himself, but the campaign needs to have a cadre of people who can fan out and put the MSM in their place whenever there are inaccurate or misleading statements.

More people should be on the airwaves defending Barack's foreign policy, for example. Barack likes to do that himself but he cannot be in all places all the time. Perhaps he needs to do some delegating on that count? I am guessing here - I don't know anything about his managment style.

Bill Clinton was, indeed, very good at rapid response. I suppose we will have to take on that role until the Obama campaign really becomes aggressive about this....

So let us write, write, write!

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 19th 2007 at 12:01 am EDT

I think we are making a difference. I'm watching the beltway boys and they actually did a piece on Senator Obama that actually was'nt that bad. (As far as Fox goes). They even recognized that fact that there's something happening in the country with regards to Senator Obama and the change that we are going to make in this country. I look forward to the day that they realize who their next president is going to be. I think our reponse to the media's power grab is sending a message. We the people will chose our next president and we will not yield! We've got to work that much harder to get our message out. I to believe in the decency of the American people.

Obama 08!

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By Mehari Aug 19th 2007 at 12:03 am EDT

Well wisher,

Harold ford is a different animal. He has been calling himself "a blue dog democrat" and currently he is head of the DLC (Democratic LOSING Council)whose job is to blurr their differnce with republicans so that they don't LOSE opposed to distinguishing themselves with clear principles and WIN the hearts and minds of people. So you can imagine why somebody like Harold Ford goes to FOX and bad mouths his progressive colleagues. If I can borrow Barack's line there should be no "blue dog" "white dog" or "red dog" democrat. There is enough division between democrat and republican and we can't continue to divide ourselves further with these silly designations. These are the same group who prescribe bizarre methods of blurring issues as Kerry did " Infact I voted for it before I voted against it". In this cycle Hillary is their candidate and if she is confronted by angry republicans on her latest vote she will say " I voted for it before I voted against it" too.

So, What I am saying is politics is a chess game and team Obama is doing a brilliant job without compromising the core principles of Obama's movement and we should just enjoy the ride with confidence that we will come on top at the end of the day.

Keep your eyes on the prize!!

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 19th 2007 at 11:48 am EDT

Well said!

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By Gretchen Aug 18th 2007 at 11:00 pm EDT

There seems to be a lot of confusion here about the 'madrassa story', the actual facts, and who said what when. Try this Link and follow its footnotes and links. "Comment is free but facts are sacred."

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By Rick Beaule' Aug 19th 2007 at 9:04 am EDT

Why should the Senator have to waste time explaining something that Christians should already know???

Why is it, I ask, that whether or not a Christian is considered to be a "good" Christian only if their commitment has been since birth, and they have supposedly committed no sins?

This makes absolutely NO sense. As Christians, we believe (or should be) that our entire existence is based upon the original sin committed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. The Christian religion has espoused the idea that Jesus Christ is the only person to ever walk this earth without sin for millenia. The whole joy of Jesus is that he FORGIVES our sins, and does not hold them against us.

Based on those points I would submit to you that anyone who is basing their decision on how long Obama has embraced Christianity or whether or not his parents were or were not Christian are, in reality, espousing traits that are more human in nature rather than truly aspiring to actual Christian ideals.

If I ever run into anyone who tries to give me that line of smoke, that is exactly what I would tell them.

Rick

Mustard seeds for everyone!

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By vw (Hussien)cat - Because I am very bitter and elitist Aug 18th 2007 at 10:11 pm EDT

Hillary made her snide comment here:
Link

The funny thing is that as soon as she realizes that if Obama is not there no one will care to watch and she will do her usual fliip flop. She thinks it's all about her. But, the truth is that people tune in to see obama. He is the star attraction.
I applaud his lead in this and feel the others will follow.
I just find it sad that Obama is always taking the lead and showing his judgement and leadership ability and yet the media never sees it.
But, many people do. Amazing how the people know a true leader regardless

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By Chima "Hussein" Ordu Aug 18th 2007 at 11:32 pm EDT

I had to fire off an email to Time.com:

Dear Sir,
I was really troubled after reading the blaring headline "Obama: enough with the debates!". This headline is misleading and does not accurately represent the position of the campaign. The entire media has now run with this headline and others like it, claiming Obama is quitting the debates and so on, when the fact is he called for holding off on any NEW debates until late December, while still sticking to the remaining 8 debates already scheduled.

You would do us all a service by rewriting that headline and in your article making it clear that Obama did not say "enough with the debates", or anything even close to it.

Thanks!

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By Mehari Aug 18th 2007 at 11:38 pm EDT

I have seen people getting too excited about polling and reporting instantly and stressing on who is up or who is down. Right now ABC news is conducting a poll asking "Who will win tomorrows dem. debate"? and the top vote getters:
#1 Gravel 90
#2 Hillary 89
#3 Obama 82
#4 Edwards 23

Now, Gravel #1? Give me a break.
This shows you polls, especially on line votes are very flawed and shouldn't stress too much about them. I support voting for Barack on those polls to help with the psychological war but we have to understand they are so unreliable.

What is reliable is bringing more voters to our movement so that they can make a difference when it counts.

Keep your eyes on the prize!!

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 11:48 pm EDT

LOL This is an insult to Dennic Kucinch LOL

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By FreedomOfSpeechForObama2008 Aug 19th 2007 at 12:19 am EDT

Apparently, we Obama supporters are on line now.

Who do you think will win the Democratic debate?

Barack Obama 107

Hillary Clinton 104
Mike Gravel 103
John Edwards 29
Dennis Kucinich 25
Joe Biden 22
Nobody. I'm voting Republican. 17
Chris Dodd 13
Nobody. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race. 12
Bill Richardson 3

Total Vote: 435

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By JQ Aug 18th 2007 at 11:49 pm EDT

LOL This is an insult to Dennic Kucinch LOL

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By Mid America Mom Aug 18th 2007 at 11:54 pm EDT

lol

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By ♋Tanner♋ Aug 18th 2007 at 11:56 pm EDT

That is very misleading.

The MSM has done an effective job on their twisted spin that Hillary wins all the debates. I have talked to a few people that have said, "I didn't watch the debate but the news said Hillary won." I have to set these people straight everyday. I know the people on this blog are terrific supporters and we know how to get the word out. Let's keep on doing what is necessary to get Barack on the Democratic ticket for President of the United States.

Everybody has a special talent for this grassroots movement such as being a fundraiser, tabling at your local events, door to door canvassing or even just wearing your Barack Obama t-shirt, button, hat, bumper sticker on your car etc..

Let's keep up the good work.

OBAMA '08

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By JQ Aug 19th 2007 at 12:10 am EDT

Did I miss something, I just heard Foxnews Beltway Boys actually saying some positive about Obama. Am I dreaming or what?

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By Dawn Aug 19th 2007 at 12:22 pm EDT

Senator Obama won among the focus groups after the debate as just reported on CNN by one of his surrogates, a congressman from OK whose name escapes me. As you already know, I've been critical of Senator Obama's debate performances, but I thought he was fantastic this morning! The only complaint I have is with George Stephonopalis (spelling?). His past personal and professional relationship with Hillary Clinton obviously had an effect. This is supposed to be a debate, but he completely ignored what could have been a defining moment for the debate--Denise Kucinich asking Hillary Clinton if she was tricked into voting for the Iraq War? Just like a million times before, she was allowed to get away with the lie that she didn't know she was voting for war. As a woman, I'm SICK of her continuously blaming men, including George Bush, for her decisions. She PLAYS the part of a feminist all the while blaming men for what purely are her bad decisions, including personal and professional decisions. If she truly thought she was voting for diplomacy, she would have voted for the Levin Amendment which would have required George Bush to fully exhaust diplomacy efforts before going into Iraq. But she voted AGAINST it, which completely undermines her contention that she was voting for diplomacy. George S. should have directed Hillary Clinton to either answer Kuchinich's question or asked her about the Levin Amendment. He had Bill Richardson step on Kuchinich's question to take the heat off of Hillary Clinton. It was outrageous and his colleagues should openly criticize him for it.

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By jenniestarrish Aug 19th 2007 at 1:15 am EDT

As an Obama supporter and a Native American (Tlingit/Tsimshian)I am very disappointed that Senator Obama will not be at the Prez On the Rez debate on August 23rd. Edwards and Clinton are not going either. This was the first forum where solely Native American issues will be discussed and I am sad it is not getting more attention.

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By Rosalind Aug 19th 2007 at 6:53 am EDT

Contact HQ and setup an event with Barack to visit and discuss these interests.

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 19th 2007 at 12:49 pm EDT

Great idea!

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By jerry25 Aug 19th 2007 at 10:45 am EDT

Vote:

Link

I am disappointed Barack didn't take the chance to make headlines regarding Hillary's electability vs. his own.
He has to say the party would be better off with an Obama as the Democratic candidate. Yesterday, I got a call from the DNC to donate - I said that " I'm not donating anything until Barack Obama is the Dem. Candidate". I'll bet there is good reason for Democrats to be concerned. There isn't much enthusiasm for Hillary.

Secondly, I think Barack could have said when talking with Joe Biden, that he would have people like Joe Biden in his administration (implying there would be plenty of experience in an Obama administration).

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By Mid America Mom Aug 19th 2007 at 11:07 am EDT

Well- my market gave only the first HOUR! So I am missing it right now :(

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By JimmieFromDayton Aug 19th 2007 at 11:17 am EDT

Shane, I think we do our candidate and our cause a disservice when we lower our dialogue to this level. I know you're passionate about Senator Obama and I also know you are a serviceman and the issue of who governs our country holds a certain compeling affect on you and your family. However, you need to stay focused on the mission. As I see it that mission is to inform the voters and vistiors on this site of the Senators policies in a way that represents what this movement is all about. So I respectfully request that you maintain your bearing.

Semper Fi!

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By AO Aug 19th 2007 at 11:20 am EDT

I'm thrilled about this courageous decision to cut back on the debates and forums. I quit watching the debates and forums after the first couple because I wasn't learning anything new. They're just media circus and vanity events that do nothing to help any of the candidates.

There are only four short months left to make a difference and his time is far better spent working the ropes. Good for him!

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By Johnnie Aug 19th 2007 at 12:56 pm EDT

Hello everyone go to view all BLOGS under the MY BLOG link and read the debate reaction from the focus group click on the read more link to get the entire story. People are beginning to see the real candidate and see through Hillary. Several Edward and Clinton supporters said they change their votes after this morning debate.

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By Michaele Aug 19th 2007 at 1:34 pm EDT

I am pleased by the decision to pull back from the debates in favor of more retail campaigning in the early primary states.The networks are feasting on controversy rather than the message.

This is a movement that is being built from the grass roots. In keeping with that, voters want to hear and touch the candidates. Given that the national polls are driven by mainstream media and pundits, this campaign will be won in the trenches.

Voters may have seen enough of the televised debates that line up all of the contenders and give them 30 seconds or a minute to answer questions.

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By phil Aug 19th 2007 at 2:12 pm EDT

08/19/07

I understand and support the reasoning for the
reduced number of debates. With a frontloaded primary season it is important to reach as many people as possible to be able to connect. It helps them feel a part of hope and change.

Phil

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By Tina Marie Mar 9th 2008 at 6:11 pm EDT

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By Tina Marie Mar 9th 2008 at 6:12 pm EDT

Hello friends, I have been working a serious Barack Obama Campaign Song my tribute Campaign
Song To Mr. Barack Obama Titled "Mr. Obama" Our Next President Of These United States! please leave your opinion it's valuable! Let me Know How The Song moves You What ever Way That Is! Here's The link
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Also Hear My Voter's Registration Jingle
"Are You Old Enough To Vote?"

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By Troopersfortruth Mar 17th 2008 at 10:45 am EDT

dear David,

I hope you will take your time to read this. I have some suggestions to make to the campaign.

First a consideration: I am now convinced by substantial elements collected in the press that the "kitche sink" strategy is conducted by the GOP. Not Clinton, the GOP. We have all learned what has happened in TX, OH and Miss where repubblicans rushed the polls following Rush Limbaugh's call to vote "their" best candidate.

So here is what I think you could do now to add momentum and surprise without falling into the negative:

1 Voice your support to HC's efforts to halt GOP's intrusions into her campaign. You knw she is not behind these attacks. It's the infamous "course of cynics".

2 Pubblicly renounce to your requests of having her past tax returns be opened; you acknowledge she is a deserving, hard working, democrat, voted to the same cause. She is an excellent candidate.

3 Prepare a roaring speech on point 1 n 2.

4 attack GOP on their smear tactics, and ask them to stop instrumentally using your fellow party member competitor to drive a racist crusade. You are the front runner - you must target the GOP.
Remember how Gen. Powell was brought to believe in weapons of mass destruction. Don't allow them a repeat.

key words: cynics, honesty, transparency, trojan horse, instumental.

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By Mark from Grand Forks, ND May 17th 2008 at 12:53 pm EDT

This is one of the best and funniest send ups of the Bush administration, from the Times of India.

would that we has writers of this quality!

Link

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By Unknown user Aug 7th 2008 at 9:23 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 9:23 pm EDT)

What change the potential voters are claiming?...
How can we make real the major surgery the patient needs? American majorities have been abandoned for centuries into a system that "fabricate" their demand through debts and price manipulations. Their poverty isn't more than an unproductive work force that can be alliviated with entrepreneur assistance, inside a business with the most attractive benefits. The fundaments of this thesis are in 44 E-mails I have sent to Obama without any answer.

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By Randolph from Fort Worth, TX Sep 9th 2008 at 12:49 pm EDT (Updated Sep 9th 2008 at 12:49 pm EDT)

Barack,

I am not contributing to your campaign to see you smile and turn the other cheek when you are viciously attacked 24/7 by McCain/Palen and the Republicans.

GET OFF YOUR EASY GOING MR NICE GUY (BUTT) AND FIGHT BACK.

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By Bill from Cary, NC Sep 28th 2008 at 3:04 pm EDT (Updated Sep 28th 2008 at 3:04 pm EDT)

"There is another lie wrapped up in truth"
I think I just coined that phrase, but I would be so happy if you used it.

It is something this campaign should get used to using instead of "I agree with John, but".

Now the gop is using that against Barack, but the "BUT" never appears.

Like about the 35% corporate tax. and the 6 other times the gop claims Barack agreed with John.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS!!!!!!!!!

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