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By Christine "No Distractions" O'Bama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:05 am EDT

Really?

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By Obamalicious Jul 9th 2008 at 12:06 am EDT

Awesome town hall today.... Obama rocks!!!

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By Global Citizen Linda Jul 9th 2008 at 12:08 am EDT

Georgia here we come and we intend to paint this Peach State blue

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By Celtic Jul 9th 2008 at 6:01 am EDT

VIDEO- Old guy vs change: McCain, Obama images take shape Link
VIDEO- McCain's New Attack Ad On Obama Link
VIDEO- Townhalls Are Supposed To Be McCain's Strength? Link
John Sidney McGambler, IRS edition Link
VIDEO- Barack Around the Clock Link
Obama hires Hillary's director of women's outreach Link
Details of Obama's Overseas Trip Leaked Link
Top Clinton Adviser Wolfson To Join Fox News Link
Malia Obama looks forward to decorating WH room Link
VIDEO- McCain's chilling defense of preemptive war against Iraq Link
VIDEO- Vietnam Vets Against McCain Link
VIDEO- Groovy Baby. McCain Still Living In The '60's Link
More Heartburn-Inducing Numbers For The GOP In Florida Link
VIDEO- McCain = Bush = Librarian kicked out of John Sidney McCain event Link
Poll-itics: Obama ahead, Dems ahead edition Link
Obama wants to shift to a new subject Link
Warner: Obama Has Strong Chance of Capturing Virginia Link
Germans get excited over prospect of Obama visit Link
CSpan Washington Journal Call In Tomorrow Morning On FISA fiasco Link
VIDEO- Bush & McCain- Pro business twins Link
VIDEO- The Obamas On The Record Link

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By Stephen C. Rose in NYC Jul 9th 2008 at 7:00 am EDT

Halperin on FISA
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PPP Sends Obama Good News from NC
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Can Bob Herbert Read?
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McCain's Tax Lies (Continued)
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Barack Was Right To Reject Public Campaign Finance
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Obama's Consistent Position on Iraq
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McCain GOP Platform? In His Dreams
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By Srepen Jul 10th 2008 at 11:48 am EDT

Link Obama triples Missouri staff
Link Obama's late primary campaign could help now
Link Obama looks to turn Georgia blue
Link Obamas sit down for first family interview
Link Senate Passes FISA Bill With Telecom Immunity
Link Obama says he wouldn't attend Olympics opening ceremony
Link Obama Campaign Reaps Gilded Haul
Link The Buzz is growing for Joe Biden as Obamaa4s Running Mate
Link Gallup Daily: 07/08/2008 Obama 46%, McCain 44
Link Obama ad attacks McCain on energy
Link Germans get excited over prospect of Obama visit
Link Obama Addresses Critics on Centrist Moves
Link Obama Denies Changing His Positions
Link Christian Group Calls Obama The Abortion President
Link Obama Gives Himself Wiggle Room on Iraq Timeframe

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By Srepen Jul 10th 2008 at 11:48 am EDT

Link Obama triples Missouri staff
Link Obama's late primary campaign could help now
Link Obama looks to turn Georgia blue
Link Obamas sit down for first family interview
Link Senate Passes FISA Bill With Telecom Immunity
Link Obama says he wouldn't attend Olympics opening ceremony
Link Obama Campaign Reaps Gilded Haul
Link The Buzz is growing for Joe Biden as Obamaa4s Running Mate
Link Gallup Daily: 07/08/2008 Obama 46%, McCain 44
Link Obama ad attacks McCain on energy
Link Germans get excited over prospect of Obama visit
Link Obama Addresses Critics on Centrist Moves
Link Obama Denies Changing His Positions
Link Christian Group Calls Obama The Abortion President
Link Obama Gives Himself Wiggle Room on Iraq Timeframe

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By Srepen Jul 10th 2008 at 11:48 am EDT

Link Obama triples Missouri staff
Link Obama's late primary campaign could help now
Link Obama looks to turn Georgia blue
Link Obamas sit down for first family interview
Link Senate Passes FISA Bill With Telecom Immunity
Link Obama says he wouldn't attend Olympics opening ceremony
Link Obama Campaign Reaps Gilded Haul
Link The Buzz is growing for Joe Biden as Obamaa4s Running Mate
Link Gallup Daily: 07/08/2008 Obama 46%, McCain 44
Link Obama ad attacks McCain on energy
Link Germans get excited over prospect of Obama visit
Link Obama Addresses Critics on Centrist Moves
Link Obama Denies Changing His Positions
Link Christian Group Calls Obama The Abortion President
Link Obama Gives Himself Wiggle Room on Iraq Timeframe

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By Srepen Jul 10th 2008 at 11:48 am EDT

Link Obama triples Missouri staff
Link Obama's late primary campaign could help now
Link Obama looks to turn Georgia blue
Link Obamas sit down for first family interview
Link Senate Passes FISA Bill With Telecom Immunity
Link Obama says he wouldn't attend Olympics opening ceremony
Link Obama Campaign Reaps Gilded Haul
Link The Buzz is growing for Joe Biden as Obamaa4s Running Mate
Link Gallup Daily: 07/08/2008 Obama 46%, McCain 44
Link Obama ad attacks McCain on energy
Link Germans get excited over prospect of Obama visit
Link Obama Addresses Critics on Centrist Moves
Link Obama Denies Changing His Positions
Link Christian Group Calls Obama The Abortion President
Link Obama Gives Himself Wiggle Room on Iraq Timeframe

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By William from Stamford, CT Jul 9th 2008 at 3:36 am EDT

Barack Obama Already Has a Plan for the White House Lincoln Bedroom: Link

Russia Warns U.S. After Missile Deal Signed: Link

Sen. Jim Webb VP Statement: I'm Not Interested in Vice President Position: Link

Barack Obama Ad Attacks John McCain on Energy Solutions: Link

G8 World Leaders' Lavish Eight-Course Banquet at Food Crisis Summit: Link

Will Smith to Play Barack Obama On The Big Screen: Link

Barack Obama Lays Rotten Economy At Bush's Feet: Link

Obama Will Accept Nomination at 75,000 Spectators Stadium: Link

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Presidential Polls: Link

Video: Most Viewed Election Video: Link

Cartoon Picks of the Day: Link

Quote of the Day: Link

Political Humor: Link

Cast Your Vote Now: Link

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By colonial82 Jul 9th 2008 at 12:08 am EDT

Link

This site is good snark, but I do think we should start a viral email.

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By Rich from FLA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:10 am EDT

wanna throw a bone to #2?

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By Donna No Shock Barack No Drama Obama of MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:11 am EDT

Congrats Christine. Would u consider a donation in honor of your FIRSTLink

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By Christine "No Distractions" O'Bama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:15 am EDT

Sorry guys, Jim beat you to it, but how about a good night hug?

((((((HUG)))))))

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By ◎Desert Dove Dan◎ Jul 9th 2008 at 12:19 am EDT

Go Christine! How about a little sports tonight?

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This video rated G
suitable for General audience of all ages

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By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 12:35 am EDT

congrats!

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By Marcia--One who believes in Dreams! Jul 9th 2008 at 12:52 am EDT

Saw Barack and family on the national news and KO. Malia and Sasha were so cute! Malia saying she would get to "decorate my room" because she likes to decorate, if her dad was the President and they would get a dog!! Beautiful "First Family" :D If you can, donate for Malia, Sasha and a vote to bring the troops home Link

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By Trish - Working To Elect That One Jul 9th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT

Weren't those girls sweet? The whole family is lovely and would represent America well.

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By vassar13 Jul 9th 2008 at 9:18 am EDT

Did anyone see Campbell Brown frying Obama over having his kids out for the day....She said it was so bad that he was using his kids in a political way....Kind of like SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA. I could not believe my ears !!!! Unbelieveable...she had a second e-mail for the day from me within about 10 minutes. She was beyond disgusting.

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By vassar13 Jul 9th 2008 at 9:22 am EDT

Did anyone see Campbell Brown frying Obama over having his kids out for the day....She said it was so bad that he was using his kids in a political way....Kind of like SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA. I could not believe my ears !!!! Unbelieveable...she had a second e-mail for the day from me within about 10 minutes. She was beyond disgusting.

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 9:27 am EDT

Figures, Campbell Brown is married to a man who is a commentator for Fox news. Before that he was the spokesperson for the Coalition Provisional Authority (listen to him explain the missing billions in Iraq if you want to get angry). Before that he was a Veep at the Carlysle Group.

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By scozad Jul 9th 2008 at 9:41 am EDT

Speaking of the Carlyle Group....

Bush family has TIES to Osama bin Laden via the Carlyle Group

The way the Elitist Bildeburgers will take over ALL U.S. Banks!
"Private equity firms like Carlyle Group are pushing regulators to loosen the rules."
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Carlyle Group -
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Political figures
North America

"George H. W. Bush, former U.S. President, Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003."
"George W. Bush, current U.S. President. Was appointed in 1990 to the Board of Directors of one of Carlyle's first acquisitions, an airline food business called Caterair, which Carlyle eventually sold at a loss. Bush left the board in 1992 to run for Governor of Texas."
"James Baker III, former United States Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush, Staff member under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, Carlyle Senior Counselor, served in this capacity from 1993 to 2005."

Middle East

"Shafig bin Laden, older brother of Osama bin Laden"

Interesting huh - if you consider all the "conspiracy theories" about 9/11.... interesting that it was Osama bin Laden who plotted the whole 9/11 thing and it happened to be Bush in the white house when happened and that Bush has made such HUGE power grabs - and congress and the American people are letting him. You can't help but say "Things that make you go HMMMMM."

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT

Alright Christine! Congrats! I have never done it!

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By Mid America Mom Jul 9th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT

Congrats Christine!!!!

If you want to travel- we are having a meet and greet on the 24th in Arlington Heights.

Mid America Mom * Moms for Obama -- Link

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By Justin, 17 years old and hated politics until Obama came on the scene Jul 9th 2008 at 4:24 am EDT

Maureen Dowd Becomes Fictional Actor In Obama Smear Link

Is McCain Poised To 'Refine His Position' On Iraq? Link

Conservative Christian Group Invokes Slavery In Opposing Obama Link

McCain's Latest Iran Dud: Maybe Cigarettes Will Kill The Iranians Link

New York Times On McCain Economics: No You Can't Link

Anti-Lieberman Group Delivering 43,000 Signatures To Senate Link

The Flip Flopper on Iraq? McCain Link

Chris Matthews Hammers Vets For Freedom Rep Over Iraq Withdrawal Link

US Withdrawal Timetable Insisted Upon By Iraqi Government Link

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By Rich from FLA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:05 am EDT

and Roll!

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:13 am EDT

Donna and Doris in the house. Go MARYLAND, WOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!

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By Rich from FLA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:06 am EDT

First!

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By ED-“Wasilla Hillbillies Looting Nieman Marcus Right To Center” My Friends We got Em Where We Want Em Hehe 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Jul 9th 2008 at 12:08 am EDT

How are you all doing this evening?

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT

To be completelu honest, I am frustrated. I have loved being part of this campaign and keeping up with every twist and turn. I feel like it is about to end tomorrow. People need to understand how serious this vote is tomorrow and how detrimental it will be to the campaign. I pray that the Senator will see the light and keep the word he gave us earlier this year. I want to care about Bankruptcy Reform, the need to withdraw troops from Iraq, the attacks that need to be used against McCain but if Obama votes for that bill tomorrow and the Dems cave, it will be over. Thousands will quit to donate and work for this campaign. I know that I will be castigated for bringing this on this part of the site but I am at my wits end.

This is a flagrant stab in the back. I don't think his campaign realizes how serious this is. If we cannot trust him on this, how can we trust him. And no I am not a troll.

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By Gina Jul 9th 2008 at 12:55 am EDT

I was just saying on the last blog...
Steps, it takes steps to make change, and look realistically at what is possible right now.

The truth is, we can always be ECSTATIC about any person, including Obama. It's just not possible, we are not built to create and maintain ecstacy folks...keep a broad view of
Where we are,
Where we are going,
How we will get there.
Obama cannot be Superman and do everything we all want him to do all the time. Not realistic.

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By Obamaismyguy! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT

On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the fillibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too).

I wish he didn't have to play this stupid game of "Politics", and could vote his true feelings. However, unfortunately, if he wants to get elected so he can help us little guys, he MUST play the game to some extent. I for one do not think he is "selling out".

He has weighed the pros and cons, and I trust that he knows what he is doing and will make it up to us all once he's in the White House.

Obama = President for the People
McCain = President for the Lobbyists and the Wealthy

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT

Lindy both you and Rachel have outlined it completely. It's a real pickle.

It would be really great if the filibuster would work and if Barack didn't have to commit.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:27 am EDT

Why does he have to vote for it? Because he's scared McCain will say he's weak on national defense?

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By Obamaismyguy! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT

It's not a matter of being "scared", it's a matter of being SMART!

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By Mid America Mom Jul 9th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT

Pragmatism is never pretty.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT

Where is the wisdom? Where is the "smart"? This bill offers no greater protection for the American people. If he voted against it, he would not lose votes.

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By Bruce H Jul 9th 2008 at 1:52 am EDT

Exactly.

Why don't you pour gasoline over yourself and light a match?

Scared you'll burn up? Chicken!

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT

Come on people! He has no choice at this point. He has to vote for it. Anything else would be fool hearty. But it would be nice if the filibuster works.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT

That's great. I appreciate that. Such a loving community here.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT

Why does he have no choice? The media is not gonna be fair to him anyway. You saw how they hae tried to bludgeon him over his use of the word "refine" to describe his Iraq policy. If he is scared that he is going to be called a "flip-flopper" that is ridiculous. They are calling him that already.

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By Trish - Working To Elect That One Jul 9th 2008 at 2:40 am EDT

If we want real change, Obama has to win. Purists never get elected. Not here. Not in Europe. Nowhere. He has to be pragmatic, work with what he is handed, and bring the major changes once he is elected.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:03 am EDT

How is voting for the FISA bill pragmatic?

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:03 am EDT

How is voting for the FISA bill pragmatic?

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By Christine "No Distractions" O'Bama Jul 9th 2008 at 8:28 am EDT

Jonathan, I hope you check back this morning, but I strongly recommend this blog by Al Giordano on coming to terms with FISA:

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And if you are interested in my own quest to move on after FISA, you can check out my blog:

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By Kevin from Jasper, IN Jul 9th 2008 at 8:45 pm EDT

I am greatly disappointed in Senator Obama on his vote. If you have two bad options to choose from, pick the one that is right. Voting for FISA was the wrong choice.

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By Mary from Brooklyn, NY Jul 9th 2008 at 3:26 am EDT

I believe Obama should vote against the FISA bill. The semantics put forth that this bill is a compromise, flawed and is not the bill he wants to me is not consistent with a vote to pass it. I don't think we should wait for him to get into the White House to make it right. Why would we be that naive? This is a major chunk of the 4th amendment that is being scored away and chilling to say the least. Privacy and personal opinion in e-mail and phone conversations should be kept that way. Who gets to censure, why, and what nefarious purposes may employed at the expense of an individual? It is not OK to vote against these measures. He taught constitutional law for 10 years. He knows what his vote means and to say it is a compromise that he doesn't agree with to me should mean a vote against the bill. I am really undone by the work on Capitol Hill regarding this and extremely disappointed in Obama should he vote for the bill.

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By Claire Jul 9th 2008 at 5:37 am EDT

Dear American friends,

Can someone explain to me what is this FISA bill ? You seem upset about this, I trust Barack Obama.

I am very happy because Barack and Michelle will come to Paris soon...

Love from France,

Claire

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By Catherine of Riverdale, IL Jul 9th 2008 at 7:17 am EDT

FISA has been the right for the government to listen in on your conversation, or hack into your computer any time they pleased. Obama said he would not sign this bill...but the bill changed. The difference is now, in order to do anything like that the person has to go before a court, and show probable cause, they have to have a warrant, and they cannot listen to anybody infinitely. It is sort of like having to have a search warrant before you search somebody, and knowing that there are rules to how you can be searched.

Bush has been just invading the privacy of others and daring anybody to say anything about it. He has told Karl Rove he does not have to respond to the subpoena he had been sent. I'm saying this to show you how ruthless this administration has been. Back to FISA and the phone companies getting a free pass... it was already written into the old FISA bill, so they were set free before the fact.

I probably didn't get everything in this explanation...but suffice to say it is better to sign the bill. If this new version of the bill was not in place, there would be no law against people spying on you at all. This way at least anybody who considers such a thing can be held accountable.

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By old white woman Jul 9th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT

You people pretending to be soooo upset about FISA, if legitimate, are so short-sighted it is unbelievable. That is why you get called trolls. Is prosecuting intimidated tele-com execs more important than all the other issues facing this country?? Do you listen to what Sen. Obama is saying, do you know what the bill does other than the bit you object too. You are being hysterical or show-boating, or imitating Bush voters who voted on one issue in 2004 (I'm scared of terrorist, there may be one under my bed and Bush is Daddy). You want drama for the sake of drama, or do you really want to accomplish some real change on a whole range of issues, like Supreme Court judges, for one. I would have voted for Hilary, had she got the nomination, on that issue alone. Throw in health care and I would vote for any Dem, and donate money! Have some common sense people.

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By Obamaismyguy! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT

You go Edna! I feel the same way...just too timid to stand up like you are!

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By vassar13 Jul 9th 2008 at 9:30 am EDT

I could not agree more....it's better to win the war ..then even what we consider one of the larger battles...In the end we must win. He alone can't do anything about it anyway.Let's get him elected to office....then he has some power !!

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By vassar13 Jul 9th 2008 at 9:30 am EDT

I could not agree more....it's better to win the war ..then even what we consider one of the larger battles...In the end we must win. He alone can't do anything about it anyway.Let's get him elected to office....then he has some power !!

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By Rosalind Jul 9th 2008 at 9:44 am EDT

About the FISA bill Sen Obama will do what best he feel for us, please continue to support 100%. Yu not going to agree 100% with your significant other so please don't for one minute think you going to agree with Sen Obama. It okay to discusss the issue and give your pros and cons but to say you will no longer support him is stupid and you all need to STOP; that what give the MSM something to talk about you. As you can see MSM is harder on our candidate then anyone else and we need to stop complaing there are more important things to discuss beside a FISA bill. People get a grip and show the campaign that we are more then what the MSM is trying to paint the campaign or yet the Democratic Party.

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By Staci Leigh O'Brien Jul 9th 2008 at 1:01 am EDT

Yesterday, John McCain joked about killing Iranians (see below), while Barack opened up the Democratic platform to small group insights from all over the country.

Please...let's do the work and get our candidate elected, with a Democratically controlled congress as frosting.

THEN, we can talk FISA and accountability and any other issue we need to, and we'll know there's someone in Washington willing to listen.

McCain's Latest Iran Joke
By Michael D. Shear, The Washington Post:

"Responding to a question about a survey that shows increased exports to
Iran, mainly from cigarettes, McCain said, "Maybe thats a way of killing them."

He quickly caught himself, saying "I meant that as a joke" as his wife, Cindy, poked him in the back." (Posted at 8:03 PM ET on Jul 8, 2008)

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT

Look below for a link I've posted to Digg this article. We need to get this out, and if you "Digg" it, the MSM may pick it up. It's really very unpresidential of him. This is the second time McCain has made jokes about killing Iranian civilians. The next president is going to have to deal with Iran and probably have diplomatic talks and negotiations. How can anyone in Iran want to talk to a president who makes jokes about killing their people?

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By old white woman Jul 9th 2008 at 1:56 am EDT

Exactly! If McCain is elected you have for worse trouble than immunity for tele-com execs With this drama and self-important crap all you are doing is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I do not doubt you want someone, anyone to be held accountable for SOMETHING!! My priority is electing a Democrat as POTUS and as many Democrats to Congress as possible. That is an absolute priority!! I am not going to be distracted by anything I disagree on. State views, yes. Send a note to headquarters, yes. Take my eye off the ball NO!! We cannot change, improve anything unless we elect Democrats!!

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT

There are plenty of bad democrats. Even Obama says it is not just about changing parties. Obama is the only dem or rep I will be voting for. All the rest will be third party.

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By vassar13 Jul 9th 2008 at 9:32 am EDT

Ive been telling everyone....this guy needs a NANNY...maybe day care !!!!!

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By LEF in Mineral Jul 9th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT

On one of the MSNBC shows this evening -- it may have been Hardball, there was a spirited defense of Senator Obama's position on FISA, made by (D) Rep. Adam Smith (WA) who stated that the Bill as it exists at this time does not provide any more "retroactive immunity" than was already in place under the existing law. Did anyone else see this?

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By Trish - Working To Elect That One Jul 9th 2008 at 2:43 am EDT

I saw it and thought it was well-presented. It helped clarify a lot for me. I wish people would stop getting hysterical and actually listen to Obama and his surrogates, on this matter.

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 9:38 am EDT

Here it is. I posted it below on this thread as well. It is an interview with Adam Smith from Dan Abrams show.

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By Richard from Georgetown, TX Jul 9th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT

I'm frustrated and disheartened at the lack of leadership from the man who claims to want to bring change to American politics. Obama should be leading the filibuster NOT flip-flopping his position for political expediency. I'm no naive newbie to politics. At age 53, I've lived through enough politicians doing what is personally beneficial but disastrous for the Nation. I know how the game is played. However, this issue will carve a large piece out of the Fourth Amendment and it is sad for me to be disillusioned by Obama so quickly after I had become cautiously optimistic at his candor and apparent honesty. No, I won't vote for McCain but I now see Obama as just another political opportunist with a timely but shallow message. He had a golden opportunity to show us leadership and courage and steadfastness to what is right but he coped out to save some political skin. Tomorrow will prove to be a sad day for America IMO.

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By Pizzaro Jul 9th 2008 at 4:48 am EDT

Now you are really a TROLL but it wont work!!

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By Jeremy (Hails from Maine) Jul 9th 2008 at 8:39 am EDT

You people need to get over yourselves. If you think you are speaking for thousands of people quitting (which according to an article I read and found out about this ridiculous mutiny of sorts) then just know that the rest of us are hanging strong.

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By Scott from Austin, TX Jul 9th 2008 at 8:53 am EDT

Obama's vote for this present FISA bill is not a compromise as he calls it but a capitulation. It's politics over principle and I thought that standing for principle was supposed to be the "change" Mr. Obama was bringing.

This isn't even smart politics. One of the things that I think help Republicans beat Democrats over and over again is that they can point to them say, wimp, and you know, the other word for spineless, gutless wonders that won't stand up to criticism. I don't think it was the issues brought up by the Swift Boat ad that beat John Kerry, but the fact that he let them attack him with partisan lies and then let it slide.

I gave money to Obama during the primary because, though he wasn't my first choice, I thought he would be less beholden to special interests than Clinton. This recent turn to the center has decided it for me. I will not give any more to the campaign and any enthusiasm I had for Obama is gone. I will now vote for him simply because the alternative is worse.

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By vassar13 Jul 9th 2008 at 9:34 am EDT

Thanks and love for that !!

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By joe ruwe Jul 9th 2008 at 12:53 am EDT

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT

To vote against a bad bill like the compromise FISA bill does not require Superman. I disagree with him on other issues and those disagreements never undermined my confidence in him. To vote against the bill just requires him to live up to his word. He is reneging on commitments he made repeatedly and this bill does not, in any way, enhance our national security.

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By Ed in Austin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT

Jonathan- It is a different bill that provides oversight so no President can do again what Bush did. And the immunity for the telcoms has been in there for 32 years. It is not new, although he is opposing that part of it. He is trying to get the best bill he can get but he and many others believe we do need a bill. Incremental change, my Brother. One small step at a time.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT

I appreciate the nice sentiments and I would have agreed with you right after he announced his position but after reading more about the bill and seeing what a weak regime it is, I see that it would be better to continue the current FISA regime and revisit the issue in January. I cannot believe that any Democrat would vote for this (except maybe Joe Lieberman). If the telecoms get immunity tomorrow then there will be no way to undo that later. But that is not the worst part of the bill.

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By Ed in Austin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT

They have immunity under the old bill. Have for 32 years.

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By Bruce H Jul 9th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT

Retroactive immunity can be repealed with new legislation.

It was illegal and civilly actionable when they did it.

They can be shielded with a law.

That shield can be removed with a later law.

What CANNOT be done is to make an act illegal or civilly actionable ex post facto - in other words, if it was OK originally, it cannot be made punishable later.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT

I don't think so. I used to practice law. I don't think that is how it works. And ex post facto applies only to criminal laws. But the legislation has many flaws beyond the immunity issue.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:27 am EDT

Repealing this is a pipe dream. Obama and the other Democrats sold us out.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT

Huh? What Bush did was already against the law. Of course he won't get in any trouble thanks to this retroactive immunity that Obama supports. We don't need a new law here, we need to enforce the existing law.

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By Hope is coming Jul 9th 2008 at 6:00 am EDT

McCain's Latest Iran Dud: Maybe Cigarettes Will Kill The Iranians.

Sen. John McCain hasn't had good luck joking about Iran. But he tried it again Tuesday.

Responding to a question about a survey that shows increased exports to
Iran, mainly from cigarettes, McCain said, "Maybe thats a way of killing them."

He quickly caught himself, saying "I meant that as a joke" as his wife, Cindy, poked him in the back.

Last time, it was also Iran. His singing about bombing Iran to the theme of the Beach Boy' "Barbara Ann" drew derision from many quarters but a "lighten up" response from McCain.

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By Jeremy (Hails from Maine) Jul 9th 2008 at 8:45 am EDT

Jonathan, why don't you run for office since you have all the answers. And if you garner up enough support to win the nomination against an extremely tough opponent, then show just how perfect you are at "sticking to your word". Like, because you say one thing no longer can you actually think and try to use your judgement based on the actual legislation being proposed. No longer can you try to compromise if necessary. See, you probably couldn't handle that so maybe it's time you wake up from your little dream.

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By Jeff in "Mayretta", GA -- Middle aged, yet a first time voter because of Barack Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:07 am EDT

I was there

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 12:07 am EDT

Good Evening Night Owls

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By Marianne Jul 9th 2008 at 12:07 am EDT

...and it really gives me alot of hope to see such a fine family with normal parents and children. Barack reminds me of my own husband who ( this just happened yesterday ) wears the same old comfortable pants, shoes, and belts year after year. I have to sneak clothes into the garbage to ever get rid of them.

The children are so ingenuous (candid,fair,open,frank) and utterly charming. I thought it was touching when they mentioned that Barack just drops that big old suitcase in the doorway ( on the little one's shoes, no less ) since he is probably anxious to be home with his family. If that is the most they can accuse their Dad of then they are lucky indeed.

I found myself laughing when their oldest said she hates the talk when Mom and Dad sit her down and basically remind her what is important in her life. I could tell that she realized it was probably best for her and she showed understanding and maturity by tolerating her Mom and Dad as if they did this to satisfy themselves...you know, humor old Mom and Dad.

Can everyone join me in appreciating this fine family who seems so very decent and self-effacing (shy, humble, and modest) ? Our country could be very proud indeed to have them in the White House and I believe I can foresee them there already. The pictures are forming in my mind - yep they are there all right. It will happen.

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By Global Citizen Linda Jul 9th 2008 at 12:10 am EDT

Extremely nice video of the next First Family - I have watched clips of this repeatedly

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By Jennifer Hussein White ----"On to the White House with Senators Obama/Biden" Jul 9th 2008 at 12:15 am EDT

Yes, this country would be blessed with such role models.

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT

They are two really sweet little girls, and smart too. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. :)

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By Jeanne, "who volunteers at the pleasure of the President" in Eugene, Oregon Jul 9th 2008 at 12:13 am EDT

Is there a link to the complete interview? I've just seen bits.

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By SiSerious Jul 9th 2008 at 12:37 am EDT

Here ya go!
Link

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By Jeanne, "who volunteers at the pleasure of the President" in Eugene, Oregon Jul 9th 2008 at 12:49 am EDT

thanks Angela!
Just got in from a quick evening walk with the dogs. It's finally cooling down a bit from the warm (for Oregonians with out air conditioning) day.

will watch the Obama family now!

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT

Loving the warm weather in the PNW this week!

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 12:18 am EDT

Marianne, I only watched 2 clips on the web. My home is TV free. You're so right. They are a very lovely and lovable family. Barack and Michelle are so down-to-earth people, your friendly neighbors that you can usually count on for help.
I just love their daughters: smart, humble with no drama...like parents like children.

That's gonna be something to see this American family in the WH.

Viva Obamas!

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By Ron Jul 9th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT

The Obamas are the All-American Family. That's a big reason I find Barack so attractive as a candidate. The Obamas family represents America's best. They're the American Dream realized. No foolin' around with other women, like JFK and Mr. Bill. No alcoholism, like GWB. No tortured psyche, like Nixon. Just a straight-up intelligent mom & dad, & a pair of bright kids they're raising well. Very, very attractive all round. Talk about family values -- the Rovian Christian right better be sitting up & taking notice, because John really suffers in the comparison; and I think the Christian right indeed are noticing the difference, and more so as Barack confesses Jesus Christ as his personal Lord & Saviour in the evangelical churches, as he's been doing, & linking that with his social justice agenda.

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By JimmieFromDayton Jul 9th 2008 at 12:58 am EDT

Hmm! Thanks for the info. I'm thinking that I may be a victim of clothingate too. Going to have to interogate my wife tomorrow :-)

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By Czarina JB in Arizona Jul 9th 2008 at 12:07 am EDT

5

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:08 am EDT

Please give to my fundraiser before Joe gets here and takes it all.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:09 am EDT

Link

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By Christine "No Distractions" O'Bama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:10 am EDT

LOL

You beat Joe, so you got it, Jim. :)

And now I am off to bed. That "first" wore me out. :P

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:12 am EDT

Wow. Sometimes even that bad raps work if you say them with enough passion. Thanks.

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By joe ruwe Jul 9th 2008 at 12:58 am EDT

I'll take the rest of the night off!

Rock and Roll...

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By Jeff in "Mayretta", GA -- Middle aged, yet a first time voter because of Barack Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:23 am EDT

Well, the guy (with the Argyle sweater) behind Barack is our volunteer group leader, Mel, who got my tickets for me. His fiance, Lisa, is between Barack and himself. Also, this Link has some pics Mel took. I'm in a few, I'm holding my (very cute) 4yr old in a couple pics.

I couldn't take any pics because a bank of spotlights was shining in my face (you can see me with my sunglasses on in one pic!) It was almost like staring into the sun. Don't know how people (like Barack) do it every day.

One secret service guy kept looking at me. Maybe wondering, "Maybe we should check out this guy wearing the sunglasses?" LOL

Mel and Lisa got to shake Barack's hand. I didn't try. I was super late for work already.

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 12:37 am EDT

Hey Jeff, thanks for sharing the pics! Your daughter is adorable. Hope you enjoyed the town hall. I thought he was on fire today. I loved his answers to the questions.

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By Jeff in "Mayretta", GA -- Middle aged, yet a first time voter because of Barack Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:46 am EDT

Yes, his answers were on point.

For contrast, I watched McCain's town hall event from Denver today and Ugh! is the best I can say about it. Do they pay people to show up at his town halls? He's horrible.

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 12:56 am EDT

Yes, McCain's town hall was like bad stand up comedy. It was really awful. If he weren't trying to be so mean and dishonest in his poorly conceived and delivered humor, I would have felt sorry for him.

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By Millie Bradenton FL Jul 9th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT

Was this the same town-hall meeting that they ticketed a 60 year old libriarian for having a sign that read McCain=Bush? I heard Rachel Maddow report that this woamn was outside the townhall meeting on a city street with this sign and they told her that if she didn't leave they would arrest her. Geez whatever happened to free-speech?

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By Sue Hussein in Florida born on 9/11 Jul 9th 2008 at 6:55 am EDT

Jeff, great pictures. You have a beautiful daughter.

Have a great day!

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 12:11 am EDT

Help me keep my streak alive

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By Jason Jul 9th 2008 at 12:22 am EDT

I thought horse slaughter was illegal in the US?

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By Kestrel Jul 9th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT

I think they did close the horse slaughterhouses located in the US - slaughtered for human consumption. But horses can still be shipped to Mexico for slaughter and they saw a 312% increase in 2007 since we closed our slaughter houses. So that didn't really solve anything except make the horses endure longer transport times.

However, I think the first post is referring to wild horses and burros being euthanized (not killed for human consumption) because the BLM can't adopt enough of the extra ones out. They have no natural predators and reproduce at like 17%. So these wild horses compete in forage habitat not only with elk and deer, but also the cattle of ranchers. I live in the West and have come across quite a few wild horses not only on BLM but NF land too. I see no danger in the wild horse going extinct in America. I do see wild horses as another stressor on the natural ecosystem that can only take so much before collapsing. Personally, I think euthanizing extra wild horses is much more humane than letting them starve.

There appears to be a drought in the West, the economy sucks so some people in the West are even abandoning their horses which go to the wild, and people aren't adopting as much since it's expensive to keep and take the extra effort to "gentle" wild horses.

I think this page provides good perspective on the BLM wild horse/burro program.
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By PM- Ohio Jul 9th 2008 at 12:14 am EDT

Can someone upload this version of the Obama Family interview on You Tube? NBC Nightly News aired this version of the Access Hollywood interview and it is precious. Thank you.

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By Connie_W in Arizona Jul 9th 2008 at 12:17 am EDT

I saw it on MSNBC, too. It was such a great piece.
That family is so darn wholesome.

We have to get Barack elected.

I trust Obama!!

Fired up in AZ!!

My lonely FR Link

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By MaryanneAZ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:22 am EDT

Malia and Sasha - real "Obama Girls"! They are just precious. Seeing this family in this casual interview is a real winner. }}}fist bump{{{

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By Tracy Jul 9th 2008 at 2:46 am EDT

Just google access holllywood: the interview (3 parts) is all there. Wonderful family!

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By Joe from Dedham, MA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:14 am EDT

VOTE DOWN THIS FISA BILL NOW! IT IS TIME TO STAND UP AND ACT.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:16 am EDT

What's the update? Is the vote tomorrow?

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By Linda from Henderson, NV Jul 9th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT

Barack Obama has taught constitutional law; he's an expert. He of all people should know that what he's supporting is unconstitutional. Why is he doing this instead of using his oratorical skills to explain to the American people (as he did so brilliantly on the issue of race) the purpose of the 4th Amendment and the danger FISA poses. Republicans will try to convince people that if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to be afraid of. A Democrat should tell people that FISA is part of the politics of fear. It has a chilling effect on American's willingness to take a stand for fear of government retribution. How far right will Obama swing now that he takes his base for granted? This isn't "change," this is "caving in."

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By Ed in Austin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:18 am EDT

FISA is not unconstitutional. What Bush did is and the new bill provides oversight to prevent that. The new bill requires warrants with probable cause. and Obama, as a constitutional expert, knows what everyone who has studied the constitution knows. The constitution means exactly what the Supreme Court says it means at any given time in history. No more, no less. That is why we need Obama appointing the next three Justices.

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:16 am EDT

NEXT, NOT THIS TIME!

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:20 am EDT

I think you are right that we won't be able to vote it down this time. I'm hoping that we will get a better bill next time around. This will have to be revisited one way or the other.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT

I agree Linda. I want everyone to know that I do not expect him (as he is just 1 senator) to stop the bill but if he cannot cast his vote against it than the enthusiasm, energy and money all of you good people are positively trying to generate will be undermined. All he has to do is vote "no" on the bill. Otherwise, he is telling a large part of his supporter base that he does not care about them, respect our opinion or care that he told us he will oppose legislation of this type. But that is not the worst part. The bad part is, as Jonathan Turley on Countdown said tonight, it will eviscerate the Fourth Amendment. This is not just about foreign communications. I will still vote for him but no more registration, no more calls and no more writing blogs defending him and pointing out the numerous hypocrisies of John McCain.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT

this is way too frustrating for me. i give up on even trying to make sense of any of this anymore.

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By old white woman Jul 9th 2008 at 2:21 am EDT

I guess this 71 yr old woman will have to take up the slack for you. I can work 2- 3 days a month for Obama/Dems instead of 1-2 and I can do more Gotv. I can even do it in GA. for a week or so. Where, Perry, Valdosta, Augusta, Albany?? Savannah, Brunswick!

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By old white woman Jul 9th 2008 at 2:22 am EDT

I guess this 71 yr old woman will have to take up the slack for you. I can work 2- 3 days a month for Obama/Dems instead of 1-2 and donate the money. I can do more Gotv. I can even do it in GA. for a week or so. Where, Perry, Valdosta, Augusta, Albany?? Savannah, Brunswick!

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:29 am EDT

this is way too frustrating for me. i give up on even trying to make sense of any of this anymore.

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By Obamaismyguy! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT

On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the fillibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too).

I wish he didn't have to play this stupid game of "Politics", and could vote his true feelings. However, unfortunately, if he wants to get elected so he can help us little guys, he MUST play the game to some extent. I for one do not think he is "selling out".

He has weighed the pros and cons, and I trust that he knows what he is doing and will make it up to us all once he's in the White House.

Obama = President for the People
McCain = President for the Lobbyists and the Wealthy

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 2:02 am EDT

aww, noone of this makes sense. i feel a migraine coming on. the same people who are accusing him of fisa are the ones accusing him of playing politics and the ones who actually expect him to play politics by playing to a specific base on a specific issue. so it's ok fo rhim to play politics as long as he is pacifying them. sure recipe for a big loss.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:35 am EDT

No I agree with his shift on public financing on DC v. Heller (the gun case), his pragmatic need to not have a mandate on health insurance. I have been defending him for months but I cannot sit by when he takes a position which violates principles that I believe so strongly in. A lot of Democrats will oppose this bill. Men who respect as much as Obama like Russ Feingold and Patrick Leahy and others I respect less such as Harry Reid and, I believe Dick Durbin.

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By Patrice from Gardena, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:19 am EDT

Jim, I think it is tomorrow...

I still stand by Obama...

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:23 am EDT

That's what I thought. As someone who is against it I encourage those of you who are also against it to make one last phone call or email to your favorite two (or 3 senators). I also would suggest that if you are against it that it makes more sense to try to cajole Obama supporters to join you. Resorting to threats on either side generally does not prove to be productive.

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:26 am EDT

Jim, I am going to trust Senator Obama on this one. I have read about everything there is to read and I am going to support him.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:32 am EDT

I never trust people running for office or people in office. I have to evaluate based on my own information and reading of the situation. I'm not sure that trust is within my capabilities. I do trust people I know personally but in this case I go with what I read. So while I still disagree with Obama on this, it is not enough to cause me to switch my vote. In reality I could spend all day talking about the differences that I have with Obama and the Democratic party in general. I am a Green and haven't voted for Democrats (or Republicans) for years. Obama is an exception. I do it more to give him a chance rather than because I trust him. So I still oppose his decision and I think it is a mistake, but that won't stop me from supporting him in this election.

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:37 am EDT

Thanks Jim for explaining. I recall a few days ago you said that you were Green. I enjoyed your comments, I learned a lot. thanks.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 12:42 am EDT

I'm confused. If you are willing to give the man a chance then you must trust him to an extent, maybe not 100% but there is some trust.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT

Nope. There is no trust involved. I will give him a chance to get elected but I have no delusions. I will be a vigilant thorn in his side. I saw it in 1992 when the Democrats one with Clinton and most that I know trusted the Dems to do the right thing. For the most part they didn't. I expect that Obama will act based on the pressures put on him. If we do not pressure him to do the right thing there will be plenty of others pushing him to do the wrong thing. Politics is always about power. Power is not a matter of trust. In politics you reward those that support you and you oppose those that don't. And it goes both ways. But I would never say I trust him or anyone in political office. Trust implies that I can just sit back and watch to see what he does. This will never happen for me and I believe any complacency will be our downfall. It has been in the past and it will be again if we do not hold all politicians feet to the fire.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT

i guess we have different notions of trust.for me to expect someone to do something concerning my life i'd have to trust that person some how (whatever %) but it does not mean that i'd just sit back, do nothing but watch. no! i'll still be an active participant otherwise it'd mean i don't care about my own life.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT

For months I trusted him and marveled at his leadership. I am now, strictly because of the FISA compromise, losing total trust in him. The more I study it, I see it is not a compromise but a capitulation. After months of unbounded enthusiasm, the interest to read every article I could about Obama, the desire to fight then Clinton and now the Republicans, I see the campaign for me ending tomorrow. This is the moment of truth. I beg all of you to call your Senator and register your disapproval. The Obama campaign is on the verge of losing a great deal of support from thousands of supporters who were no less avid than the rest of you. I see this as a crisis.

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By Nashfan for Obama in Phoenix, who has had "ENOUGH!" Jul 9th 2008 at 1:04 am EDT

I support Obama 100 percent, through thick and thin. My trust in him is not fickle like yours.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT

Up until a week and a half ago I was a 100% supporter who for more than 12 months would wake in the morning check the latest polls, read the blogs, write post, make calls, and more recently register voters. I would defend him on other blogs and educate others who did not know his record. I have pasted his issue page or one of them thousands of times. For you ro suggest I am fickle is frankly insulting to me. When I first saw he supported the bill, I tried to justify it. Then I read more about the bill -not just the teleom immunity but IG oversite, etc. - and realized that it undermines our Constitution and that Obama is too smart not to know that. Until last week, I was enthusiastic for twelve months as I could be.

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By Ed in Austin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT

I disagree that FISA is unconstitutional. Many people can get on either side of constitutional disagreements which is why there is a Supreme Court. They decide what the constitution means and only them. That is their sole purpose and that is why we mush have obama appointing the next 3-4 Justices.

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By Obamaismyguy! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT

So now you're going to vote for McCain who also will vote FOR the bill, but will also continue on the low road? Doesn't seem too smart an idea to me...

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT

No I never said I'd vote for McCain. Am I not allowed to express my dissent here now without being exposed to unfounded accusations. I believe Obama is making a grave mistake that will hurt his campaign. There are 23,000 supporters on the "Vote No on FISA" group blog. That is a lot of money and energy being squandered. There are still thousands of Clinton supporters who will use this as an excuse not to come on board. I believed him the dozens of times he has said he would restore our civil rights in this country. He doesn't have to come up with a complicated policy, like for energy or health care, tomorrow; just do what is right and vote "no" on the bill.

I would never vote for McCain. I would like to spend the next several months exposing him but if Obama votes yes tomorrow then I will not be able to see him as anything other than another politician willing to compromise principles. Ten days ago I would have never said that.

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By MaryanneAZ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:26 am EDT

Your dissent is nonproductive and divisive. Enough said.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT

No I never said I'd vote for McCain. Am I not allowed to express my dissent here now without being exposed to unfounded accusations. I believe Obama is making a grave mistake that will hurt his campaign. There are 23,000 supporters on the "Vote No on FISA" group blog. That is a lot of money and energy being squandered. There are still thousands of Clinton supporters who will use this as an excuse not to come on board. I believed him the dozens of times he has said he would restore our civil rights in this country. He doesn't have to come up with a complicated policy, like for energy or health care, tomorrow; just do what is right and vote "no" on the bill.

I would never vote for McCain. I would like to spend the next several months exposing him but if Obama votes yes tomorrow then I will not be able to see him as anything other than another politician willing to compromise principles. Ten days ago I would have never said that.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:38 pm EDT

I will shut up then. Apparently dissent is not appreciated here. I'll stick to the mybo group.

We'll see if he votes for it at 2:15. I apologize for bringing it up on here. I thought we could hold him to his previous word the day befor the vote. The fact I care so passionately about this issue, I suppose, is not your problem.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT

did you really read this bill? could you tell me where i could locate it? please.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:30 am EDT

Here's the link:
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No I didn't read every provision. I read several parts of it and also read various commentaries, most of them from writers who have been clear Obama supporters throughout the last six months of the campaign.

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By Woman over 60, finally old enough for Medicare! Jul 9th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT

Jonathan, I know where you're coming from. Health care is my thing, and as a provider, I have been disappointed that he's not yet, to my knowledge, stood up in support of providers, although I've certainly written to him enough about what a ridiculous position we are in, trying to make a living in this system. We are not the thieves of the system. It undermines one's faith when the issues near and dear don't come up, or don't come up in the way that we might want them to.

At the same time, we can't kid ourselves that change in this country is going to happen overnight. There is a lot of corruption, good old boy stuff, long traditions of American policies, businesses that are entrenched, etc. Things are only going to change slowly. And they won't happen if the president is perceived as a radical. Remember Ross Perot? I think he'd have been a disaster, not because I disagreed with his positions, but because of his angry and self-righteous manner. He'd have gotten nowhere in working with the congress.

Barack is walking a tightrope. His brilliance, I think, is being able to keep his eye on the prize, i.e., on the true reality, while working the game. I don't think he will let go of the prize. There will be compromises in getting where he wants to go. Some of them I won't like.

I trust that he's smart, and his heart is in the right place.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT

I have never believed change will happen over night. It will take years. But all he has to do is vote no tomorrow. Let's kill this bill and get a much better one next year. This is not like those other issues that take years to make progress on. This is a matter of not taking another step back. It is a matter of trust. There is a reason 23,000 people have joined the group.

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By MaryanneAZ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:29 am EDT

If Barack votes no tomorrow, then he can kiss this election goodbye. Let's be real people. This is politics not utopia. Everything Barack does is examined under an uber microscope. He has to evaluate the best choice as a Senator and a presidential candidate and vote accordingly. This is reality. Wake up. Lets support our candidate and give him an opportunity to advance change once he is in office. Obama '08

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By Jeremy (Hails from Maine) Jul 9th 2008 at 8:58 am EDT

23,000 is a big number but it is less than 1% of 1.5 million that have signed up on this site. I am willing to bet if people wanted to take the time far more people would show support for Obama on this issue.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:29 am EDT

That type of trusting is exactly why this country is in its present mess.

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 9:46 am EDT

I have called both of my Senators to ask them to support the amendments that would strip immunity provisions. I call my Senators all the time, and never get anywhere. So much for the so called moderate Republicans from Maine.

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By Jason Jul 9th 2008 at 12:24 am EDT

I thought it was today?

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:27 am EDT

I pretty sure it got postponed or they are not done. I should check. I haven't had much time today.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:26 am EDT

I also stand by Obama but not on this issue. I am opposed to the bill. However, as someone who would like to see the bill defeated I don't see any benefit of threatening other Obama supporters. It would be nice if you would oppose it but if you don't I am not going to end my support. I have many issues with Obama and will stick with him. However, I will always let him know when I stand in opposition.

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:31 am EDT

Jim, he would want you to do that. Barack is a very open-minded man and he realizes that we will not agree with everything he proposes. I don't agree with him on some things that are very important to me, however, there is so much right with this man, that there is no way that I cannot support him.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:37 am EDT

You have never seen me ever say anything other than I support him.

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:38 am EDT

I know.

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By Nashfan for Obama in Phoenix, who has had "ENOUGH!" Jul 9th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT

When I say I stand by Obama it does not mean that I agree with him 100 percent on every issue. I am looking at who would be the best POTUS for our country, and the answer is Obama, regardless of the disagreements (only few, in my case, and I know he will still be better than the other guy).

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By Kevin ":: g+s+ ::" Winterfield Jul 9th 2008 at 12:32 am EDT

... all in good time ...

-k
g+s+ :: raise the tide :: !!

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By VA Gentleman Jul 9th 2008 at 12:37 am EDT

The Constitution must be preserved, including the 4th Amendment. Those who have betrayed and violated "We the People" must be bought to account. How can we expect "change" and the restoration of the rule of law in this country from anyone who would aid in the cover-up and continued breaking of the law for political expediency? Only those voting against this calamity can ever expect to see any more of my money or support.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 12:39 am EDT

have you read the bill in its entirety?! look before you leap!

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By Jason Jul 9th 2008 at 12:43 am EDT

They vote tomorrow.. The Washington Post just posted a new article and they support it.. saying it isn't bad..

Link

Jason

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT

The Washington Post has not been on Obama's side. I wouldn't be too happy when they are. They are not our friends. I tend to side with the ACLU and Feingold on this myself.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 12:37 am EDT

what exactly do you want voted down? please be specific!

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By Paul in Fremont, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:15 am EDT

No more donations to the campaign until Obama joins patriotic senate leaders in voting NO on the FISA bill. Voting NO will force the immunity provision to be taken out of the final bill if Democrats and patriotic Republicans stand firm in voting NO.

Check in here to pledge: NO MORE DONATIONS UNTIL "NO" ON FISA!

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:18 am EDT

Okay, NOT!

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By old white woman Jul 9th 2008 at 3:53 am EDT

It is a free country, more or less, will be more free with a Pres. Obama, even if he isn't absolutely perfect on every issue in mine or your judgment. I intend to support Obama for President and Democrats for Congress so when he is sworn in he will have a majority in Congress that is sufficient to actually pass legislation through House and Senate, to approve Federal judges that Obama will recommend, to pass health care, at least get started, to start to end this infernal war in Iraq and pay attention to the one we should be fighting. So many things need attention and I have given up on 99% of Republicans. I am tired of Republican agendas and priorities and I am not a one-issue voter or supporter. John McCain has NO experience about how the average American lives. The military system does not lend itself to the children of Admirals leading average, hardworking lives with average jobs and living conditions. John McCain has never been without healthcare, had to choose between paying bills and buying health care. He has been covered by a government health system from birth to eventual death. That is just one of the things that makes McCain an "elitist" who is out of touch with the real world that most of us live in. You can give aid and comfort to Republicans over one issue, or you can register your feelings To Sen. Obama and move on. That is what I have done. Some of you could not care less about FISA, you are trying to cause trouble for this campaign snd you are trolls, probably paid. I'm sure you will get a bonus if someone thinks you are adversely affecting Obama fundraising or just get a blurb in the MSM.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:18 am EDT

What's the update? Is the vote tomorrow?

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:20 am EDT

Tomorrow, well today depending on your time zone.

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By Connie_W in Arizona Jul 9th 2008 at 12:19 am EDT

Don't be silly.

Not this time!!!

I trust Obama!!!

Fired up in AZ!!

My FR Link

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By Christine "No Distractions" O'Bama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:19 am EDT

In lieu of donations, how about 2300 phone calls through the Obama on-line phone bank?

Night all...looks like it's gonna be a long one...

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By Patrice from Gardena, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:21 am EDT

I will continue to donate until he is in the WH.

Many better start thinking of the alternative.

MCCAIN...Is that an option for us.

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By A Dork Who Prefers to Act Instead of React Jul 9th 2008 at 12:21 am EDT

Not for me and future generations!

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By Patrice from Gardena, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:26 am EDT

Paul, you are entitled to your opinions and they are respected and I have concerns as well with Fisa however this blog is to encourage, inform and support Obama;not the opposite.

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By NorCal Woman Jul 9th 2008 at 12:40 am EDT

Amen. I have talked the FISA BILL to death this past week. I am against this bill and am very disappointed in Obama's vote. But thanks to the blog letting me vent and discuss the issue, I want to thank the folks that took time to discuss instead of name call. It helped me to look at the broader picture instead of getting caught up in one of the important of many issues. Time to move on and get this guy elected!

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT

I appreciate your remarks and I point out to all the Norcal responded positively to discussion and negatively to the name calling. It was in fact this name calling that drove me away from the blog and did more to actually weaken my support than to strengthen it. I have never seen or known anyone to be swayed by treating them negatively. I have seen many instances of people gaining support by treating people respectfully.

Ultimately if we can not persuade by reason we will fail. A little diplomacy goes a long way.

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By NorCal Woman Jul 9th 2008 at 12:40 am EDT

Amen. I have talked the FISA BILL to death this past week. I am against this bill and am very disappointed in Obama's vote. But thanks to the blog letting me vent and discuss the issue, I want to thank the folks that took time to discuss instead of name call. It helped me to look at the broader picture instead of getting caught up in one of the important of many issues. Time to move on and get this guy elected!

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By ♋Tanner♋ Jul 9th 2008 at 12:44 am EDT

Thank you NorCal woman. I have noticed your frustration and it is a poorly written bill. We are family here and families definitely disagree from time to time but we usually come back together.

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By Barack-Biden_the_Vote for Change Jul 9th 2008 at 12:54 am EDT

While I am in agreement with Sen. Obama's decision to support the FISA Bill, I have decided to "agree to disagree". Plus, our support of Barack is not based on "one issue". We support him for many reasons that will help to move this country forward.

Whenever anyone tells you that they have decided to not support Barack because of FISA, just tell them that McCain voted against women's health issues, specifically voting against early pre-screening for breast cancer. As a woman, that is a larger issue for me than FISA at this point in my life.

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By Barack-Biden_the_Vote for Change Jul 9th 2008 at 12:56 am EDT

Oops! I meant "not in agreement".

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 1:06 am EDT

Thanks for this "minor" correction. It helps explain it a bit better.

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By NorCal Woman Jul 9th 2008 at 1:02 am EDT

Amen. I have talked the FISA BILL to death this past week. I am against this bill and am very disappointed in Obama's vote. But thanks to the blog letting me vent and discuss the issue, I want to thank the folks that took time to discuss instead of name call. It helped me to look at the broader picture instead of getting caught up in one of the important of many issues. Time to move on and get this guy elected!

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 5:58 am EDT

And, if Senator Obama is true to his words, to hear voices of concern from true Democrats and not what you refer to as trolls.

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By PM- Ohio Jul 9th 2008 at 12:34 am EDT

Paul,

I disagree with you and will continue to make my monthly donations to Obama. As he says, we are not going to agree on all of issues (90/10). I will stand by him on the 90% that we do agree on!

P.S. This is how the Dems loose when we shoot ourselves in the foot!

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By Kevin ":: g+s+ ::" Winterfield Jul 9th 2008 at 12:38 am EDT

"who do you agree with 100% of the time?"

that's how i'd put it.

let's get Obama in the WH before we get all antsy-pantsy about the 10% or less we disagree with him on...

sound like a plan?

-k
g+s+ :: unite for America :: !!

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:47 am EDT

I only agree with myself around 94% of the time.

For some this is a number one issue though so it can be important. However, the technique of coming to this HQBlog to say that you will not donate is either suspect or simply an ineffective way of promoting your cause. I would prefer if we would all give one last call to our top 3 favorite senators before tomorrow but I won't be threatening you or anyone on this site. I will state that I oppose this bill and I find it to be a significant issue, however I will still be supporting Obama just not on this bill.

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By Coracii - Counting The Days Until January 20th, 2009 Jul 9th 2008 at 3:09 am EDT

I'd be thrilled if I could agree with myself 94% of the time...

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By Gina Jul 9th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT

Sounds like a plan to me.

We have got to stop the silly expectation that Obama can change everything BAM like that.

He's not even president yet!

There are other powerful forces!

Organizational change is a process, not a decision!

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT

But all he has to do tomorrow is vote no tomorrow. Then he will continue to have the enthusiastic support of the thousands who have supported him to date and believed he was for real. Otherwise he risks losing that. Until a week and a half ago I thought he was the best leader of the last 2 generations. Now I wonder if he has duped me; hoodwinked me and whether his "change you can believe in" is just an empty slogan rather than a tool for real change. That is what is at stake tomorrow, nothing more, nothing less.

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By Obamaismyguy! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT

He hasn't "duped" you at all. He is still the same guy and a LOT smarter than you or me. He knows what he's doing and like was said above, if you are willing to vote for McCain just because of this one issue, then you weren't really a true Obama supporter. I hope you will rethink your position by considering what Mr. McCain will do to our country if he is elected.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:41 am EDT

I never said I would vote for him. Is airing disagreement not allowed here?

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By Dinora Jul 9th 2008 at 3:09 am EDT

Jonathan according to you Obama is going to lose support because of this, I for once I'm not ready to give up, I stand by Obama and will continue to donate I understand your fustration. But you must remember we are not always going to agree with all the issues and as an adult you have to handle it, and not act like an imature child throwing a tantrum. It is true he can vote no but also you have to remember that if they don't compromise we are at risk because without the bill we are with no protection. Know my understanding is that they are going to go back and revise this bill we can not have everything all at once.

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:19 am EDT

I have disagreed before with him on some issues and it never caused any breach at all with me. But he has made promises on this issue. Look I know he cannot stop the bill himself. Its only 1 vote. But if he is willing to cave on this issue he is not the man I admired and rooted for so hardily and literally wrapped my dreams with for the last year. Go on "Say No To FISA" I read a comment by a teenager talking about how he had never looked up to politicians before, had gottten his parents involved in the campaign and had worked for him for months. Now he is putting his T-shirts in the closet. He is saying that he will no longer work for him and worse he will not trust politicians again. This issue is not like health care or energy policy where the details can be haggled over. This is a matter of principle. And the amount of oversight is so small that it is tantamount to being warrantless. Law professors from all over the country have written letters opposing it.

Hillary Clinton did not have the power to stop the war. But because she voted for it, we, Obama supporters, relentlessly and correctly, used that vote against her. Is Obama exempt from the same kind of scrutiny?

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 2:08 am EDT

i think progressives are starting to sound more like the far right. it's all or nothing.

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT

This has been posted by Lindy in Oregon 5 minutes ago

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the fillibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

I hope you are aware of what's at stake in this election.

If Barack doesn't get elected because of his "supporters" who don't support him anymore for one issue or the other no matter how important to them, then America doesn't deserve Barack as a leader, then America deserves a Dark Ages Bushist president until you all learn what sacrifice means and that nothing comes at once. Change comes in steps.

Please use your good judgment and support the best choice for your country and the world.

I'm fortunate enough to live in Canada but I have family in Africa and the Middle East who suffer the decisions of your President and your government.
Family who lost everything because of the US occupation of Iraq. Family who went from riches to rags...They call it the American Nightmare.

Where are their constitutional rights? What are you doing to pressure Bush to respect the wishes of the Iraqi government and submit a timetable for troops withdrawal? What have you done to stop Bush from ruining your country?

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By Jonathan from Decatur, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:45 am EDT

Look I have been dreaming about his inauguration for months. I know as well as anyone what is at stake. My hatred of Bush's policies has spurred me to support Obama by making calls and going to SC in October and November to knock on doors. I am telling you (although I will still vote for him) my heart is breaking.

He has said we must hold him accountable. That is what I am trying to do. Am I supposed to shut up like a sheep when he says he will take an action that violates a core belief (the 4th amendment)?

I have argued hundreds, if not thousands of times, about how much is at stake and that winning is everything in this election. But a vote "no" on the bill will not hurt his chances. Its neither pragmatic nor principled.

Go to "Say No to FISA" group. There are people of all kinds that are like me: heartbroken, depressed; some are delegates; some are youngsters; some are elderly; lawyers, doctors, teachers.

We never expected him to agree on every issue. But we believe there are certain core issues that he espoused that energized us. When he would, as he usually did, talk about restoring civil rights and closing Guantanamo, for instance, it would trigger a crowd reaction at his speeches that affirmed that "yeah, he is our man." If he votes for that bill tomorrow, that will be gone.

I don't ususally stay up this late blogging(i'm on the east coast) but I feel so strongly that I feel compelled.

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By MaryanneAZ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:36 am EDT

Your continued whining and persuading help no one, unless it is cathartic for you. If you need catharsis, I suggest a journal. I find your posts so negative and unpersuasive, and frankly, offensive. We have two choices: Obama or McCain? I'm for Obama.

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:41 am EDT

I think I'm about 74% but I'm a Green so I suppose that is pretty good. I think that Dems are pretty good at shooting themselves in the foot. I have been watching you do that for years. But I think it is important to keep in mind that voters will make choices and they do not act as cohesive groups especially that group you all call the Democratic Party. Voters choose candidates because candidates run effective campaigns that attract enough voters to win.

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By Ron Jul 9th 2008 at 1:18 am EDT

Why get fixated on FISA to the exclusion of all other issues, even before Barack has cast his vote? This election turns on very, very much more than the retroactive right to sue telcos over possible 4th Amendment violations. My God, people!

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:33 am EDT

Obama promised to oppose FISA capitulation in the primary. If he suddenly reneges on his promise now that the primary is over, he deserves the diminishment of trust that is occurring. I do hold out hope that he will in fact vote no, and didn't just lie to us.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Jul 9th 2008 at 12:35 am EDT

I will not participate in political blackmail. Obama is not the only senator on this issue. He is one man. Get over yourself Paul.

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By T. Perry Jul 9th 2008 at 12:37 am EDT

Sorry. I am opposed to this FISA bill, but Obama is our best choice for president. I will continue to donate although I have expressed my opinion to my senators. It is imperative that we support Obama or we may end up with President McCain deciding our future policy on security, the Supreme Court, the war, etc....

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By Jason Jul 9th 2008 at 12:45 am EDT

New Washington Post article on FISA..
Link

Jason

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By Obamamaniac Jim B - Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall Jul 9th 2008 at 12:50 am EDT

I am not a big fan of the Washington Post. They have also not be a big fan of Barack Obama. I'm not sure that I "trust" their judgment. I personally stand by the ACLU and Senator Feingold. Feingold at least is a supporter of Obama, but not on this issue.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:35 am EDT

Who cares? WaPo ran a bunch of pro-war propaganda to get us into the Iraq war. They have no credibility on issues like this.

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By Jeff in "Mayretta", GA -- Middle aged, yet a first time voter because of Barack Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 12:40 am EDT

Obama has my unwavering support with everything that entails.

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By NorCal Woman Jul 9th 2008 at 12:47 am EDT

In Paul's defense, a whole lot of people from the Bay Area in California are upset about this. More vocal groups out here on the left coast. There is actually a group of people that were for Obama taking him to court to get their money back they donated, because they feel betrayed and felt they were sold a lie on the issue. It seems ridiculos , but this is how some wish to voice their opinion....very absurd...

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By Barack-Biden_the_Vote for Change Jul 9th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT

That sounds retarded...I don't even understand these "one issue" voters. Sometimes many people can't see the forest for the trees. It is truly unfortunate that many can't see the bigger picture.

I am originally from Illinois and I voted for Barack for State and U.S. Senate and I totally understand the strategy of supporting a bill with the attempt to getting more of what you want in the bill at a later time. He is a legislator and he sees much further down the line than we do as non-legislators.

He is not a "one issue" candidate... you cannot be a one issue president and govern the entire country. For the people who are having a problem with Barack's positions, they should read his book "The Audacity of Hope" and you will see that he is always thought from Left to Center.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 12:48 am EDT

thanks for reminding me to donate. i'm off to do that.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT

thanks again. i finally set up my recurring donation on the donate now page. much easier than trying to do it with my bank.

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By Mo Jul 9th 2008 at 12:51 am EDT

I donated today and talked my husband and my son into donating today!

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By Ed in Austin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT

The immunity provision has been in there for 32 years. No matter what, the telcoms aren't going to be sued.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT

you know!

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT

you know!

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By Marie Hussein from New Mexico Jul 9th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT

I am completely dedicated to Barack Obama. I will continue to donate, to support, to HOPE.

I personally reject the cynicism on one issue and I personally refuse to allow that one issue to minimize the significance of all the other, equally crucial issues.

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By Trish - Working To Elect That One Jul 9th 2008 at 2:56 am EDT

No way!!!

I want to see him win in November and am not about to hobble him over this issue.

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By Coracii - Counting The Days Until January 20th, 2009 Jul 9th 2008 at 3:07 am EDT

Sorry, my donations will continue every Thursday just as they have for the past 8 months. Nice try though.

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By old white woman Jul 9th 2008 at 4:11 am EDT

Amen!

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By Pizzaro Jul 9th 2008 at 4:57 am EDT

If you want to keep your money that's your choice.
One controversial issue is not a deal breaker for me given the choices

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By Annie, Fired Up! in the Emerald City Jul 9th 2008 at 12:28 am EDT

Someone posted a link on a previous thread, which showed Obama winning a poll against McCain with 65% of the vote on Sean Hannity's Website, and I thought it doesn't get better than this.

Then I left the thread to check the news and found an article at the conservative Wall Street Journal about McCain's dismal performance at today's town hall meeting. Here's a link:

Link

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By Patrice from Gardena, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:30 am EDT

Good Stuff....This is the positive news we need on this blog...Thanks

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By Kevin ":: g+s+ ::" Winterfield Jul 9th 2008 at 12:30 am EDT

... as soon as you post a well thought out comment on a thread, HQ goes and starts a new one?

... it's like washing your car only to have it rain the next day...

tell me i'm not the only one who 'they're' watching?

hee hee,
-k
g+s+ :: the threadmaker :: !!

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT

Kevin, I have to tell you how much I appreciate your humor and outlook!! You always make me smile--and chuckle too.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT

trust me pal, i feel your pain!

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By Cornell Hussein from Harrisburg PA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:31 am EDT

I don't understand,,,If we are america and want everyone represented, and want everyone to work together, what is wrong with being in the middle on some issues??

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:33 am EDT

Cornell, I don't see a problem, but others feel differently and that is okay.

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By Kevin ":: g+s+ ::" Winterfield Jul 9th 2008 at 12:34 am EDT

beautifully put!

we have to work together here...

-k
g+s+ :: middle-left please :: !!

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By James Jul 9th 2008 at 12:36 am EDT

I agree we need to work together.

But, I don't think warrantless wiretaps are middle, that is a neo-con view.

But hey, I am super liberal, probably almost a socialist on economic issues and a libertarian on social issues. So maybe it's just me.

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By ♋Tanner♋ Jul 9th 2008 at 12:41 am EDT

This new bill that is being voted on tomorrow puts back warrants for wiretapping. The Bush administration was not using warrants. That is why Barack is reluctantly supporting it.

Obama '08

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT

Here is a link to a discussion of the FISA issue from Dan Abrams Tuesday broadcast.

It is a fairly balanced discussion and Adam Smith makes some good arguments for the compromise.

My one issue with Abrams' portrayal of Sen Obama's position is that he mistakenly says that he supports telecom immunity. Sen Obama has consistently stated that he does NOT support telecom immunity and will work to strip those provisions from the bill.

Here is the video.

Link

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 2:13 am EDT

dan abrams probably said that because everyone has been screaming bloody murder about it he figured barack was for immunity without doing his research.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT

i watched this and i see more clearly now how truly self destructive progressives can be.

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By CalBear Jul 9th 2008 at 12:51 am EDT

I agree on the warrantless wiretap issue.

That said, I was just saying to a friend the other day, who was fretting about Obama's recent perceived centrist moves, that we've had 8 years of a President who governed as if he was President of those who voted for him. Obama won't just be the President of the left, or the blogosphere, or even of Democrats. He's going to be President of the United States. That means we are likely to not always agree with him on everything. But I'm voting for him because he genuinely wants us to be part of the conversation, and to hold our elected leaders (including him) accountable. The anti-FISA group on this website is the perfect example. So many people signed up that it forced the campaign to initiate a dialogue with voters--directly. Not everyone agreed with Senator Obama's response, but he engaged with his supporters on a critical issue. When has anyone ever done that in recent memory? Not Bush. Not even Clinton.

I don't think Obama is "moving to the middle," but he his perhaps using some slightly different language, so that he can engage ALL voters in the issues using terms that are accessible to all. Ok, maybe it's because I'm a teacher (and we're all about making content accessible). But Obama has a responsibility to engage the entire electorate in these vital conversations. If that means he's temporarily perceived as moving to the center (when very few of his fundamental positions have actually changed), then fine, as long as it engages more voters and gets folks to listen to what he has to say. That's what this is all about, right?

Obama! Enough rambling for me! :-)

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT

I agree CalBear, well put.

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By CalBear Jul 9th 2008 at 12:59 am EDT

:)

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By FiredUpInCA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT

CalBear, what a sensible, well-stated point-of-view on all of this.

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By CalBear Jul 9th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT

Thanks, FiredUp. I feel sometimes we all need to be talked down from the proverbial ledge. This is what I tell myself when I get a little freaked out. Then I donate, or come hang here! ;-)

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By Barack-Biden_the_Vote for Change Jul 9th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT

I agree in totality!

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT

And I am so impressed by the platform discussions (see an earlier HQ blog). The idea that we are being invited to participate in creating our Democratic platform is an example of real representative democracy. It is also a chance to have in depth discussions with neighbors and friends about issues that are important. Having those kinds of conversations will bring us closer together as communities--these kinds of activities will create tremendous local and personal change.

Communities often come together in crises, but rarely to dream and plan for the future.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT

very well put.

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 12:40 am EDT

Solutions are always found somewhere in the middle.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT

The Germans had a party like that, the German Centrist party. They voted to make Adolf Hitler dictator. Centrism for the sake of centrism is pretty stupid.

Veep Stuff | Report to Admin

By Kevin from Henderson, NV Jul 9th 2008 at 12:35 am EDT

Hey all!

Check out these key qualifications for our VP pick I found online. Help post them around the Net and get the word out and send them to Obama too!

1] ONLY THE BEST: We cannot afford to become overconfident and take this pick lightly. We must not settle for just any average choice but nothing less than the BEST POSSIBLE running mate to ensure victory in November.

2] CHANGE, NOT STRANGE: We need a solidly experienced VP to convince voters that we are offering them change, yes -- but wise, competent and pragmatic change, not wild-eyed, irresponsible and scary change.

3] FIGHT THE FEARS: With global tensions from Iraq to Iran filling daily headlines and demanding strong, trusted leadership to allay voters' understandable anxieties, our VP must be an absolute bulwark of international and defense experience -- thereby neutralizing the security trump card and FEAR card that Republicans will inevitably play, especially if an unexpected and terrible event occurred.

4] FIGHT THE SMEARS: We need a seasoned and tough-as-nails running mate who will avoid novice stumbles on the campaign trail, and help Barack fight back against what will be one of the dirtiest campaigns our Swift-boating opponents have ever launched.

5] UNITING NOT SLIGHTING: Given the decisive role that female voters will play, we must be sure that our pick is unquestionably deserving and experienced to be Vice President -- in other words, quite simply ready to be PRESIDENT, and right NOW (Dan Quayle need not apply!) -- so as to avoid giving former Clinton supporters a justifiable reason to be upset at seeing an ostensibly less qualified person chosen over her.

6] BEYOND THE ELECTION: Finally, we need an experienced VP who will allow us to not only win but to govern effectively afterwards, who can help transform idealistic platforms into a pragmatic agenda overcoming Washington's dysfunctions, and serve as a senior adviser to help Obama manage the harsh learning curve of the toughest job in the world.

So let's choose a VP who will not only help us to win the White House, but who will serve and benefit our country as remarkably as Senator Obama himself!

Post this wherever you go online, share it with friends and contacts, send it to Barack directly -- and encourage others to do the same!

YES. WE. CAN.
YES. WE. DID.
YES. WE. WILL.

P.A.O.
Patriotic Americans for Obama

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By jenny "hussein" jay, elitist extraordinaire Jul 9th 2008 at 12:46 am EDT

Mr. Obama, I admire you so much and I gave you my vote on Feb. 5th. I ask that you please vote against FISA tomorrow!

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:38 am EDT

Posted earlier byy Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)"

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By Annie, Fired Up! in the Emerald City Jul 9th 2008 at 12:48 am EDT

I'm posting this for Reggie, in case he doesn't see this blog. His daughter Josie wants to meet Senator Obama when he visits Germany, so she can give him gifts for Sasha and Malia. Please read Reggie's letter he sent to HQ on his blog. Josie's story will touch your heart, I promise. Here's the link to Reggie's blog:

Link

Reggie is asking everyone to email HQ to support his letter with the statement, "Remember Josie" with a link posted to his blog. This will only take a few minutes, and might help a little girl's dream come true.

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:41 am EDT

Please Obama friends read Reggie blog. I couldn't hold my tears. Josie is so precious.
Please help...It'll take only 5 minutes.

Thank you ♥

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By Annie, Fired Up! in the Emerald City Jul 9th 2008 at 9:42 am EDT

Thanks for your comments, Joyce. The story touched my heart too. Josie is a special little girl.

What a jokester | Report to Admin

By Jessica_"I am completely in love with Keith Olbermann"_in_IOWA Jul 9th 2008 at 12:48 am EDT

WhY do they even let this man open his mouth?

McCain's Latest Iran Joke
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain hasn't had good luck joking about Iran. But he tried it again Tuesday.

Responding to a question about a survey that shows increased exports to
Iran, mainly from cigarettes, McCain said, "Maybe thats a way of killing them."

He quickly caught himself, saying "I meant that as a joke" as his wife, Cindy, poked him in the back.

Last time, it was also Iran. His singing about bombing Iran to the theme of the Beach Boy' "Barbara Ann" drew derision from many quarters but a "lighten up" response from McCain.

Link

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 12:51 am EDT

lol.

McCain jokes about killing Iranians with cigarattes (video) | Report to Admin

By BAKASSI (Fanor for Obama) Jul 9th 2008 at 12:53 am EDT

This man is sick
Link

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By Gina Jul 9th 2008 at 1:08 am EDT

He needs a brain transplant and a cast on that broken funny bone.

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By Jason Jul 9th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT (Updated Jul 9th 2008 at 11:52 am EDT)

This post has been removed due to offensive or disrespectful content.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT

narrow mindedness, to say the least.

When Will People Get It? | Report to Admin

By Joe Jul 9th 2008 at 12:56 am EDT

When will people get it?

I know many on here understand but folks like Markos and others are just lost and can't see the 'big picture'. Let's take a look at the grand scheme ... why is Obama taking the stance he is on FISA?

First let's look at how congress [both chambers] is perceived ... they are in 'SINGLE DIGITS'. Yes, below BUSH ... now that is saying something. So why does Obama want to look all cozy with the pointless pinheads in congress? He doesn't he needs to position himself as an outsider that can call out both sides as broken and incapable of completing meaningful work for the public due to 'influence peddling'.

I promise Obama will be calling out his own democratic members on their taking of money from lobbyist ... Yes even from the Telecoms.

Boom now you have it ... he will be perceived by the American Electorate as a Washington Outsider ... the CHANGE AGENT that can get stuff done.

You will see in the months to come that he will be pushing hard to change the leadership within the House and Senate ... Pelosi and Reeds days are numbered. This move will be done in September and again solidify the CHANGE perception.

NOW TRUST OBAMA and watch magic happen in our lifetime.

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By Gina Jul 9th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT

R E A D Y
F O R
M A G I C

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By Ed in Austin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT

Obama will have no influence over the make up of the Congressional leadership. Except for perhaps casting a vote in the Senate which will not happen until 2009 when he is President-elect. Separation of powers.

Veep talk.... | Report to Admin

By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT

Why it could very well be Hillary......

McCain's best chance of cutting into Obama's lead is if McCain chooses a female and Obama runs with a male. Therefore it is in McCain's interest to announce his VP choice after Obama. So I am sure camp Obama is worried that McCain will run with a female VP.
Which leads us back (like it or not) to running with Hillary........What I'm saying is that team Obama might not risk Mccain running with a female, since many HRC voters would likely then be really tempted by McCain.

thoughts?

SvK

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 12:58 am EDT

I kinda jumbled my post...I hope it makes sense.

SvK

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT

EXAMPLE:

Obama announces that his pick is Biden.............Now McCain knows Obama has picked a male........He then announces a female pick for VP..........Many women flock over to Mccain and the race tightens substantially.

See what I'm saying?

It all leads back to Hillary.

SvK

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By Joe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:04 am EDT

McCain still has to stand on his 'women's record' or lack thereof. So in reality he could select Mother Theresa and he is still going to lose.

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By NorCal Woman Jul 9th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT

It makes sense what you are saying, but I think McCain will pick a man that is alot younger than him. Unless, he picks Condi-which would be a terrible ticket.

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:21 am EDT

Norcal...

Think it through........McCain is in "Hail Mary" land (no pun intended)....He knows his chances of winning are slim, and his BEST shot, is running a woman.

Obama is exciting, capable and would be the FIRST AA to lead this nation....

McCain doesn't have any "FIRSTS"

A female VP gives him this.

SvK

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By joe ruwe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT

McCain/Rice '08 is just about the worst Presidential ticket ever offered up in the history of our country. imho.

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By Mid America Mom Jul 9th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT

I laugh at the idea. he is running from the Bush not to.

Mid America Mom * Moms for Obama -- Link

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 6:06 am EDT

Disagree. A young person will just make him look older and more out of touch. He will pick Romney to put MI. in play and also OH. and PA.

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By Amy Jul 9th 2008 at 11:53 am EDT

And the West. His LDS religion plays big in Nevada and Utah. In fact, he won the primaries in these two states.

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By Amy Jul 9th 2008 at 11:51 am EDT

Nope. Won't happen. I'm an American first, a Democrat second and a woman third (in this instance). Christi Todd Whitman for VP? Elizabeth Dole? Blech.

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By Connie_W in Arizona Jul 9th 2008 at 1:00 am EDT

I think it's very much up to what Obama decides.

Personally, I'd rather have Hillary in the Senate, doing some good. The VP is not a power position. Her Senate position is much more powerful.

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By Michael Guinn Jul 9th 2008 at 5:51 am EDT

Hillary belongs in the Senate or in a cabinet position- NOT VP-
OBAMA/BIDEN 08

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:29 am EDT

I agree Michael. Clinton would be a bad choice for VP.

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 6:09 am EDT

Senator Obama, if he can get Clinton supporters truly on board will pick Biden which will counter any foreign policy attack

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:28 am EDT

I agree Connie 110%

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:01 am EDT

I have a feeling that Obama will choose Hillary as well. Because the DNC Convention is a week before the GOP convention it give McCain the option to choose a female VP. Which I believe would attract many of the unhappy Hillary supporters.

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:30 am EDT

It will not be Clinton Marcus, that would be a bad choice and a very bad mistake.

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By Joe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:01 am EDT

No it will not be HRC ... it maybe a female but I seriously don't think so. If it is a female it will be Kathleen Seb.

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:06 am EDT

Joe....

I don't think soo..........it's such a "slap in the face" to a MAJOR voting block of the democratic party.

SvK

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By Joe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT

Steve I used to enjoy our conversations but for some reason you are obsessed with this HRC idea and post it about every other day. Consequently, I will not be responding to your post about this again ... I know you probably don't care. Nonetheless, I thought I should let you know and also we can talk again once Obama announces his VP choice and also about other topics but this conversation is simply pointless ... you have a huge blindspot about HRC as VP.

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT

We need the votes of a substantial number of Independent or swing voters and to win in the west we need disaffected Republicans as well. HRC would not help with those voters, in fact she could be just the thing to help McCain rally his base. He is in serious danger of losing the Republican base now.

If the conservative media keep pushing this idea, you know it would be bad for us.

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By Joe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT

agree but not everyone on here understands 'independent voters' nor the deleterious effect HRC has upon them

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT

Joe....

Don't be mad at me......I love our debates. To me all of this analyzing is exciting. This whole election is. I just like discussing it on our blog......

Please don't snub me.

Buddies?

SvK

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:32 am EDT

I agree Joe. Good points!

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT

now, she rocks! Sebelius anyday!

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:31 am EDT

I agree Joe it will not be Clinton. Bad choice and mistake.

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By Gina Jul 9th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT

The same scenario runs through my mind.
It's a crap shoot.
Will Hil bring out the neocons against the ticket?
Will Hil bring out women repubs/indies for the ticket?
What's the balance? Who knows.

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:07 am EDT

Possibly with Hillary bring even more donors to Obama giving him a real "war chest" to combat the 527's.

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:34 am EDT

Don't agree with that Marcus it may be just the opposite.

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:33 am EDT

I will say again Gina Hillary would be a bad choice and a big mistake. There are better choices then her.

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:06 am EDT

Personally i am fine with whoever Barack picks for his running mate. But it is very hard for me to see how Hillary could pass the vetting stage.

Her and Bill still have pending charges in California Superior Court , with the next Court date in October.

Then there is also the Donor list to the Clinton Foundation , that Bill refuses to release.

I just don't see the Obama Campaign willing to open up that can of worms.

But stranger things have happened.

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT

James......

She doesn't pass the vetting.....not by a long shot....However the sheer enthusiasm of a vast amount of her supporters gives her a pass on this.......

SvK

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT

in other words, her supporters will vote for her no matter what the Repubs say......

SvK

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT

Absolutely agree they would vote for Hillary no matter what the GOP says.

During the primaries I would go over to the Hillary Blog and they are very passionate about here.

It would probably be the largest turnout of voters in history if they Obama picked Hillary.

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By Amy Jul 9th 2008 at 12:04 pm EDT

I love, love love, Hillary. Why? Because I was a young woman when Bill ran in 1992 and it was so nice to see a smart, independent, career woman and a man who was not afraid to be married to a woman like her. For once a candidate's wife didn't just stand there and smile like an idiot behind her husband. I identified with her because she went against the norm and I did, too. I didn't want to get married and have children even though that was "what one does" where I grew up. Finally, a modern woman with her own education and career.

As a woman I am so proud of her and her achievements. My favorite thing she has ever said is that "...now there are 18 million crack in that glass ceiling."

But, she didn't win. So now I turn my attention to a man I can feel strongly about, who has broken his own glass ceiling and with whom many people can identify.

I want him to win this race so desperately that I recognize, my love of Hillary not withstanding, that to choose her would be political suicide. I said it before, and I'll say it again, no matter how far we think we've come, there are people who can support a black man or a white woman, but not both. He's got to pick a white male. My vote is for Edwards. He'll bring in the southern votes, middle class, too.

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:19 am EDT

Yes i well give Hillary that much , her supporters are very dedicated.

However this all plays out , we are about to see a brutal General Election unfold before our eyes. This thing is going to be 10 times more intense then the Primaries.

We better be ready.

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT

Let's analyze this further.......

Nearly 40%!!! of HRC fundraisers have decided to not give Obama money, unless she is the VP.

She virtually guarantees Ohio AND PA.(add that to all the States that are DEFINITELY in our corner, and we win)

disclaimer: I am simply analyzing this possibility........I am not endorsing her (not that it matters if I do, since I'm a nobody)....Just thinking it through from every angle always leads me back to HRC.

SvK

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT

There was a Hill-raiser named Linda Forester who brought like $200K for the primaries for Hillary that flat I said she does not support him on CNN tonight. It would of been a different response if Hillary was the VP candidate.

***I am not looking to get flamed with my responses***

Just stating some possibilities.

The bottom line is Obama must be our next President. We did not come all this way to lose.

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:27 am EDT

ABSOLUTELY!!

SvK

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT

NOOOO, in bold letters! to HRC for VP. I hate blackmailers. What do they think this is some game? It's not about her, it's about what's right for this country. On that note, I say
S-e-b-e-l-i-u-s!!!

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:39 am EDT

Thank you Vivian!!

No Hillary for VP!!

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:37 am EDT

Steven you are wrong here. Hillary would not be a good choice here period.

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT

Maybe Obama has predicted this all alone with this reference...

Link

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT

was lincoln blackmailed by his rivals' supporters? i don;t think so. different times different measures..

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By ♥ dreamweaver "Grab A Mop" ♥ aka Vicki from Iowa Jul 9th 2008 at 2:03 am EDT

McCain will not pick a woman. He has no respect for women, not even his wife. I have never seen them walk together even, she is always behind him.

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By Gina Jul 9th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT

WHAT IF MCCAIN PICKS CONDOLEEZA RICE?

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 1:22 am EDT

I wonder what kind of mass hysteria there would be in the media if Obama picks a white woman as VP and McCain picks a black guy as his VP? If identity politics are the order of the day what would THAT do? Chris Matthews would go insane with all the "regular people" talk --who could get their vote??? He'd eventually have to be committed. And Pat Buchanan? Oh God, he'd be committed right along with Chris...

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 1:28 am EDT

Adrienne, you are so right, but I would live to see it. Put them both away, lololol...straight jackets and let them babble and drool. lol.

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT

he might.

SvK

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 1:27 am EDT

You mean the worst national security adviser ever?! Knowing that al queda presented the worst security threat to the US, she did NOTHING, held zero meetings, ignored the red warning lights blinking madly from intelligence agencies in the US and all over the world!

I do not fear Condi Rice.

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By Recovering Whine-O Jul 9th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT

Tamsin, they didn't pick her for her brains!!
There's a book from the 60s by John A Williams, if I post it here I'll get reported so I'll just O-Mail you later. It will explain why they put her in that spot.

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By James a Vietnam Vet from NC Jul 9th 2008 at 1:28 am EDT

Remembered for her association with:

George Bush

Gitmo

Illegal War

Lying about 9/11 and the infamous intelligence report that Bin Laden planned to attack in the U.S.

Her alliance with oil interests

A very weak/unaccomplished Secretary of State

This would only help Obama.

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By Sue Hussein in Florida born on 9/11 Jul 9th 2008 at 7:32 am EDT

Gina,

Condi supports torture. She is no better than Bush.

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:35 am EDT

Good points James!

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT

well, i thought hrc supporters will not vote another woman but hillary. it's damn if he does, damn if he does not.

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 1:27 am EDT

Exactly. Hillary it IS. That's the type of hardball the Clinton's play. Y'all didn't seriously think they were going to walk away did you? Come on now...

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT

Here is a scenario:

Obama on the anniversary of MLK I have a dream speech end his nomination speech in front of 75K+ people at a football stadium and introduces Hillary Clinton as his VP.

John McCain could have the GOP convention being broadcasted live from the Moon and the media would still be talking about the DNC convention.

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT

That's a GREAT idea. People would forget John McCain is even in the race.

It would be most wise, though, for Hillary's folks to STOP trying to sink Obama right now.

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT

Marcus C.

Evemn smarter would be to make the announcement 3 weeks PRIOR to DNC convention......As this would "blanket the news" for 3 weeks!!

Nothing but that narrative would gain traction....and just as the story simmers down: "75.000 in Denver" / MLK Anniversary of I have A Dream"....blankets ANOTHER 3 to 4 weeks of news.....

ie: If your George Lucas, you wouldn't release StarWars 1 and 2 on the same day......

SvK

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:51 am EDT

You are right. McCain would disappear from the media for 3-6 weeks. Kinda like the primaries when Hillary and Barack were battling it out.

This would be the lead story for weeks. Every stop they went would be a big media event.

And then the last few minutes of the daily news programs we would he "McCain Continues To Push His Gas Tax Holiday And Portable Health Care Program"

And by the end of the 6 weeks newscycle no one would care about what the heck McCain said.

To quote a Clinton: "We Are In It To Win It"

+++++NO FLAMES PLEASE++++

Just friendly dialogue between Obama Supporters

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT

and come jan mcain will be waltzing into the white house. No HRC period!

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By ♥ dreamweaver "Grab A Mop" ♥ aka Vicki from Iowa Jul 9th 2008 at 2:07 am EDT

Talk about losing all the republicans and independents Barack has worked so hard to get. Just mention Clinton as VP and they are gone!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:44 am EDT

I agree Vicki 300%

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By Recovering Whine-O Jul 9th 2008 at 2:29 am EDT

I have read all the posts on this topic. You all make some good points. SVK has done considerable research on this I'm sure. But I saw an ad for the McCain campaign today that was taken from the Clinton Beat Obama Down Playbook.
I can stomach FISA, I can cry a little at the slip-slide to the center, still keep on loving Bob Herbert (even for telling the truth), but I cannot and will not support an Obama/Clinton ticket. I said, and I will say again, I cannot and will not support an Obama/Clinton ticket. I will never vote for McCain, but I can sure find something else to do on Election Day besides vote. I have fought too long and too hard for some real changes in this America, to come this far and get bamboozled by this campaign would absolutely destroy my HOPE that things will ever CHANGE.
The thought of watching Hill & Bill again just makes me think of Fannie Lou Hamer getting beat in that jail cell so badly that her kidneys were damaged for life, because she tried to register to vote. The memory of Medgar Evers, and others giving their very lives to be able to vote, makes me honor every vote I have ever cast and taken so seriously that I have been known to break down and cry after casting votes for candidates that I felt strongly about. I know how precious my vote is, don't take it for granted, don't think because I believe in Barack Obama that I will vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket because I won't.
They buried Jesse Helms today and I had to listen to all the lies they tell about bad men when they die. Bill Clinton ran a campaign in the NC primary that was Helms-ish in nature, he did it because he could, he did it because he wanted to win.
I know we're supposed to be all nice on this blog and be united and I am uniting behind Obama, but not if as SVK says, she has to be on the ticket.
Maybe my one little vote don't count, but I say that I am one in millions and that ticket would mean that once again you are taking the AA vote for granted. And that is a fate worse than death for the Democratic Party.

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By Tamsin Jul 9th 2008 at 9:23 am EDT

Carab, I know what you are saying because I was in NC before the primary volunteering in Winston Salem. After the way the African American community supported President Clinton during his misadventures, the things he said were even more of a slap in the face.

It was shocking, and I will never give them a pass for it.

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By RK Jul 9th 2008 at 10:48 am EDT

I don't see women voting for McCain if he pick a female VP. There is a difference between a female VP and female president. VP role is not that significant unless of course your Dick Cheney. The race in the democratic primary is different than a national campaign. In the national campaign it is not about winning over democrats, but republicans and independents. The democratic party was practically owned by the Clintons it is time to move on and have real change. About half the population just hate the Clintons and would never vote for them. It would be so easy for the republicans to attack the Clintons and bring up all the past and the whole Bosnia lie. Edwards said this in one of his debates the republicans wanted Hillary Clinton to win the nomination - she is such an easy target to attack.

I think Edwards would be a better VP Obama and Edwards look comfortable with each other and both have made a commitment to reduce povery by half. This will prove he is serious about change in Washington.

Has Hillary paid off her debt yet?

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:46 am EDT

Very well said Valarie!!

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:43 am EDT

I agree Vivian!!

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By Recovering Whine-O Jul 9th 2008 at 2:51 am EDT

Here is a scenario:

Obama on the anniversary of MLK I have a dream speech end his nomination speech in front of 75K+ people at a football stadium and introduces Hillary Clinton as his VP. The skies will open up, the light will come down and on a cloud of thunder will stand the resurrected body of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. who rapidly descends to earth into the stadium, flies over to Barack Obama and slaps him bald!! "How dare you turn my dream into a nightmare," he says and he turns and ascends back into the clouds, leaving 75K+ people speechless!!

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:47 am EDT

Very good point Valarie and I agree.

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By Kimberly Helen Hussein Jul 9th 2008 at 10:53 am EDT

Obama is a taking the vetting process very seriously.

He wants a baggage-free VP.

Supposedly his Veepstakes is down to the finals and Clinton is not on the list.

I'm thinking Sebelius or Kaine will be the VP(they're squeaky clean).

Barack- please choose someone that shares your vision.

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By BAKASSI (Fanor for Obama) Jul 9th 2008 at 12:57 am EDT

Join and donate and don't mind the detractors
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By Nashfan for Obama in Phoenix, who has had "ENOUGH!" Jul 9th 2008 at 1:03 am EDT

Please consider donating to my page and help Barack win (his campaign seems to be a bit short of money right now).

Link

Obama in 2008!

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By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 1:08 am EDT

Sans....

No insult intended. I realize the women's vote is not monolithic.......

BUT for a vast amount of women (not including you) voters it IS a gender vote......It's true.

SvK

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By Joe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:10 am EDT

I agree 'No Doubt' .. just because a women is on the Repug ticket doesn't cause women to 'FLOCK' to the right. That is not how independent thinking well-intentioned women think and act.

Obama will get over 65% of the women vote in November no matter who McBush has on the ticket.

Time for a debate | Report to Admin

By Obamacan from Montana Jul 9th 2008 at 1:06 am EDT

I really wish that the campaign could get a debate scheduled with John McCain and Barack soon. The press is just giving McCain such a pass on issues, it's crazy - and Americans aren't seeing the real Barack either. We're back to combatting right wing crap like "he's scary, socialist (!), etc." - and there's no facts to base it on.

One point that should be brought up about John McCain's "I won't raise your taxes" stance is that his health care program will make people who are receiving employer-paid health insurance PAY INCOME TAXES on those benefits. It also gives people a $5000 tax credit. Now the thing is - is that a refundable tax credit (meaning that if you only owe $1200 - you'd get $3800 back in a refund check) or is that just a "maximum credit" - meaning that if you owe $1200, it wipes out that $1200 tax liability, but doesn't carry forward and isn't refundable. Also, many people pay for dependent coverage through 125K programs - so under his proposal, is that going to change too?

In any case if Barack were to ask a crowd to raise their hands if they have an employer-health insurance program - and then ask them to multiply the value of those contributions by 15%, 20% or for those in the upper income brackets - 35% - and see if that doesn't wake them up. There are 158 million Americans currently covered by these programs. And the real back story of this is that there are some employers who'd like to shed their employee benefit programs and if they can get the employees in a position where it now increases their taxes to stay with the employer plan - or they get a tax credit to get off, they might leave. EVEN THOUGH - the tax credit isn't enough to cover the cost of the insurance - and many people don't even have a tax liability that high.

This is one way to make those with insurance pay for a tax credit for the have-nots - and the businesses get off scot-free.

Someone should check out McCain's plan, crunch some numbers and put this front and center in the next economic or taxes speech. That might cool off some of that "no new taxes" ardor out there.

Crunching Numbers ... | Report to Admin

By Dianne Jul 9th 2008 at 5:29 am EDT

And, while you speak of crunching numbers on Health Care, I'd like to see some numbers crunched on Small Business.

What is the average WAGE of persons employed in Small Business?

What percentage of persons employed in Small Business are covered by a Health Care Plan cost shared by the Small Business Employer?

The "Grand Old Party" with it's WORN OUT platform of the "Same-old" is 'touting' Small Business as the 'saviour' of the ECONOMY!

Let's see the numbers and the HARD FACTS!

The Republicans will beat him over the head with this issue | Report to Admin

By CM Jul 9th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT

If he votes against this FISA bill the republicans and the McCain campaign will beat him over the head with it.they will say he is weak.he is between a rock and a hard place and it very well could cost him the election.this stuff works in place's like the mid-west and south.

FISA: So what? | Report to Admin

By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT

Democrats are the ones beating him over head. Why?

FISA

A few telecoms are not forced into bankruptcy or protracted civil trials.
There is no guarantee things would work out the way progressives imagine. In fact, the courts would LIKELY rule in favor of the government, and then exonerate the telecoms. This is a legislatively compromise. With a greater than 51-49 majority, perhaps we would get it more our way. BTW, the 51 majority includes Joe Lieberman.

Get real, what do thing our negotiation position really is on this?

Obama denies shifting to the political center | Report to Admin

By BAKASSI (Fanor for Obama) Jul 9th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT

videoLink

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:56 am EDT

that's not denying, that's clarifying as everthing he said in that video link he said even before the primaries began.

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By ♥ dreamweaver "Grab A Mop" ♥ aka Vicki from Iowa Jul 9th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT

Don't forget to BOMB THE MEDIA today. If you have not already signed up for the event here is the
Link

This week we are Bombing CNN with e-mails

Next week MSNBC

My blog has the e-mail addresses and my letter too.

Hugs, Vicki

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By Gina Jul 9th 2008 at 1:16 am EDT

Woooohoooo Vicki I posted my letter on my blog
Link

Also on my blog I have a link to the cnn tv page to paste your messages into all their little contact forms!

Fun fun fun.

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By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:34 am EDT

I agree Patiently 110%

The Bush/Cheney Years | Report to Admin

By joe ruwe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT

Just remember, if you thought this was the worst administration of all time, things can always get worse.

They still have a few months left.....

Link

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By ObamaRama in CO Jul 9th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT

joe - did you keep the streak alive today? i am donating right now in honor of "Tom" the Troll back on the other thread and am looking for a link to someone's page....

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT

my page please

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:27 am EDT

my streak will end tonight could you help.

Link

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By ObamaRama in CO Jul 9th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT

in honor of the few trolls this evening, this old white lady in colorado has ya covered for today, marcus. stay strong in support of barack obama!

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT

U R My Hero 2Nite.

My streak lives for another day.

THANK YOU THANK YOU

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By ObamaRama in CO Jul 9th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT

you are welcome! we are all coming together for barack, so it is great to add to someone's page who is so enthusiastic....besides, you are from my old stomping grounds out in so cal...

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By Kestrel Jul 9th 2008 at 1:48 am EDT

"We seek strategic cooperation on preventing missiles from rogue nations, like Iran, from threatening our friends and allies," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

I think under the Bush/Cheney administration, the U.S. qualifies as a rogue nation. This military-industrial-congressio nal complex is so OUTTA control. It's going to be our demise if we don't reign it in.

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By Viva Obama so proud to have voted for HOPE and to have rejected the hype Jul 9th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT

I agree. One man's hero can be another man's villan especially when irrational moves are made.

Another McCain "death" joke about Iran. | Report to Admin

By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT

McCain keeps expecting everyone to take him as a serious candidate, and yet he makes death jokes about a country with which we will soon have to have very delicate diplomatic relations with.

The from the Washington Post:

McCain's Latest Iran Joke
By Michael D. Shear

Sen. John McCain hasn't had good luck joking about Iran. But he tried it again Tuesday.

Responding to a question about a survey that shows increased exports to
Iran, mainly from cigarettes, McCain said, "Maybe that's a way of killing them."

He quickly caught himself, saying "I meant that as a joke" as his wife, Cindy, poked him in the back.

Last time, it was also Iran. His singing about bombing Iran to the theme of the Beach Boy' "Barbara Ann" drew derision from many quarters but a "lighten up" response from McCain.

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Everybody, please Digg this article so it will get out. Digg it here: Link

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By Doug Jul 9th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT

I'm glad you noticed this, too. I just missed the thread jump while commenting on this:

John McCain can't seem to stop joking about killing people. The man is truly frightening.

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT

Yes, so much hate and so little time... That McCain is a classy guy, ain't he?

Like I said before, if McCain is elected not only will we bomb Iran, but we'll reinvade North Vietnam so we can refight that war and come out of it victorious. Make no mistake. John McCain is still fighting the Vietnam War in his head.

If you want more war, vote for a warrior.

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT

My god, how could anyone vote for him? McCain is insane!

In MAY McCain said... | Report to Admin

By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT

that it would take YEARS before offshore drilling would help with gas prices. Now it's only July and he's saying offshore drilling will help in the short run...? Jon Stewart is the only person in the media I've heard mention this. Why no DNC commercial showing McCain's very serious credibility problems with his energy 'solutions'?

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT

And remember, it may take years for off shore drilling to bring us usable gasoline, but it will only take a moment to cause another Exxon Valdez. I lived in Alaska then. It was heartbreaking! There HAS to be a better way!

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By Obamaismyguy! Jul 9th 2008 at 2:19 am EDT

Barack's new ad out today talks about that it will take 7 years before we see a drop of oil from the drilling. Wish I had a link to it. Is it on the home page?

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By Joe Jul 9th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT

totally agree and btw we have not even begun to push all the weaknesses about women's issues that McCain is riddled with

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By Nashfan for Obama in Phoenix, who has had "ENOUGH!" Jul 9th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT

Unfortunately- not all women are looking past the gender when it comes to voting. We saw that happen with Hillary. Her gender was the sole reason they voted for her, not because of womens issues. I am afraid that McCain could steal a lot of dem votes by selecting a woman for his VP. I am even more afraid it could be Carly Fiorina- the woman who was fired from HP due to her horrible performance. She could drive our country into bankruptcy.

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By Amy Jul 9th 2008 at 12:07 pm EDT

Called his wife WHAT?

Yes WE Can! | Report to Admin

By Evan Jul 9th 2008 at 1:17 am EDT

WE ARE THE ONES WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

WE WILL KEEP REGISTERING VOTERS!

WE WILL KEEP DONATING!

WE WILL KEEP CANVASSING!

WE WILL KEEP MAKING THE PHONE CALLS!

WE WILL KEEP KNOCKING ON DOORS!

WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING THE SMEARS!

STATE BY STATE, CROWD BY CROWD, PERSON BY PERSON,

YES WE CAN!

YES WE CAN HEAL THIS NATION!

YES WE CAN REPAIR THIS WORLD!

YES WE CAN!

FIRED UP AND READY TO GO, FIRED UP AND READY TO VOTE!

YES WE CAN!

Link

need a question answered | Report to Admin

By Katepa....who supports President Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 1:18 am EDT

I am getting email that claims to give me money under the OBAMA logo...I know this is fake,,,does HQ know about this??

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT

The email is wanting to give YOU money ??????????

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By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT

you should report it. There was a man who had a fake Obama website the MSM reported on and it got shut down within days.

Obama needs the donations and we have to prevent the scam artist from making a quick buck.

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By ObamaRama in CO Jul 9th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT

do you have a fundraising page or have you made donations? sometimes when you make a donation, you can get a matching one. if you have a fundraising page then perhaps folks are making a donation to that?

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By Katepa....who supports President Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT

ok how do I report this...it is sort of like one of those fake nigerian letters asking for name etc

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT

Here is the HQ contact Link

Link

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By Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden* Jul 9th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT

send it to watchdog@barackobama.com

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By Katepa....who supports President Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT

Thanks I tried calling noone answered...I WILL call first thing in the am....fake email using Obama's logo make me very upset.............

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By Katepa....who supports President Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT

Thank You!!

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT

Please send the email with all headers and source info to HQ immediately.

Video: vet.debate Iraqi decision that US should leave Iraq | Report to Admin

By BAKASSI (Fanor for Obama) Jul 9th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT

On Hardball
Link

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT

Yes, I just want to know how I can go about marrying Jon Soltz of Vote Vets. That man is my hero, and he has been for a long time now.

When will they learn? When will they EVER learn?! | Report to Admin

By Dan (The anti-troll, a.k.a A thirty-year old who ocasionally looses his bearing so age is obviously not a factor...) Jul 9th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT

Hey all...
Just checking in. How is everyone tonight? Good, I hope... I was watching Rachel Maddow fill in for Kieth between innings of tonight's Cubs' Reds' game...and there was a story about an elderly librarian who was removed from the premises of a convention center that McCain was speaking at because she was holding a sign that said "Bush = McCain". Now, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that, if there are cameras there, if they leave her alone that woman and her sign will NOT become an issue that will make it on the six o'clock news...but if the authorities remove her from the premises, she will become an instant martyr and that creates yet another chance for McCain to be linked to Bush. Are they that dense and stupid in the McCain Camp? If I was John McCain...upon hearing about this...I would immediately volunteer to pay off that woman's citation.

It reminded me of when a small minority of members of the gay community protested outside the movie theaters that were showing "Basic Instinct" a number of years ago because they felt the movie betrayed lesbians in a sociopathic and violent light. When will people realize that, when they over-react like this, all they do is call attention to that which they least want attention called to? Am I such a genius that I can figure this out? I must be the Einstein of my time in that I can grasp that which so many people of our times fail to grasp...

:)

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By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 1:51 am EDT

THe ACLU should volunteer to help her fight the citiation.

McCain longs for the YEAR 1215 with no Habeus corpos and librarians weren't so fiesty!

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:13 am EDT

This is not the first time this has happened, and with older women too. McCain seems to get old women angry. As an old woman, I can understand that! LOL

It's official | Report to Admin

By FiredUpInCA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:26 am EDT

It's official, I am all FISAed out.

I've typed and copied and pasted until I am blue in the fingertips about how this single issue is not a deal-breaker for me.

I am a single-issue candidate in only instance: my single most important issue is the same issue that I had before Iowa: get Sen. Barack Obama elected as the 44th President of the United States of America.

So for anybody feeling the same way let's donate like we've never donated before tomorrow.

Donate everytime you see a post where the poster says they won't donate. Donate every time you see a poster that says he's lost their vote.

Let Sen. Obama and Michelle know that some of us, many of us, have been listening to him intently and know that has he hasn't moved to the center, or jettisoned his values or abandoned his base.

He is the same true and clear-headed, pragmatic progressive that he promised he would be and that from now, until November and until he's elected President and through both of his terms, we have got your back Barack.

I'm putting my money where my mouth is before, during and after tomorrow's FISA vote.

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By Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden* Jul 9th 2008 at 1:33 am EDT

thank you Charles.. perfectly said, and my sentiments exactly (though I have no $$ right now).. he has my trust, my respect and my sweat everyday~ and I too am that same single issue supporter- rock-solid I will do everything I'm capable of to get Barack Obama elected to become our next president.. and man am I sick of FISA FISA FISA :0

**ok well apparently I'm so sick of it.. that this is now going to post twice..! sorry Obamas~

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By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 1:45 am EDT

FISA is the ONLY issue! BTW, what does it stand for?

;-^)

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By FiredUpInCA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT

If it's the only issue and you are truly serious about it, then post on all of the phone companies blogs and cancel your phone contract.

That would show true courage of conviction.

FISA | Report to Admin

By Fibbio Nachi Jul 9th 2008 at 1:26 am EDT

Dude, you are blowing it! Retroactive anything for corporate interests is fishy.

Something's not right about support and reasons given for support of the FISA bill. It's not a compromise, it's total capitulation!

We have supported you as many individuals, this smells of special interests.

How about retroactive immunity for the masses, not just at the behest of the telecomm lobby?

Look, we supported you in the primary, many small donations. Don't sell out till at least your second term. Not this soon. This comment may be monitored or recorded for security purposes.

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:32 am EDT

We trust Obama , and we are going all the way to the White House and beyond.

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By Doris from MD Jul 9th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT

I trust him.

Re: FISA | Report to Admin

By Fibbio Nachi Jul 9th 2008 at 1:42 am EDT

A Blind Trust? Worth how much?

Re: FISA | Report to Admin

By Fibbio Nachi Jul 9th 2008 at 1:36 am EDT

Your attitude has been noted, Mr. Rivers.

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By Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden* Jul 9th 2008 at 1:40 am EDT

FYI- Senator not Dude.. the rest I won't even waste my fingertips on~

Re: FISA | Report to Admin

By Sheri~Freedom of Speech&Religion~Who's Sane *Obama~Biden* Jul 9th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT

FYI- Senator not Dude.. the rest I won't even waste my fingertips on~

FISA: I'd rather rant than be rational | Report to Admin

By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 1:41 am EDT

So what?

A few telecoms are not forced into bankruptcy or protracted civil trials.

There is no guarantee things would work out the way progressives imagine. In fact, the courts would LIKELY rule in favor of the government, and then exonerate the telecoms. This is legislatively compromise. With a greater than 51-49 majority, perhaps we would get it more our way. BTW, the 51 majority includes Joe Lieberman.

Get real, what do think our negotiation position really is?

Re: FISA: I'd rather fight than switch | Report to Admin

By Fibbio Nachi Jul 9th 2008 at 1:51 am EDT

Calling a sell out a compromise does not make it such.

A compromise would have been to let it rest till after the election.

We are a bit touchy here. I'm voting for him period, and doing everything I can to get his in the Whitehouse. But there is a fine line between support and worship!

Re: FISA: I'd rather rant than be reasonable | Report to Admin

By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 2:03 am EDT

Why the name-calling?

Senators have to make compromises all the time. Do you want the truth or lawsuits? We will get neither with McCain.

Sen. Obama is ONE senator. Why not have some of the others senators press the issue? Did you know the Dem majority is only one senator? How are we going to pass any legislation that is not a compromise is this environment?

Whose head do you want? Verizon? AT&T? Bush? If it’s Bush, then the best thing to do is get a Democrat in the WH along with a senate majority of 60.

Vote, Donate, Call in 2008 for Sen. Obama.

Re: FISA: I'd rather fight than switch | Report to Admin

By Stan Z- Christian-President Obama Knows His Stuff Jul 9th 2008 at 2:09 am EDT

That worship line sounds like something his opponents threw at him. We're critical of him, but we're not putting all our hopes on one issue. FISA is not in my top three issues. The Constitution has always been under assault. It will be gone if we keep electing corporate Republicans to office.

Re: FISA: I'd rather rant than be rational | Report to Admin

By Randall from Atlanta, GA Jul 9th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT

The Verdict discussion of the FISA bill was passionate and reasoned and cleared up much confusion for me. Barack's position has changed far less than many think...and that's not to say we shouldn't continue to watch this issue carefully. Clearly, there is much more to come.

Please share the link below and enjoy.

Link

Yes We Can.

Passion has reasons that reason does not understand | Report to Admin

By Fibbio Nachi Jul 9th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT

For those of us who can't and won't stomach mainstrean TV, why don't you post what you gleaned from this show segment?

Re: Passion has reasons that reason does not understand | Report to Admin

By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 3:49 am EDT

This has been posted earlier by Lindy:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

Re: FISA | Report to Admin

By V-Day Jul 9th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT

Got it. Do you believe in a time table to pull out of Iraq? I do.

McCain flip flops on his position on withdrawing from Iraq. | Report to Admin

By BAKASSI (Fanor for Obama) Jul 9th 2008 at 1:30 am EDT

Flip flopper-in-chief
Link

Who's leading in national polls? | Report to Admin

By The EQualizer Jul 9th 2008 at 1:35 am EDT

Link

Re: Veep talk.... | Report to Admin

By Michael Guinn Jul 9th 2008 at 5:53 am EDT

I'm right there with ya!

Re: Veep talk.... | Report to Admin

By Debbie for Obama/Biden Thank You Jesus! Jul 9th 2008 at 9:40 am EDT

This is totally outrageous and the more reason he should not put her on the ticket in which I don't think he will.

Re: Veep talk.... | Report to Admin

By Recovering Whine-O Jul 9th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT

Third!!

Quotes by Thomas Jefferson, and link to a speech by JFK...and some radom thoughts... | Report to Admin

By EMK Jul 9th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT

Some thoughts.

Change of pace here...

Found these on BrainyQuotes.

Some Thomas Jefferson Quotes:

"One man with courage is a majority."

"It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good."

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

And one speech from JFK (date: 6/10/1963): the commencement speech to the American University; Link . (I found this @ American Rhetoric.)

Hmm... I wonder what JFK would say about our current situation?

Off topic, how's Teddy Kennedy?

Also, I've noticed Obama with more gray hairs than the video of him on March/April.

So tomorrow's the "big vote?"

Hmm...

We'll see...

Again, just some personal thoughts and some quotes/speeches.

EMK

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT

Teddy Kennedy............That's a good question , has anyone heard anything about how he is doing ????????

TEDDY KENNEDY ... | Report to Admin

By Dianne Jul 9th 2008 at 5:49 am EDT

What about TEDDY KENNEDY?

I posted an article from the Boston Globe jus the other day. He has his staff & a working Committe meeting & working on Health Care Iniatives, so that he's READY to GO!

Have since read another press release stating that he is tolerating the chemotherapy very well and that his only side effect seems to be tiredness. Which is great considering all the side effects you can have with oncology therapeutics/chemo.

Keep TEDDY KENNEDY in your prayers!

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By Libertine Jul 9th 2008 at 2:08 am EDT

Lynn Forester, Hillary Clinton's #1 fundraiser, tells CNN AC360 that she does not like Obama & says he is an elite man. She refuses to raise $100K + per person for Obama like she did with Clinton.

Let's all tell Lynn Forester to keep her angry Hill-raiser $ and stick it where the sun don't shine!

We don't want her $ or her vote.

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By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:12 am EDT

If that is true, Lynn Forester must understand that she will not have influence in an Obama administration or will not profit privately. Anyone who raises that kind of money always expects something in return.

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By Evan, Who Just Moved to the Liberal Elitist City of San Francisco and is Loving It Jul 9th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT

Libertine, I REALLY think that's wrong approach. We need to be reaching out to Hillary supporters, not making them feel unwelcome. The idea that EVERY VOTE COUNTS has been a basic premise of this campaign since day one, and this is no time to get turn back on that. And do you really think Obama can't use that $100k? The campaign's May fundraising total was the lowest it's been in awhile.

Try understanding where she's coming from. Give her some time.

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By ♥ dreamweaver "Grab A Mop" ♥ aka Vicki from Iowa Jul 9th 2008 at 10:02 am EDT

I know we are supposed to be all sweetness and honey about this situation but we wouldn't be in this boat if their "LEADER" wouldn't have filled them all with BS about Barack!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ♥ dreamweaver "Grab A Mop" ♥ aka Vicki from Iowa Jul 9th 2008 at 10:03 am EDT

Sorry but I know we are supposed to be all sweetness and honey about this situation but we wouldn't be in this boat if their "LEADER" wouldn't have filled them all with BS about Barack!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Bee Jul 9th 2008 at 10:55 am EDT

What Lynn Forester said shows pure stupid ignorance, hate or outright racism.
How can you say on National TV, first, things that are not true (Obama being elitist) and second, that you do not like a human being and can not trust someone without justifiable reasons. It is beyond me. While we welcome all Hillary’s supporters we do not need irrational people like Lynn.

Lynn Forester please stay at home with your money and ignorance. Or better still go vote for McCain and have another miserable 4years of dictatorship, more wars, and your (women’s) rights taken away from you, economic depression, and a country that has no standing in the world. It is this mindset that gave us Bush for these agonizing 8years. And if this is a plot for Hillary 2012, forget it, it WILL NOT happen.

Re: Lynn Forester | Report to Admin

By Bee Jul 9th 2008 at 10:55 am EDT

What Lynn Forester said shows pure stupid ignorance, hate or outright racism.
How can you say on National TV, first, things that are not true (Obama being elitist) and second, that you do not like a human being and can not trust someone without justifiable reasons. It is beyond me. While we welcome all Hillary’s supporters we do not need irrational people like Lynn.

Lynn Forester please stay at home with your money and ignorance. Or better still go vote for McCain and have another miserable 4years of dictatorship, more wars, and your (women’s) rights taken away from you, economic depression, and a country that has no standing in the world. It is this mindset that gave us Bush for these agonizing 8years. And if this is a plot for Hillary 2012, forget it, it WILL NOT happen.

It doesn't matter | Report to Admin

By Angela Jul 9th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT

Who we get this election. The America we know is already gone. We have for sometime been living on the brink of fascism, we have now shifted. We have no REAL election process, paper ballots have been replaced by die-bold machines. Politicians make lot's of promises which we will never see folks. Seems like to me they are on the same team. The globalist one. This is what we have in store for our future. We are around 40 trillion dollars in debt. The interest alone will bankrupt us. We have wide open borders during a war on terror, no manufacturing base, and a monetary policy doomed to fail and at the helm a private banking cartel. Now we have a government hell bent on supressing us BEFORE we rise up. With bills like HR1955 and S1959, FISA ect and throw in the Patriot Act ( great inside joke that "Patriot Act" Acting like your a patriot and all...No more Possee Comotatus, Habeous Corpus, you throw in the Military Commissions Act, and there is nothing left, except the 2nd. How will that play out? FISA was the last straw for me on EVER trusting a corrupt politician. They are all CFR anyway. Google CFR and read what Richard N. Haass has to say about America's future. It's not too rosey. Obama is CFR and so is McCain. It's no suprise Obama wants the FISA bill. What the hell are you voting for America? WAKE UP.

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By ISACK ENABLE Jul 9th 2008 at 2:00 am EDT

Ron paul idiot! What is wrong with you boy?

WE"RE WINNING THIS ELECTION, DECK by DECK, STEP BY STEP.

TAKE YOUR BEST SHOT!

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By 4earth, WA ☂ Jul 9th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT

Oh man. It's getting deep in here. Time for me to put on my bunny slippers and head for the barn. You can stay up all night and fight over FISA. It doesn't mean a thing. All you are doing is feeding the beast, the big red elephant. Sleep on that!

Good night to all my Obama Family. Tomorrow is another day!

This site is always infected by late nights | Report to Admin

By ISACK ENABLE Jul 9th 2008 at 1:58 am EDT

FISA BS!!!!!!

all of you SHUT UP, already! MCCain Trolls got you yapping.....

once more, all your nonsense express how naive you all are. ONE GOAL:

ELECT BARACK!

Re: This site is always infected by late nights | Report to Admin

By Angie, Mother of 6 who is so proud to be part of the Obama Family Jul 9th 2008 at 2:02 am EDT

Yes, we really need to elect Obama President! Only then can we count on the change we have been waiting for.

Re: This site is always infected by late nights | Report to Admin

By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 2:15 am EDT

No

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By Suzie McKay Jul 9th 2008 at 2:17 am EDT

Damn right! I'm sick of it, too.

DONATE DONATE DONATE

Re: This site is always infected by late nights | Report to Admin

By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 2:22 am EDT

We still have a right to dissent even if you are sick of it.

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By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:18 am EDT

Isack you are so right......

The RACIST AMERICAN PRESS and the mcain trolls are in a panic..................

In November,,,,Barack Obama is going to slide the scum out of Washington, and replace it with positive actions........

Republicans and CNN keep weeping, nobody gives a crap!!

Re: This site is always infected by late nights | Report to Admin

By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT

I disagree. I find him to be loud and abrasive. I believe that this attitude is in direct oopsition to Obama's own attitude. Telling people to shut up is childish and antithetical to the nature of this campaign.

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By FiredUpInCA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:08 am EDT

Sans you are right.

Even if the retroactive immunity were removed, most people would not be able to win a lawsuit against the telecoms anyway. Why? Because it's too hard to prove they broke the law:

"The US Courts have effectively shielded telecoms from being sued. Several people have filed various claims against telecoms claiming they violated their constitutional right to privacy by allowing the executive branch to wiretap their phones without a warrant.

In dismissing all the cases, the courts cited the plaintiffs inability to:

1. proof that the telecoms actually tapped their phones/violated their rights

2. show proof that they suffered any damages resulting in the wire tap.

The newly revised bill does not shield telecoms from criminal prosecution. It does restore the requirement for warrants for wiretaps through the judicial process. There is no provision that says that at any time, criminal charges cannot be brought against those who violated our rights. There is no provision that says that the files could not be turned over the proper authorities for investigation. This is an acceptable solution to me.

Link

I'm not all that smart | Report to Admin

By Angie, Mother of 6 who is so proud to be part of the Obama Family Jul 9th 2008 at 2:01 am EDT

about my computer and this website so I have been trying to make new friends and it is taking me forever to find them one by one. So I am asking a big favor. Can everyone who sees this invite me to be their friend? This way I will wake up in the morning and have a whole bunch of new friends. Help me out Obama Family!

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By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:19 am EDT

Done

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By Angie, Mother of 6 who is so proud to be part of the Obama Family Jul 9th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT

Three new friend already. Thanks so much. Keep it coming.

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By Marie Hussein from New Mexico Jul 9th 2008 at 2:48 am EDT

done!

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 2:56 am EDT

"Fist Bump"

Re: I'm not all that smart | Report to Admin

By Suzie McKay Jul 9th 2008 at 7:46 am EDT

Another bump!

In your opinion,who should be OBAMA'S running mate? | Report to Admin

By The EQualizer Jul 9th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT

Link

Good Night | Report to Admin

By Marcus C Jul 9th 2008 at 2:08 am EDT

Good night all.

See you in the morning.

Re: Good Night | Report to Admin

By S v K Jul 9th 2008 at 2:11 am EDT

ciao!

SvK

Re: Good Night | Report to Admin

By VA . Greatgran 'Grab A Mop' for President Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT

Good night.Link

BOYCOTT THE "RACIST NEWS NETWORK" | Report to Admin

By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT

Hello all,

What do you say we flood the racist news networks who support the old bag of lies, John Mclie with a true boycott?

Seriously, fax them, email them, let it be unrelenting, never ending, until they stop stabbing Barack in the back, reporting lies about him, calling him a flip flopper, etc.

We may have to watch British television such as

BBC

SKY NEWS

REUTERS

But hey, there we get the equal side of the coin, not the racist, biased hate filled American press.

Having been a Republican for 30 years, I have seen them hate the GOP, Bush and Cheney.

As a white man voting for Barack, I can see no other reason this bastardized American press would attack Barack Obama, except for the fact he is not white, and he does not flip backwards for the press, as Mcain does....They are true RACISTS!!

Pathetic, BOYCOTT

CNN
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CBS
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NBC
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ABC
................
MSNBC and
............................
FOX NEWS

Re: BOYCOTT THE "RACIST NEWS NETWORK" | Report to Admin

By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT

Even Sky News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. With all of the corporate interests in the media today, it is impossible to get objective coverage.

Re: BOYCOTT THE "RACIST NEWS NETWORK" | Report to Admin

By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT

Jeff,

Murdoch himself said weeks ago,,,,"Democrats will win by landslide numbers in November"

The rich panic when they see Barack.....

If Hillary had won, the press would have crucified john mcliar.....

Barack is black, and they crucify him instead. How damn sad!!

Re: BOYCOTT THE "RACIST NEWS NETWORK" | Report to Admin

By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:27 am EDT

I know that Murdoch said that - and that has changed Faux News reporting on Obama how?

Re: BOYCOTT THE "RACIST NEWS NETWORK" | Report to Admin

By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:37 am EDT

It hasnt....

But he still wins in November, America if FED UP with the lies and other crap...

Barack will win...

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By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT

One other thing I forgot,

Republicans are despised and hated everywhere in the world, especially our ally nations who suffered crippling election defeats after supporting the Republican agenda...

Re: BOYCOTT THE "RACIST NEWS NETWORK" | Report to Admin

By Dianne Jul 9th 2008 at 6:01 am EDT

I disagree with your statement if Hillary Rodham Clinton had won they'd (referring to the media) would 'crucify John McLiar'(sic).

Not so! The MSM wanted Hillary to WIN so bad they could 'taste it'. The MSM would have come out in 'full force' PRO "GRAND OLD PARTY".

The MSM had their "CLINTON PLAY BOOK" all ready!

The MSM plans were FOILED. And, now all they have left is the "RACIST PLAYBOOK".

Let's face it, the OBAMAS are an ALL-AMERICAN wholesome family! REFRESHING!

The MSM are throwing everything at him in HOPES that something will stick.

We've got your backs, OBAMAS!

NOT THIS TIME!

Iraq TIMETABLE | Report to Admin

By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT

Every business has metrics. Bush, the GOP, and McCain and Bush are against them because then they would be accountable for the messes they have created.

McCain has nothing but circular logic. We’re doing well in Iraq, we have to stay. Iraq is so dangerous, we have to stay.

McCain and Bush are for open-ended, treasury draining wars. Obama wants a careful withdrawal from Iraq. Why'd we go there anyway? Oh yah, WMDs. Have we found those yet?

FISA | Report to Admin

By Michael Greene Jul 9th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT

I've had my say on this, but I understand the fix is in on the FISA capitulation. It will be a sad day for America indeed when a majority of both houses of Congress agree to overturn the 4th Amendment.

I just hope Barack and everyone here truly understands the potential serious consequences of tomorrows vote.

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By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:21 am EDT

I believe that Obama will go after the Telecom companies criminally, as the current bill offers no protection from such action.

I am not happy either, but I believe that if there is a chance to right this, Obama is far more likely than McCain.

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By Michael Greene Jul 9th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT

Perhaps you're right, but there are literally tens of thousands of heretofore totally committed and energized supporters who will view this episode extremely negatively. But as I said, I'm through arguing as its a done deal now.

Good night and good luck.

Re: FISA | Report to Admin

By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 4:02 am EDT

This has been posted earlier by Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

Re: FISA | Report to Admin

By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 4:02 am EDT

This has been posted earlier by Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 2:24 am EDT

That Bill is pretty low on my priority list. If i am not doing anything illegal , why should i care who is listening ?

And i surely don't want our next President spending his entire first term going after Bush and his cronies and the telecoms.

If the tools in FISA help our Government keep my family safe and has safe guards going forward , hey i am all for it.

I am much more concerned about ending the War , health care , getting off foreign oil , and the economy.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 2:47 am EDT

For the cases where the government abuses their authority just because you don't care about these rights doesn't mean we should throw them away. The rights are precisly to protect the innocent. Your attitude about not caring about something so central to the nature of our democracy because you don't feel you have to worry is very scary to me. It is complacency in the face of attrocious acts by governments that have led to the greatest evils in our history. The rights that are set up in the constitution were set up precisely to guard against governments engaging in acts that undermined the feedoma of the innocent. If you throw away these rights you throw away the democracy itself..

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:04 am EDT

I just believe we live in a different world today , and if i have to give up some freedoms to keep Americans safe , on American soil , i am willing to do that. I am not totally for or against FISA. I don't have access to the information our elected leaders have , so a certain level of trust comes into play.If we are not safe at home , nothing else matters much.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 4:37 am EDT

Our elected leaders are likely to be the least trustworthy people around. They have given me no reason to trust them and many reasons not to. Since Obama is a centrist I expect him to act pretty much like the others. Maybe he will be somewhat better and certainly a lot better than bush but that bar is prett low. So while I rull vote for obama the last thing I say I will do is to trust him.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 2:59 am EDT

I could also take the same attitude about your list of priorties even though I don't. I could say I don't really care about the war or I don't care about health care because I am covered already. And the truth is that I actually favor high has prices. The higher the price the cleaner my air and the less traffic when I ride my bike. In fact I would very seriously trade an increase in gas prices of say 3 or 4 dollars more per gallon if I could get my fourth amendment rights back.
But I don't go around dismissing your concerns so readily because I recognize that others find these things to be important. It would at least be nice if you did understand why people are concerned even if they are not doing anything illegal.

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By Obama's Knights Jul 9th 2008 at 2:29 am EDT

What would the likely end-result of a civil trial be? There was no damage, so there is no civil penaly. Next.

That's why the compromise, because the case againt the telecoms is weak (expecially without government cooperation), and it would drag on and on.

If you're really bothered by the new FISA law, lobby for stronger laws.

FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 2:44 am EDT

I stayed off the blog for what seems like weeks, but is probably more like days...due to all the arguing and fighting on the blog over FISA. I can't stand it when a topic is beaten to death...over and over and over. I just couldn't take reading all the endless discussions about one topic, FISA. Enough already.

I prefer to look at the glass as half full...I'm happy that the Bush administration will no longer be able to proceed with warrantless wiretaps. Funny how nobody seems to be mentioning that part.

Let's just get Barack in the White House and a strong Democrat majority in Congress and then we can make the proper changes without the Republicans fear mongering.

Bush/Cheney have covert operations supporting terrorists in Iran | Report to Admin

By Kestrel Jul 9th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT

Journalist Seymour Hersh is trying to keep tabs on the secrets activities of Bush/Cheney.

Here's an excerpt:
..."the Bush Administration's policy of “my enemy's enemy is my friend” has led the US to support the Baluchi organisation Jondollah and the MEK (Mujahideen-e-Khalq a.k.a PMOI), both of which have clear track records of terrorist activities including against the US. He reiterates that the US has been giving arms and cash to the terrorists in the MEK for years and reveals that “most of the [MEK] leaders have been taking our money and cashing it in an awful lot of bank accounts in London.” He also reveals for the first time that the US has trained MEK teams in the state of Nevada and that “they do a lot of crazy stuff inside Iran”.

Hersh explains that the aim of the US covert operations inside Iran is to create a pretext for attack with the goal of regime change. “The strategic thinking behind this covert operation is to provoke enough trouble and chaos so that the Iranian government makes the mistake of taking aggressive action which will give the impression of a country in acute turmoil”, he said. “Then you have what the White House calls the ‘casus belli', a reason to attack the country.

Link

sigh....this administration is addicted to war and the profits that benefit Bush/Cheney & co.

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By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT

Dont forget Bushes friends who elp him with the lies.....

CNN

CBS

ABC

NBC and

FOX

Lynn Forester | Report to Admin

By Libertine Jul 9th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT

Lynn Forester, Hillary Clinton's #1 fundraiser, tells CNN AC360 that she does not like Obama & says he is an elite man. She now refuses to help raise $100K + per person (she bundles $) for Obama like she did with Clinton before she lost.

OK, fine, but why go on CNN & say he is elite?

Let's all tell Lynn Forester to keep her angry Hill-Raiser $ and stick it where the sun don't shine!

We don't want her $ or her vote.

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By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:28 am EDT

Can you give me a link to that please...

Re: Lynn Forester | Report to Admin

By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:30 am EDT

Libertine soon they will rename

Clinton News Network with,,,,

Republican News Network RNN

Re: Lynn Forester | Report to Admin

By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 2:51 am EDT

That's truly disgusting. Are you going to tell me that Hillary has no control over this woman going on CNN and bad mouthing Barack? This Lynn Forester is the worst kind of human being on the planet...spiteful, hateful and good for nothing. Is she a Democrat or what?

Well, since Barack has manners...maybe that's why she thinks he's elite. Lynn Forester has no manners...didn't her mother teach her...that if you don't have anything good to say then you shouldn't say anything?

Re: Bush/Cheney have covert operations supporting terrorists in Iran | Report to Admin

By Kestrel Jul 9th 2008 at 3:00 am EDT

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

Link

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 5:14 am EDT

If this is true and even if it isn't, who cares what the media thinks? If Senator Obama remains true to the Democratic ideals and values then he doesn't need the media. This can also be another reason to vote NO on the FISA bill.

On a side note- Forget the big fat cats problem of Clinton not donating to Obama campaign (as of June’s report 115 donated the max. amount to Obama and 115 donated the max. amount to McCain), focus on how the die hard faithful, like you are for /senator Obama, must feel. If MI. and FL> had not violated DNC rules and moved their primary up then Clinton may now be the Party nominee. Close your eyes for a moment and think of how you would feel and maybe then understand why they feel the way they do. Senator Obama must show the Clinton base and not the fat cats that he does truly care about what Clinton supporters believe in and not just with words but courageous stands on issues important to them. If the roles were reversed, you would feel the same way and Senator Clinton would have to prove to you her commitment to your beliefs and ideals

REMINDER: MONEY BOMB FRIDAY | Report to Admin

By Donna No Shock Barack No Drama Obama of MD Jul 9th 2008 at 2:21 am EDT

PLEASE PASS THIS ON

If you have a fundraiser and need help getting that thermometer on the rise then join us on Friday from 8-9PM EST. Joe Ruwe is bringing the beer and we are getting Desert Dove Dan to provide the music. Some will come and bring jokes (clean ones of course) and we will party like its 1-20-2009.

All you have to do is post your fundraiser and bring something with your fundraiser. It can be a poem or a great article or a lemerick or video or recipe. Just donate something to the blog and we will donate $5.00 to your fundraiser.

Now can I get everyone to send out an O-mail to all of your "Obama Friends" and ask them to join us for the party on friday and lets raise some money for our campaign and help each other to increase our fundraiser dollars.

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 4:12 am EDT

Count me in!
I'll bring some veggies with a tahini dip along with my FR.

It's gonna be fun...YiiiiiHaaaaaaaa!

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 5:21 am EDT

Hey Donna,

I sent an O.mail to all my 211 O.friends.

Friday is always Fun Day on the O'blog.

Yes We Can & Yes We Will Prevail!

Have not donated since June | Report to Admin

By del Jul 9th 2008 at 2:22 am EDT

Sorry to see how Obama is becoming no diferent than Bush or McCain.

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By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:25 am EDT

Thats funny.....

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By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:34 am EDT

Merican, dont forget Barack has to get elected, but when you look at the other option, Mcwar, and World War 3 with Iran, and our children fighting wars for Republican gain, I think NOT....

Obama will be fine, lets get him in the White House first.....

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By del Jul 9th 2008 at 2:45 am EDT

The scary word of the month is "Change"!
Who knows if Obama will change himself and go for war with Iran once he gets elected -- his speech at AIPAC was no different any neoconservatives'.

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 4:13 am EDT

This has been posted earlier by Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

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By Trish - Working To Elect That One Jul 9th 2008 at 3:08 am EDT

Well said!

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:10 am EDT

When did "Change we can believe in" become "Not as bad as a 3rd term of Bush"?

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 2:34 am EDT

LOL! That must be a joke.

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By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:52 am EDT

That is based on what?

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 6:32 am EDT

Either you get it or you don't. No explanation necessary.

REMINDER: MONEY BOMB FRIDAY | Report to Admin

By Donna No Shock Barack No Drama Obama of MD Jul 9th 2008 at 2:23 am EDT

PLEASE PASS THIS ON

If you have a fundraiser and need help getting that thermometer on the rise then join us on Friday from 8-9PM EST. Joe Ruwe is bringing the beer and we are getting Desert Dove Dan to provide the music. Some will come and bring jokes (clean ones of course) and we will party like its 1-20-2009.

All you have to do is post your fundraiser and bring something with your fundraiser. It can be a poem or a great article or a lemerick or video or recipe. Just donate something to the blog and we will donate $5.00 to your fundraiser.

Now can I get everyone to send out an O-mail to all of your "Obama Friends" and ask them to join us for the party on friday and lets raise some money for our campaign and help each other to increase our fundraiser dollars.

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By iheartzushi Jul 9th 2008 at 2:30 am EDT

I can't believe that this guy is being seriously considered for VP.

Don't do it Barack.

Trust him as far as you can throw him.

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By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:51 am EDT

I have not looked closely at him - what are your concerns.

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By 08AMA! Jul 9th 2008 at 4:58 pm EDT

I think Bayh could be a good choice, throws a wrench in the GOP math.

Bash Barack...McCain for President | Report to Admin

By Stan Z- Christian-President Obama Knows His Stuff Jul 9th 2008 at 2:36 am EDT

Every other Ammendment will be at risk with McCain as president, including the 2nd ammendment, if corporate America says so.

We know the 1st Ammendment doesn't mean much to McCain. He doesn't allow any critical discussion on his website. Senator Clinton didn't allow critical discussion on her site either. You have to come to Barack's site if you want freedom of speech.

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By Republian Defector Jul 9th 2008 at 2:42 am EDT

Stan,

Obama can put the brakes on corporate America....He knows how to do it......

The economy is beating the crap out of corporate America, for the first time in a long time, you see the rich starting to suffer too. They arent immune to Bushes failed policies...

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By Kestrel Jul 9th 2008 at 2:56 am EDT

i'm no economy expert, but that's what i was thinking today too. the oil companies and defense contractors are reaping in huge profits, but corporations in other sectors must be hating it.

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By Snucky Jul 9th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT

i am chiming in later than usual. i had to shower and catch up on my recorded news after work on my dvr. how is everyone doing? YES WE CAN!

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By A Dork Who Prefers to Act Instead of React Jul 9th 2008 at 2:42 am EDT

Doing well but about to pack it up for the night. :)

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By Jeffrey from Highland, CA who is going to meet President Obama at the Inauguration in January Jul 9th 2008 at 2:42 am EDT

Hey Snucky - just about to crash this evening myself.

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By Snucky Jul 9th 2008 at 2:49 am EDT

good nite guys. i will be on a little longer. i am catching up on my online news and blogs.

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By Marie Hussein from New Mexico Jul 9th 2008 at 3:00 am EDT

Hi, snucky! Didn't want you to think you are alone.

FISA cave-in | Report to Admin

By Paul in Fremont, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 2:48 am EDT

Tomorrow, the 4th amendment to the Constitution of the United States will likely be eviscerated. It will be a dark and infamous day in our nation's history if WE THE PEOPLE allow it to happen. Watch this short video and weep for our country....

Link

We must demand Obama show the the courage to stop this. He has insulted our intelligence by calling it a "compromise," which it surely is not. It is a cave-in. The "president" says he will veto any bill that does not have immunity. Let him. Do not cower before injustice!

****NO DONATIONS WITHOUT A NO ON FISA!!!!****

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 2:54 am EDT

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 4:18 am EDT

This has been posted earlier by Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 2:58 am EDT

Tomorrow gas could be $5 in CA.

Tomorrow will be hotter and the fires are spreading in CA.

Tomorrow when he bill passes the Bush administration will NO longer be able to proceed with warrantless wiretaps.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 3:15 am EDT

I would be willing to have has at $8 per gallon if we could keep the fourth amendment intact. The increase in has prices would decrease driving and result in people buying vehicles which are twice as efficient. As a result we would put less carbon in the atmosphere and it would help abate climate change which would help diminish the number of fires.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 3:18 am EDT

Gas not has

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:35 am EDT

I'm happy that when this bill passes that our rights going forward will be protected and the Bush administration will NO longer be able to proceed with warrantless wiretaps. period

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:24 am EDT

Bottom line: Bush broke the old law, and this bill would give those that helped him retroactive immunity. What's going to stop him from breaking the new law for the remaining 6 1/2 months?

Yes, I'm well aware of the smoke and heat.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:37 am EDT

FISA is the last things on the minds of people whose homes are threatened by the CA fires.

Everybody has their own priorities, and mine is on the overall BIG picture. I will not be a one-topic supporter, who will implode due to "part" of a bill.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 3:47 am EDT

I live in san Francisco and I am one of the 82% of the people in the city who can't afford to buy a home. So now I won't have a home or the same protection from the constitution I would have if my representatives wouldn't keep thrpwing it away. And why is it that you somehow see this as a choice between your home and this bill? It doesn't make sense that it is on or the other.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:57 am EDT

The point is that this is NOT everyone's priority right now. There are so many issues at stake and my focus is broad. I'm focused on the BIG picture, not just "part" of a bill.

Let's see...there is the economy, home foreclosures, people being laid off their jobs, healthcare, ending the Iraq War, global warming, etc.

Who will best take the country in the right direction? Not McCain!

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 3:25 am EDT

You must be kidding. After all of this discussion you don't realize that the bill still allows for warrantless wiretaps. This is rally sad that people are arguing about this when they don't even know what it allows for. The fact is that it actually extends the period for warrantless wiretaps from 3 to 7 days.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:38 am EDT

It does not allow warrantless wiretaps.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 3:54 am EDT

But it does. I can't give you the links because I am on my blackberry but you can go to the ACLU site and it will exlosin how wiretaps are allowed for up to 7 days without a warrant. They are then required to get one and if denied they can continue the wiretap while the appeal process continues. This is wiretapping without a warrant and is therfore a warrantless wiretap.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 4:04 am EDT

I'm going to check. I'll be back.

letter from Dianne Feinstein | Report to Admin

By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 4:36 am EDT

Below are portions of a letter I received:

Dear -----:

I write this in response to your communication indicating your concerns on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) now before the Senate.

It is important to understand the consequences if the Senate does not pass this bill. We would either have to extend the temporary surveillance bill passed last August - which should not happen - or allow surveillance on certain foreign targets to expire which would lay the Nation bare and decrease our ability to identify and protect against terrorist threats. Neither of these options is acceptable.

This bill:

oIncludes provisions I authored that make clear that FISA is the exclusive (or only) authority for conducting surveillance inside the United States. This is crucial as it requires that all future Presidents must act only within the law. FISA would be the only legal authority for conducting surveillance on Americans for intelligence purposes, and only legislation that specifically provides wiretapping authority in the future would be an exception to FISA.

oRequires the government to obtain a warrant before surveillance can begin. This applies to all Americans - anywhere in the world. The Protect America Act allowed surveillance for up to six months before getting a warrant. This bill ends all warrantless surveillance of U.S. persons. In this sense it is precedent setting.

There may be amendments offered to the FISA legislation to strip or modify the telecom immunity provisions. Know that I will support any that I believe improve the current bill.

Bottom line: this FISA legislation, while not perfect, would bring intelligence activities back under U.S. law. It provides significant improvement in oversight and accountability of our intelligence collection programs while still giving the intelligence community the tools needed to keep our Nation safe. And, it provides the strongest privacy protections to U.S. persons in history.

In conclusion, I have served on the Intelligence Committee for seven years and I take the responsibility extremely seriously. If there is no bill, our Nation goes bare in mid-August, unless the Protect America Act, which does not offer, even remotely, the privacy protections for U.S. persons that are included in this bill, is extended. Additionally, the President - any President - cannot enact a program outside of this law in the future.

I hope this helps you understand my concerns.

Statement of Senator Dianne Feinstein

FISA Amendments Act of 2008

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 5:42 am EDT

One thing. Keep in mind that the Democrats control both houses and could have killed this bill in committee. If I am not mistaken, Senator Feinstein is being challenged by an anti-war candidate.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 5:48 am EDT

The Democrats are damned if they do vote for FISA and they're damned if they vote against FISA. This is a no win situation. The country cannot be left unprotected any longer. Some protection is better than none. This bill will have to get fixed later when the Democrats have a real strong majority...they are almost even right now.

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:07 am EDT

Talk to someone who cares.

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By Michael Greene Jul 9th 2008 at 3:07 am EDT

While I greatly appreciate your efforts, sadly this thing is in the books now. The Constitution is apparently an anachronism in the age of warren tar. I just didnt think that a Democratic Congress with a strong Democratic nominee facing a totally discredited opposition party and an incumbent at 26% approval would fold like a $3 pup tent on the Constitution. That change thing had me for a few months.

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By Coracii - Counting The Days Until January 20th, 2009 Jul 9th 2008 at 3:11 am EDT

Sorry to tell you, but my donations will continue every Thursday just as they have for the past 8 months.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:18 am EDT

The true die hard Obama supporters, like myself, will be contributing more in the future to make up for all the "one-topic supporters" who won't be donating anymore.

Can you imagine...all this over "part" of a bill. I'm all for the Constitution, but sometimes there has to be compromise to get things somewhat accomplished. Or else nothing will ever get done in Washington.

I'm thrilled that when this bill passes that the Bush administration will NO longer be able to proceed with warrantless wiretaps.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 3:38 am EDT

I am not a one topic supporter. There are many controversial topics. This one just happens to be currently in the senate. But you are probably right that many of you will have to pick up the slack. Since I have already contributed 3 times my original pledge I had hit my limit. I won't be giving any more or less so I am not one of those threatening to stop because of this bill but I also won't be helping out to make up for it. You might also contact all of the new support this bill has attracted. Funny though, but I haven't seen one person on this blog who was attracted to Obama because of his support for the bill. Yet everyone seems to think this is the politically wise move.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:42 am EDT

I'm focused on who will be best to move this country in the right direction. That certainly isn't McCain!

I'm focused on the BIG picture.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 3:59 am EDT

On that we agree. I however believe that Obama will have a better chance of winning by going against this bill. And believe me McCain would be much worse.

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By day break Jul 9th 2008 at 4:45 am EDT

I will be donating every pay day from here on out. Because a difference in opionions don't turn me off. Why can't we agree to disagree on this position and move on. There are good arguments from both sides. I happen to trust Obama's judgment and not the FISA cave-in comments. Obama stand your ground you have my full support.

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By LiberTLover Jul 9th 2008 at 3:25 am EDT

Obama shows courage every day from the day he announced he was running and there were so many death threats that they had to assign him his Secret Service detail immediately. Do you think those threats have just gone away? He risks his life every single day to help the millions of citizens that are fighting to survive right now. Some literally to survive becasue of lack of healthcare, food or shelter.

If Barack can stand out there every day, knowing that there isn't a hell of a lot that the Secret Service can do about someone with a high powered rifle two buildings away, I can stand up for him and trust him that he is making the decisions that need to be made so that he and the Dems can win and start helping those he started this fight to help.

Tell me, how will you feel if he votes against FISA and the Repubs swiftboat him and successfully paint him as putting Americans at risk from terrorism and not being willing to protect them, and it works and he loses? Will you be proud that you held back your donation to blackmail him into that vote?

When McCain takes the reins and the unnecessary deaths of even more Americans continues to grow exponentially under his 'anti healthcare' healthcare plan and his new draft and new wars in Iran and Syria, and his economic plan sends millions of families drowning below the poverty line, will you be celebrating your moral battle although the most important war to the future of millions was lost?

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:29 am EDT

Wait, the Republicans are suddenly not going to swift-boat him? Yeah, right. If Obama is too scared to do the right thing because he's afraid of the attack ads, we need to get someone who will actually stand up to the Republicans and Mr. 24%.

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By LiberTLover Jul 9th 2008 at 3:36 am EDT

Some things are more effective than others or were you not paying attention in 2004 when Bush was re-elected? The point is you didn't answer my question. If he does what you want and the corresponding attack ads are effective and he loses because of them, will that make you happy? I think to most of us and especially Obama, getting into the WH where he can help the people who need it IS the right thing. People's lives trump everything else.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:43 am EDT

Yes, they made up shit about Kerry, and called him a flip-flopper. I don't see how anything Obama does will stop them from making up shit, but I do see how he could be called a flip-flopper here.

You seem to be implying that I am somehow supporting McCain. I will vote for Obama, but color me unenthused.

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By LiberTLover Jul 9th 2008 at 3:56 am EDT

You still did not answer my question.

And I do have a problem with people who say they will withhold financial support because if enough people adapt that attitude "but still vote for him" you still help McCain. In fact it plays right into the Repubs' hands because they will be dancing in the aisles if they can reduce his fundraising and be unable to execute his strategy to win. Why do you think that McCain is paying trolls to stir up division in this blog and other pro Obama sites? We are his strength and support and we are also his Achilles heel. If they can disrupt his financial support, that would be a major triumph for them. I would hate to give them any more advantages over the oil, defense contrator and other lobbyist millions that they are pulling in.

Laws can be changed and rewritten but you have to be in a position to do it. Peoples' lives are not so easily replaced.

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 5:25 am EDT

That same line was used by Clinto in 96 when he signed the terrible Welfare reform act and the Marriage Protection act and nothing ws done. Those laws still exist and affect the lives of the poor and gays and lesbians and treat them like secon-class citizens.

So, why did he sign 2 bills that his policy advisors said were bad? because his "political" advisors told him if he signed the bills he would get re-elected. That is not courage and, right now, we need a president who has courage to veto a bill even if in vetoing the bill it is an unpopular move but the courageous move.

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By LiberTLover Jul 9th 2008 at 10:11 am EDT

You don't answer the main question I asked either. If he votes against FISA and the Repubs successfully use it to make him lose, will you then be satisfied with thme ressult? It not like the question is out of the realm of possibility. Will you be happy with your moral victory and losing the main fight? Will it be worth it to you to watch the country continue in it's current direction or worse?

And Obama is not Clinton. Maybe the problem is that some people are so jaded that they do not recognize the genuine article when they see it. They will only appreciate it when it is too late and the Repubs are celebrating how masterfully they turned them on their own one best hope.

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 4:55 am EDT

There were many death threat against Senator Clinton and Senator MCCain. Sadly, that is a part of the corruption of American politics. That is why instead of bowling or throwing back shots of whiskey, our Democratic Leaders should show courage and back an extremely strong gun control bill.

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By LiberTLover Jul 9th 2008 at 10:18 am EDT

Because they live in a democracy where the majority rules, and apparently the majority don't want a strong gun control bill or they wouldn't consistently vote against candidates who advocate it.

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By Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:42 am EDT

Not to single any one here out, but, how many of those here bashing Barack at all over his own FISA position ACTUALLY VOTED for KING GEORGE??

In the first place either in 2000 or in 2004? hhmmmm...

Drop all the horse crap.

Unless we get a definite coalition to stand up for the only true CHANCE we HAVE at CHANGING the entire direction of this country..

We are all pretty much FFF...cc....ddd well you know.

Man, i keep hearing now the MEDIA is just going to make this whole campaign a REFERENDUM on OBAMA?/ shllliiittt...

Article on DKOS spells that out well too..

If we don't stick together and get out the vote in HUGE numbers,, because we've got hurt feelings or he dissapointed us on one two or even three of our PET issues.. well..once again

We get the government we VOTE or Don't vote for!

Peace from the OC

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 5:32 am EDT

Gore in 2000
Kerry in 2004
no vote in 92 or 96
Mondale in 84
Carter (holding my nose) in 80- I worked on the Kennedy campaign.
Carter in 76
Mcgovern in 72
No vote in 68 after Bobby Kennedy was killed.

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By Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:42 am EDT

Not to single any one here out, but, how many of those here bashing Barack at all over his own FISA position ACTUALLY VOTED for KING GEORGE??

In the first place either in 2000 or in 2004? hhmmmm...

Drop all the horse crap.

Unless we get a definite coalition to stand up for the only true CHANCE we HAVE at CHANGING the entire direction of this country..

We are all pretty much FFF...cc....ddd well you know.

Man, i keep hearing now the MEDIA is just going to make this whole campaign a REFERENDUM on OBAMA?/ shllliiittt...

Article on DKOS spells that out well too..

If we don't stick together and get out the vote in HUGE numbers,, because we've got hurt feelings or he dissapointed us on one two or even three of our PET issues.. well..once again

We get the government we VOTE or Don't vote for!

Peace from the OC

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By Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:42 am EDT

Not to single any one here out, but, how many of those here bashing Barack at all over his own FISA position ACTUALLY VOTED for KING GEORGE??

In the first place either in 2000 or in 2004? hhmmmm...

Drop all the horse crap.

Unless we get a definite coalition to stand up for the only true CHANCE we HAVE at CHANGING the entire direction of this country..

We are all pretty much FFF...cc....ddd well you know.

Man, i keep hearing now the MEDIA is just going to make this whole campaign a REFERENDUM on OBAMA?/ shllliiittt...

Article on DKOS spells that out well too..

If we don't stick together and get out the vote in HUGE numbers,, because we've got hurt feelings or he dissapointed us on one two or even three of our PET issues.. well..once again

We get the government we VOTE or Don't vote for!

Peace from the OC

Re: FISA cave-in | Report to Admin

By day break Jul 9th 2008 at 4:24 am EDT

I do not agree with you. We are living in a time where terrorist attacks are more possible. There will be warrents issued by FISA courts when the government needs to protect our interest. I have studied the issue and while I was concerned at first I have found out that this bill will make us more safe. Sometimes we have to give up a few freedoms to become more safe. I am supporting Obama on his decision all the way. I trust his judgment more than I do your opinion.

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By day break Jul 9th 2008 at 4:26 am EDT

I meant to write warrants not warrents sorry

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:30 am EDT

Existing law allows for spying without warrant as long as a friendly judge gives a warrant within 72 hours. Bush broke that law, and this bill gives retroactive immunity. What if what you have to fear is your own government? Do you really trust the Bush administration?

As Ben Franklin said:
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"

Re: FISA cave-in | Report to Admin

By day break Jul 9th 2008 at 4:52 am EDT

J,
Why can't we agree to disagree and move on. I have listened to both sides of this argument. There are good points on each side. But I feel sometimes we have to give up some of our freedoms just to be safer. Let's agree to disagree. I will continue to contribute to the campaign. Money moves Obama closer to the white house and ensures the change we need.

Re: FISA F I Z Z L E!!! | Report to Admin

By Dianne Jul 9th 2008 at 6:21 am EDT

Simply do the F I S A F I Z Z L E!!!!

This has OBVIOUSLY been a CONCERTED EFFORT by the "GRAND OLD PARTY" to trip Obama up on National Security GOTCHA Politics!

The "GRAND OLD PARTY" bloggers have been here for weeks! The "GRAND OLD PARTY" even got the Main Stream Media ON-SIDE and made this BLOG the "so-called" BS story of the day! So, damn OBVIOUS!

The "GRAND OLD PARTY" up to its SAME OLD TRICKS!

DO the F I S A F I Z Z L E!!!!

And, MOVE ON to the REAL ISSUES!!!

Misguided? | Report to Admin

By Jeanne, "who volunteers at the pleasure of the President" in Eugene, Oregon Jul 9th 2008 at 2:55 am EDT

So if it's true that there are "supporters" here on this blog tonight for whom Barack's vote tomorrow is a deal breaker...

I'd like to tell you all that your divisive, narrow-focused obsessing is not going to help my cousin come home from Iraq. Nor will it help my son with his college tuition bills or my brother in-law who has no health insurance. Look around you at this nation so badly in need of help. McCain offers none!!!!!

They say that every vote counts, especially given the bizarre vote-snatching general elections of 2000 and 2004.
If you with hold donations and votes and screw things up for the Democrat's chances in November it will not be Barack's fault but your own. Grow up and look around you... See what's at stake!

I'm throwing in the towel for tonight. Wishing Godspeed to the Obamas and to all of you dear ones...
goodnite

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:05 am EDT

Amen to your post.

This whole uproar reminds me of the religious right and their one topic voting mindset. Forget the big picture and who will best help the country...let's just all vote based on part of a bill (*sarcasm*).

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:09 am EDT

I agree.......if FISA is a deal breaker , it's a sign of very weak support to start with.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:21 am EDT

Yes, very weak support.

They are called the "one-topic supporters" who will disappear due to "part" of a bill.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 3:31 am EDT

Narrow-minded and near-sighted with a limited world view. There's way too much at stake to cling to a single issue like it's the only one that matters.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 4:22 am EDT

It is not a deal breaker for me but I understand how it could be.

If Obama came out in favor of the war or if he said he would not push to deal with climate change.I would be gone. I suspect that there are those that would stay under those circumstances but would leave over fisa.
For me he could become pro life and abandon health care reform and abandon any middle class tax relief and it wouldn't impact my support one bit. But fisa type issues are actually third on list. This is why I'm still here but I'm a bit weakened by it all.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:27 am EDT

What I worry is that many in Congress were so quick to renege on their earlier promises, and try to placate the right-wing on FISA, what's to stop that from happening on Iraq, universal health care, and global warming? I guess I lost the hope.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 6:19 am EDT

You definitely lost hope. All you can think about is the sky is falling...the world is coming to an end...all isn't perfect in my world as I imagined it...oh, what to do?

Reality check...Barack will make compromises...he sold himself as someone who works across the aisle. No surprise there.

Compromising means...that regardless of what you believe and want...you are losing part of what you want, but you're gaining what's most important to you. Nothing in life is perfect.

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By Kestrel Jul 9th 2008 at 3:09 am EDT

agreed. this is not a "one-issue" election. and lately, mccain is looking even scarier than bush.

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 5:53 am EDT

Neither will a time table nor moving your cousin to Afghan. This was an operation that was botched from the beginning. Keep in mind the Soviets in the late 70's and early 80's went into Afghan and got their superior butts kick.

If we had followed the Powell Doctrine on the use of military force in Afghan, we would not now have the problems we do and would not have gone into Iraq. We now know the cabal of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld lied to Powell and gave him misinformation especially on the tubing issue by sending someone from the Nuclear Regulatory who didn't know a thing to brief him.

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By evathia Jul 9th 2008 at 2:58 am EDT

Here's a great interview with the whole Obama family via Access Hollywood. It's on the top right part 1 and 2 :) Those girls are little gems!

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By Marie Hussein from New Mexico Jul 9th 2008 at 3:01 am EDT

They are wonderful, aren't they? I just finished watching a video of Dad cooking for them. He made sandwiches.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 3:27 am EDT

Watching that video made me feel all warm and cozy-cuddly. What a great family...functional too. That's a rarity nowadays. They're a perfect example what's possible when you you come from love and respect for each other. I'm still smiling.

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 3:03 am EDT

I commented before about how this media narrative was beginning to take shape, and tonight on Countdown Chuck Todd parroted the narrative being pushed on all media outlets by McCain and the RNC: the election of 2008 is a referendum on Barack Obama. Todd seemed to say it as though the media will freely embrace that idea and run with it.

I say no, no, no! The election of 2008 SHOULD BE a referendum on Bush/McCain policies and the destructive path they have put this country on.

Thankfully, I'm not the only one who picked up on this: Link

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:12 am EDT

I am so SICK of the media kissing McCain's loser a$$!!!

Every time I see a clip of McCain on TV...it is extremely painful to watch. He has got to be the worst speaker on the face of the earth. Could he be any more boring? My God!

McCain is NOT qualified to be POTUS, period. Did anybody watch the Republican debate? McCain had no answers...he just kept referring to all the people who endorsed him...that literally was his answer to the economic questions, among others.

McCain is not a bright guy. Let's face it.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:16 am EDT

No matter how far to the right McCain moves and how far to "the center" Obama moves, the media will always support McCain. Such is the American media.

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By Marie Hussein from New Mexico Jul 9th 2008 at 3:20 am EDT

I watched Countdown tonight. I thought Chuck Todd said McCain NEEDED to make this election a referendum about Obama, not that it is a referendum about Obama. What else does McCain have going for him besides "hero" and "security"? He changes monthly on some issues.

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 3:31 am EDT

McCain's evidently already made it that. Morning Joe and Mika kept repeating all last week how this election was "all about Obama". On CNN, several pundits have repeated the same thing. It keeps coming up, the McCain camp is pushing it, and the media seems to be accepting it instead of scrutinizing anything.

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By Dianne Jul 9th 2008 at 6:35 am EDT

I watched the 'Countdown' segment with Chuck Todd twice. And, the message is: a SHOE.

He said: Barack is the uncomfortable fit.

According to Chucky: The "Grand Old Party" is the "comfortable SHOE" and the "safety SHOE".

Really? The WARHAWK "GRAND OLD PARTY" is the comfortable & safe shoe?

Well, Chucky Babe, MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR A NEW SHOE!

The "OLD SHOE" is WORN OUT!!!!!

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:20 am EDT

I agree , he surely isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 3:49 am EDT

Hi James...heard it was in the 90's in Eugene. It was sunny and windy here on the coast.

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:51 am EDT

Hi Elizabeth ,

Yes it was very hot here today , but my Garden is growing fast.......LOL.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:01 am EDT

Since I'm working 6 days a week...there went my plans for a garden...no time. Perhaps next year.

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 3:23 am EDT

No, McCain isn't a smart guy and that's why the media is dumbing this election down--low expectations for McCain. Obama, on the other hand, will be held to much, much higher standards.

You know, I heard two African American women talking today while I was watching my kids play at McDonalds, and one of them said something like,"Black people are such good athletes b/c of all the obstacles constantly being thrown in front of us," and they were talking about how Obama will be the best athlete alive by the time this election is over b/c the media is not going to be friendly, and that there will be many more obstacles for him than McCain. I'm beginning to think they have a valid point.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:26 am EDT

That's a good analogy. Very interesting and hands down...the truth.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 3:43 am EDT

McCain comes across as a C- when it comes to grading speeches. I've actually felt embarrassed for the man a couple of times while listening to his speeches. And, every time he says my friends, I keep wondering who he is speaking to. Even
the most conservative folks I've talked to here on the Oregon Coast find his policies incoherent and contrived, and his boring presentation of his campaign issues sleep inducing.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:27 am EDT

I suppose the one silver lining is that maybe they can still be nailed for their pre-9/11 lawbreaking. Blah.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:32 am EDT

Good point, let's not try people for murders either, it'd be expensive and someone could lose a job.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:51 am EDT

Reneging his promise won't help him. Are you sure that they could be sued for criminal charges? It's a company that would be sued, and there are statute of limitations.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:49 am EDT

Where was the outcry from all these FISA Constitution loving supporters...when the 2006 Military Commissions Act took away many rights, including habeus corpus, and gave the President all the power in the world...as if he were King or a dictator? Talk about no oversight!

Where was the concern then?

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 3:57 am EDT

Link

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 4:02 am EDT

I'm more referring to the media not covering that the public was upset, the way the coverage is now...which means that not enough of an uproar was made that warranted any news coverage.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:08 am EDT

Well, maybe there was some missing woman that the media decided was more important to report on. We're hardly responsible for what the media reports.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 6:07 am EDT

Of course we are not responsible for what the media reports. BUT a big enough stink was not made, therefore, there was no coverage of a public outcry. That is a fact! Not because you know about it means that the general public is aware.

I know there was no coverage, because I had to do my own research to learn what was really going on. The regular Joe on the street did not know or care about The Military Commissions Act of 2006. And you cannot convince me otherwise...I know this from experience.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 3:55 am EDT

I do believe a lot of people were upset, but because there was no venue to voice their opinions. Even if they had spoken out, there was no one to listen and besides, they'd be called unpatriotic. I think what were experiencing now is the lid blown off the tea kettle.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 4:10 am EDT

This topic has been a serious topic of covern for years especially on dailykos. As many of you have only recently realzed, msm does not really cover the news or what goes on in the senate. So the reason this is now in your face is that we are able to catch your attention due to the campaign. It is apparent that most people were not even aware of Obama's previous statements which he is now about to contradict..

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 4:28 am EDT

This has been posted earlier by Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

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By day break Jul 9th 2008 at 4:37 am EDT

Dear Unknown User. Obama is voting on a new bill. He isn't changing his mind he's voting on something that gives him more of what he wanted. I trust Obama's judgement more than I do your opinion.

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:03 am EDT

Nice straw man, but we were outraged when Bush supported it.

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By Max Hussein Who lives in orange County California and has HOPE! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:50 am EDT (Updated Jul 9th 2008 at 12:03 pm EDT)

This post has been removed due to offensive or disrespectful content.

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By James Brown.....Proudly Voted For President Obama ! Jul 9th 2008 at 3:54 am EDT

LOL......I hear ya ! I think most of us in here are so sick of this topic , we are ready to scream.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:04 am EDT

It's utterly exhausting...so much negative energy. It doesn't help that temperatures are above normal in many parts of the country. That always gets people even more hot under the collar.

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By Sharon~Independent for Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 6:30 am EDT

I actually stayed off the blog for awhile due to all the non-stop FISA back and forth. I can't believe I got caught up in it tonight. UGHH!

I'm soooooo OVER the FISA topic...I'm to the point where I don't even care if the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, the homeless guy on the street, my neighbor, or whoever...is watching, or listening to my every word.

This topic has been talked to death...can we now bury it, please. If every time I pop in it's the same ole FISA talk...I'll just pop right back out.

Totally burnt out on the FISA topic!

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By Bham For Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 3:58 am EDT

FISA does not grant retroactive immunity.

There is a lot of trolling here tonight. Trolls, no one cares if you do not support Obama. We were not expecting it anyway. Obamacans please read the first and the second FISA bill.

Realize, those talking against Obama are not true supporters, they are posing as supporters to give the MSM something to talk about.

Trolls go report mission failed. No true Obama supporter affect by your lies.

Obama Land stay focused and true to the cause, Barack Obama for President of the United States of America.

Pat for Obama

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:06 am EDT

Trolls who voted for him in the primary?

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:13 am EDT

No profile.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:12 am EDT

Thanks Patricia,
I do believe most of us who visit the blogs on a daily basis have learned to be fairly good troll spotters. It's easy to see through the subterfuge as they all use the same cookie cutter buzz words and phrases they learned in troll school.

I have been known to engage an interloper on occasion simply to draw them out and see if they can actually think for themselves. When they simply repeat the same old jargon without a fresh and original thought, I know that any further effort on my part is a waste of time.

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By Unknown User Jul 9th 2008 at 4:49 am EDT

It is a delusion if you think that those of us who disagree on fisa are not or never were supporters. If it makes you feel better to believe this go ahead and do so but misunderstandings of voter motivations has always been your party's major downfall. I hope you don't repeat it especially since I am voting with you this time.

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By Merry Jul 9th 2008 at 7:07 am EDT

Troll school...Thats a good one!!! I've noticed when one of them posts, there is usually another one lurking close by. Is it possible to set up more than one account, so it is the same person using different identities??? That might explain why "all" these people can't get beyond the one topic.

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By Troopersfortruth Jul 9th 2008 at 4:00 am EDT

Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals.

interview:
Link

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By J from Berkeley, CA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:18 am EDT

There's plenty to not like about this new bill.

Link

Remember, what Bush did was already illegal, so there is no need for a new bill. Existing law allows for wiretaps for 72 hours before you get a friendly judge to issue a warrant, hardly a steep requirement, but no, that's too much effort for Bush.

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By Bham For Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 4:13 am EDT

Nigh all.

Don't forget to turn the lights off and leave the trolls in the dark.

Pat for Obama

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By Bham For Obama Jul 9th 2008 at 4:18 am EDT

Thanks Oregon.

Obama Land, stay focused and true to the cause, Barack Obama for President of the United States of America.

Pat for Obama

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:22 am EDT

The West Coast is truly Obamaland.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:26 am EDT

Lights must be out? Well, in that case I might as well call it a night.

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By Doreen D IOWA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:26 am EDT

Hello everyone, so many of you are up, well I am here until 9AM feel free to keep on blogging. Does anyone know when Barack will come back to IOWA? much talk about FISA, lets keep in mind we will not agree with everything our man decides to do, lets trust him all the way, he will not let us down. Lets get him in the white house no matter what. My 21 year old stated if McCain wins he is moving to Canada!! we can't let this happen.

OBAMA09

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:30 am EDT

Lights back on. Hi Valerie. I'm still up and reasonably alert.

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By Elizabeth from Depoe Bay Jul 9th 2008 at 4:32 am EDT

However, I am confused. When I replied to Doreen...the message below the comment text box said Valerie????

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By Doreen D IOWA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:42 am EDT

Elizabeth, I don't understand why that is, it is my name though. How is Oregon? I use to live in Salem and Mt. Angel in the mid 80's, I loved it out their. Lots of rain though, who knows I might move back, not a lot of entertainment, or has this changed? I like smooth jazz concerts etc. What are the happenings?

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 4:33 am EDT

This has been posted earlier by Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the filibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

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By Coalition for a United America Jul 9th 2008 at 4:51 am EDT

1) Not everyone that has voiced some concern here is a tool or a troll. Some of us and I have no idea how many, truly believe in the Democratic Party but do have some concerns. As the Party of Diversity, we, as you, have a right to voice our opinion, our views. That is one of the core Democratic ideals that must not be lost.

2) The vote on the FISA bill is a true test of all Democrat's commitment to the core values of our party. This vote is not just a test for Senator Obama but also Senator Clinton. If they vote no, I assure you that they will reap huge amount of support and goodwill within the base and this will propel hin to an overwhelming victory regardless of what the Republican Attack dogs throw at him.
the voting of NO on this bill can be represented as saying no more of the lies and deceit of 8 years of Bush/Cheney and acts committed that should of led to an Impeachment hearing when the Democrats gained control. A resounding NO vote says to the Rove's of the world, we won't buy into your tactic anymore.

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By Doreen D IOWA Jul 9th 2008 at 4:59 am EDT

What does the Democratic party want? what I mean is the House and other Senators?

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By Australian Helen Jul 9th 2008 at 5:07 am EDT

I posted this some days ago & I am posting it again!

This FISA thing hasn't happened yet! It is nothing but a beat up by the other side. They expected Barack would vote against it, as he normally would. He has thrown them into turmoil because they were all just waiting for him do that so they could defeat him on the grounds of not protecting American citizens.

They are now trying to force him to vote against it. He is too smart to fall for their trap.

What will he do when it finally comes up? ONLY he knows & he really isn't telling anybody anything because it is still in motion & amendments are happening. He knows where many of his supporters stand, but he also knows he is being swiftboated by the RIGHT.

STOP PUSHING THIS ISSUE! Let Barack use his brains to work out which is the blunter edge of a double edged sword.

OBAMA 08

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 5:40 am EDT

You said it all Helen. Thank you.

Sometimes I feel that we outside the USA have more information than the American people about what's going on in their country.
I remember in 2000 and 2004 when all the world media wrote about Bush and Co and how ultra-conservative they were and how electing him president will set America back...but still they voted for him twice. Beyond my human understanding "sigh"
Now they are trying to do the same opposite thing to Barack. They will not stop until they defeat Obama campaign and they are the very people who claim to be his ardent supporters. Again beyond my understanding!

I guess you get the president you deserve...it's a shame to think America (the beacon of hope for so many and for so long) deserves McBush III. I have hard time grasping that you're going to auto-sabotage like this on this rare opportunity of taking back your country with a true leader and showing the world that America can and will always redeem itself!

Wake up, wake up my fellow Americans for the slumber has been long! The world is waiting for you to take up the fight and defeat McCain/Bush.

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By The EQualizer Jul 9th 2008 at 4:30 am EDT

Link

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 4:33 am EDT

Is it in fact a green vegetable with strange protrusions..

And why wasn't he escorted off the premises?

It's funny watching him listening intently to what the policemen is saying to the librarian.

So is he dressed up as a veg or not? If so what veg is it and how does it relate to McCain and Bush.

Please, someone tell me!
Good morning

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 4:34 am EDT

Link

Forgot link.

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 5:55 am EDT

Yes that was funny.

Bush and McCain III are definitely two peas in a pod.

Viva Obama!

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By The EQualizer Jul 9th 2008 at 4:35 am EDT

Link

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 4:43 am EDT

Around 36 million people voted for a democratic nominee. so who exactly 'brung' who?

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By Willy Hussein Jul 9th 2008 at 4:49 am EDT

My gosh guys, I watched extended excerpts of the Obamas interview on Dan Abrams. It was amazing, those kids just really took over the show. They may have just sold the Obama family to the American people. It was unusually genuine. Why would they even let the kids in the interview?

OBAMA'08

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 4:55 am EDT

Why shouldn't they let the kids in the interview? It's good for people to get to know the family. It's easy to forget that the BO family is still knew to the american people.

And aren't they gorgeous. (-:

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By jovie sullivan Jul 9th 2008 at 4:53 am EDT

The Illinois Senator will appear on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” NBC’s “Today” and CBS’ “Early Show” live at the top of the shows.

So tune in guys!

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 5:02 am EDT

obama needs to go on the factor with bill oreilly. He did say that he would after the primaries.

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By jovie sullivan Jul 9th 2008 at 5:10 am EDT

bill oreily is crazy and will make obama look like shit! NO WAY!

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 5:17 am EDT

I'm an independant. I watch all news outlets. Fox is definately pro-mccain. However, I have detected that oreilly has been very fair and balanced when covering obama. Sometimes I detect that he would probably vote for him, but of course he won't admit it. I don't know if you watch the factor or not (i do), but I am very impressed with oreilly's coverage of both candidates.

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 5:19 am EDT

He did tell oreilly he would do his show. I want to see it. He will definately have to have his "A" game on. Oreilly will ask tough questions.

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By Dianne Jul 9th 2008 at 8:27 am EDT

I think the Obama Campaign is doing a TERRIFIC job!

Fox News? The 'Fox Hole'!!! Wouldn't they love to have Barack Obama on! Ratings would soar!

BARACK OBAMA doesn't need to do Fox News.

I remember quite well the last time and perhaps only the one time Barack did Fox news during the Primaries. It was an interview with Major Garrett and Barack was allowed 'yes' or 'no' answers only.

Fox blew it!!!!

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By ♥ dreamweaver "Grab A Mop" ♥ aka Vicki from Iowa Jul 9th 2008 at 10:37 am EDT

Actually Barack has since done Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. It was an hour show and Barack did great. He did not go to their studios he made them come to him. It was during the primaries and I think the show was done in Wisconsin, though I am not sure about the State. This was after Major Garrett.

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By ♥ dreamweaver "Grab A Mop" ♥ aka Vicki from Iowa Jul 9th 2008 at 10:38 am EDT

Actually Barack has since done Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. It was an hour show and Barack did great. He did not go to their studios he made them come to him. It was during the primaries and I think the show was done in Wisconsin, though I am not sure about the State. This was after Major Garrett about Wright.

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By Australian Helen Jul 9th 2008 at 5:10 am EDT

I am here because:
I do not believe that one child / adult should die because medical care is not available.
I believe that the richest child should receive the same medical attention as the poorest child.
I believe that every member of society has a right to shelter, medical care & food.
I believe that society has a duty to ensure that every child has a right to the same quality of education.
I believe that race should have no bearing on employment
I believe totally & completely in equality in all aspects of human life & endeavour.
I believe that a Government which has failed to provide an opportunity to be gainfully employed to every person who wants to work has a duty to support that person / family until adequate jobs become available.
I believe that no person of any age should be forced to live in dire poverty having to choose between heating & basic nourishing food.

I am here because America has always led the way in human rights & welfare until recent decades. I am here because America must once again lead the world by example in these area.

For the first time since 1960 I have HOPE that a person has finally emerged with the capacity to inspire a movement for HOPE coupled with the VISION needed to overcome the obstacles to implement the health, education & welfare initiatives required to achieve MY DREAM.

OBAMA 08

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 5:24 am EDT

You make good points, but don't forget about the personal responsibility the citizens must have. Of course there are situations where people really need help, but there are some who will take advantage of the system due to a lack of personal responsibility.

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By jovie sullivan Jul 9th 2008 at 5:37 am EDT

This thing that McSamne said about Iran might have legs. It has been reported three times in One half hour on msnbc. He said, that the exports to Iran of Cigarrettes might kill em. He later appologized and said he was joking. STUPIDTIY!

huh? Lets play this over and over and over again! yeah baby!!

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By Australian Helen Jul 9th 2008 at 7:25 am EDT

Lindy,

There will always be irresponsible people. It is in itself a combination of circumstances & lack of the mental strength needed to do something. However, I do not believe that any child should be deprived of health, education, shelter & food due to the sins of the parents (in our country usually drug addict parents).

Right now many are being forced into penury by dreadful loans they probably should not have taken, but the Nation does have a duty to protect them against predation by loan sharks. They & their kids deserve far more assistance that they have had so far.

Helen

OBAMA 09

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 5:44 am EDT

Helen please read my answer to your post above.

Yes We Can & Yes We Will!

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By Brian from Munich Jul 9th 2008 at 5:34 am EDT

Anyone here know more details about Barack's possible speech at the Brandenburger Tor in Berlin????

A group of us from Munich really want to attend!!!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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By Brian from Munich Jul 9th 2008 at 5:34 am EDT

Anyone here know more details about Barack's possible speech at the Brandenburger Tor in Berlin????

A group of us from Munich really want to attend!!!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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By Angelika Jul 9th 2008 at 5:49 am EDT

Hello and good morning from Berlin,
he'll be here on July 24th, meet the chancellor and the secretary of state, probably leave on 25th. The mayor of Berlin has agreed to a speech at the Brandenburg gate. For details her two links (one in german). The schedule isn't known yet.
Link
http://www.berlinonline.de/ber liner-zeitung/berlin/104605/in dex.php

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 5:36 am EDT

Good morning everyone. How are you all?

Carole in England

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 5:50 am EDT

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By Theresa in Maine Jul 9th 2008 at 5:40 am EDT

Nancy Palocy and Harry Reed: Why are you letting this evil continue? Why? Is it because this is a political year and impeachment proceedings would take the focus off the need to elect Obama? I'd really like to know.

WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney's office worked to alter sworn congressional testimony provided by a federal official in order to play down the threat of global warming and head off regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, a former government official said in a new accusation Tuesday.
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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 5:54 am EDT

yes theresa, it is because it is presidential election year. They would be wanting to know whether or not BO supports the impeachment. This would definately take BO off message. I know our current administration has been dreadful, but we have endured 7.5 yrs, I think we can handle .5 more years although we don't want to. We need to start looking to the future, and that is Jan. 20. Bush is old news now, unless of course we elect mccain for some reason.

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By Theresa in Maine Jul 9th 2008 at 6:23 am EDT

Indy: I surely understand what you said and thought this was part of the reason. But.... Does all this have to be weighed with the fact that we have let the present administration commit crimes without batting an eye? Is it even RIGHT to let these crimes go unpunished and unnoticed with an: "Oh well, they'll soon be out of office?

Are we not a country of laws? Or are we a country who practices "it depends on who breaks the laws and when?" Bill Clinton broke the law for lying under oath. He paid dearly for that, including the loss of his license to practice law for 6 years. His crime was lying to the grand jury which is a felony.

OK, then what about this administration lying about the Valerie Plame outting? Lying about sex and lying about national secrity in my book are two different things. One is most likely done every single day by individuals attempting to hide their affairs (not under oath, of course) and the other placed many lives in danger.

OK, what about breaking our own constitution by allowing torture, actually encouraging torture and so so much more?

My point is that it's not about putting up with this administration for another half year, it's about the sanctity of our constitution and obeying our American laws.

Years from now historians may well question why this administration was allowed to break the law so often and continue to do so even with a democratic congress at the helm for the last 2 years?

I have to wonder why the dems are remaining silent.

Congressman Dennis Kucinich is completely correct, but no one listens to him.

Oh well, soon it will all be over and a question for the historians to ponder.

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 6:45 am EDT

I hear you Theresa and you definately make good points. The fact of the matter is that this is politics. I do beleive that crimes were committed by the bush administration. However, to successfully impeach or even jail a sitting President has only been done I think once or twice. No matter how much bush cra p ped on the constitution or broke laws, the dems will not risk possibly losing the election in nov. by serving as a distraction and taking BO of the Iraq, economy, healthcare etc. subjects. Is this right, maybe not, is this politics, DEFINATELY.

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By Kevin & Meimii Curham Jul 9th 2008 at 5:49 am EDT

I'm glad Senator Obama visited my home state for the last couple of days but because I am permanently disabled I was not able to attend.

After the utterly startling revelations made by Iraqi's government the last few days I think Senator Obama should challenge Senator McCain to live up to his word and cosign legislation that will set timetables for withdrawal in Iraq. Senator McCain has clearly stated that when the Iraqis tell us we should leave we must leave. If Senator McCain has gone against his promise to bring the troops home Senator Obama should call him on it.

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 5:53 am EDT

Hi, can anyone please spare a bit to donate?

Pleaae help me keep this clock going. It's almost midnight.

Thank you so much.

Link

Carole

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Countdown!

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p.s. It's the donation, please give whatever you are able to.

Thank you so much!

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 5:55 am EDT

oops..well, it must be almost midnight somewhere...

I guess I meant, it's time. Please, can anyone make a donation now?

Thank you so much!

Carole, trying

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 5:57 am EDT

okay, does anyone know any good jokes?

The other night, a member of Parliament here told a joke:

(I'll leave it to you to decide if it's good or not)

Obama says he will campaign in 50 states.
McCain says he will campaign in 13 colonies.

Any nice kind donations for a small joke?

Carole

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By THE REAL DEAL Jul 9th 2008 at 5:56 am EDT

In these news cycle we as americans have to be able to understand where everybody's coming from. Barack Obama (democrate runing for president), John Mcain (republican, who flp flops in the sme sentence) and then the media (who wants to keep raidings up). Barack Obama has not changed his position on Iraq. God bless the media but they took the story and went crazy. In fact, if you go back to the primaries Barack has said the very same things he said in his press confrence. He said it in georgia again tues. he will bring the troops home within the spand of 16 months. He's always said, WE WILL BE AS CAREFUL GETING OUT AS WE WERE CARELESS GETING IN. John Mcain should really be the story because since he has nothing of substance to say whispers to the media (some say he's delibrately lying on Barack) and is playing polotics with the lives of our troops. FOX news is also playing polotics with lives because the're keeping this distortion by the Mcain campaign going. Ladies and gentlmen I submit to you that change is also going to depend on us, Barack has started it (calling us to common ground, no lobby lobby money, calling for the dems not take money from the lobbys) and if you watch closely you can see that what he is starting after 8 years we as americans must finish. Media is great but lets just remember what their job is to do. They got it wrong that time!!!! DON'T BE FOOLED. NOT THIS TIME, NOT THIS YEAR!!

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By jovie sullivan Jul 9th 2008 at 6:03 am EDT

MSNBC IS PUSHING WAR WITH IRAN THIS MORNING!

HERE WE GO AGAIN.

AND ALL YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT IS FISA.

THIS IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT. EVERYBODY CALL THERE CONGRESSMAN AND DEMAND THAT WE DO NOT GO TO WAR WITH IRAN!

DEMAND IT!

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By HoldMyHand Jul 9th 2008 at 7:10 am EDT

They tested rockets already.
Those guys are ready for America.

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 6:04 am EDT

Hi, I'd like to start a discussion about this.

How do you all feel about the fact that Obama supporters are working very very hard for him here in England.

We've held election watch parties. We've held phone banks. When Obama's campaign asked us to hold voter registration events, we did. When the campaign asked us to hold a Unite for Change event, we did.

Even the Democratic party did not do that.

We did.

450 members of the Obama UK Meetup have worked hard for over a year and a half now.

Every speech, every rally, we've graciously supported and admired the chance of everyone in the U.S. to go and see our candidate, meet him, even to hear him.

Now we are being told we are nothing, do not count. He will be in England and meet with - the top money donors. And leave grassroots supporters out in the cold.

This is our hero. This is the man we will continue to work for. This is a man, yes, with a busy trip, but is there no time for grassroots supporters?

Every day here on this blog, we read campaign blogs from paid staffers about grassroots, grassroots, how much grassroots workers are valued.

What about us?

It is our first chance to be even in the same country with Obama.

I'm getting calls day and night from people, email inbox is jammed with mail from supporters who have worked for him and hope to just even have a chance to see him, maybe hear him.

And now - those with top dollars who have done nothing but write a check - not worked for a year and half - get to meet our hero.

Media is calling me and asking what is going on. What should I tell them?

What do you think?

Hillary said she does not value the grassroots people. Now the Obama team seems to be saying the same thing.

Of course I understand Obama needs money, but -
what about us, the hundreds of people working for so long to support Obama in every way we can think of?

I have worked most of every day for a long, long time now to support and work for Obama. People have told me the campaign people have outright lied to them when they asked if he will come here.

Your opinions, please?

Carole

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 6:15 am EDT

Does anyone have anything to say about the apparent disregard for Obama's working supporters?

We do understand time is limited. But come on, folks. how often will he be here?

There are millions of American voters overseas. Some people belive the absentee vote could swing the election in some states.

What do you think? We want to work hard for Obama.

Carole

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 6:17 am EDT

Well carol I can see your point. However you have the unsung hero role. Similar to an offensive lineman in football. The offensive line gets down and dirty in the trenches, and blows wholes wide open for the running backs, quarterbacks, and receivers so they can score the touchdowns. But don't think for one moment that the running backs and quarterbacks don't appreciate and love their offensive line. The flashy positions gets most of the attention and press, just like the people with alot of money. But without grassroots these candidates are nothing. It's like we have to take the high ground even though we're on the low ground. I hope this helps.

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 6:32 am EDT

Hi Indy, from your neighbor in Jenison, MI

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 6:46 am EDT

A fellow Michigander. Hello back to ya.

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 6:21 am EDT

Hello.

I'm a UK citizen and can't vote so my opinion might not be that valid.

But I have been blogging, made calls to Indiana, and even had pizza delivered to Northeastern Philadelphia. ( I've decided not to continue as I'm not sure it actually helps having a brit interfereing...(-:)

I've only done a tiny bit compared to your group though. My feeling is that I wouldn't be offended in your position. BO will be here again sometime and I'm sure you'll get to see him. There must be tons of people in the states who have worked their butts of for BO and not had a chance to see him.

Hows about those grassroots workers in West Virginia for example who had to canvas in some pretty hostile conditions, they haven't had a visit yet.

So tell everyone not to worry. If they don't get a chance this time, I'm sure they will sooner or later.

Cheers.

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 6:24 am EDT

Actually, you could always turn up to wherever he is visiting waving a flag and wearing your buttons. You might get a peep and a wave.

(-:

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 6:30 am EDT

Your exactly right debbie. I know people who did knock and drops for obama in pennsylvania. They walked door to door throught the entire city of pittsburgh for 4 days. Some of the people were really rude and said some really nasty things about them and BO. However, they continued on and on. They did get to go to a rally, but by no means did people really get to meet him. I guess the point is that it isn't about individuals getting credit or even meeting BO, its about changing this country and also the world. Like helping someone, but the one you help has no idea of what you went through to help them.

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 6:37 am EDT

I always think of them as the unsung heroes. It's one thing to canvas in a friendly area, quite another to do it in places where you're generally not welcome...and you know you have no chance of winning in that area.

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 6:46 am EDT

...actually that's not always the case - the not winning bit.

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By Adrienne Jul 9th 2008 at 10:01 am EDT

Oh, man...

I hope that's not true for you guys. I hope he comes to your part of the world for a visit--maybe that's part of the trip that hasn't been leaked yet? I know I'm late replying, but I hope you get to see him.

It makes me feel guilty b/c he was in Atlanta, GA, 2 hours away from me and I didn't go see him...geez.

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 6:23 am EDT

Good morning Carole!

Your group has done an amazing job donating and working to get Obama elected. I appreciate all you do.

I'm sorry you won't be able to see Obama when he is over there. Maybe you could contact headquarters about your concerns.

Remember too that all of you who supported and worked for Obama did so with no strings attached. I am sure many people even here in the states will never see him or meet him, but that doesn't stop them from volunteering and donating. Unfortunately, he cannot be everywhere or please everyone.

I understand your frustration. I wish it could be different for you and your group.

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By Lois in VT, who's got hope~ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:24 am EDT

In the words of Al Gore to Howard Dean after he got railroaded after the Dean scream, "It's not about you, Carole, it's about your country!"

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 8:07 am EDT

Thank you everyone, for your feelings.

Let me clarify:

I've never claimed the glory. There isn't any. I'm not doing this for resume value. I've never expected anything. I have worked as hard as I can for the same reasons millions of other volunteers work - to elect Obama.

I understand that everyone wants to meet Barack. I've got a lot more urgent things to do in working to get him elected than go for glory.

People here are not even getting the chance to stand and wave flags and cheer for him. Given his importance and presumably, his schedule, we don't expect to have him meet with us privately or shake our hands.

We're being denied the simple opportunity to get to just see him at all.

If he did no appearances, it would be understandable. Of course I understand the campaign needs money. You've all seen that I'm doing every effort I can think of to help, and with the number of supporters.

So I understand the football analogy. I do think this is terribly unfair.

The calls I am getting are coming from people crying into the phone, ready to do anything, go anywhere, for just a glimpse of Obama.

So please do not think I am unaware of the realities here. It's just so very frustrating for working volunteers.

While I see from your comments that many in the US also have not been able to see him, there has been the opportunity, where he's campaigned, for many. We've only been able to imagine even having that opportunity here.

Thanks for your opinions on this!

Carole

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 6:56 am EDT

The eye sees the flower, the mind's eye sees the root...

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 7:11 am EDT

Unsung Heroes!!!

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 7:41 am EDT

Thanks. It made me cry but it's good to be reminded of what's at stake. I think Joe faffing about FISA should be made to watch it.

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By Czarina CarolforObama Jul 9th 2008 at 7:16 am EDT

Carole, this is late but I want to add to what everyone else has said. There are many, many, many, many, many of us who are out on the streets working our butts to the ground. I have days when I come home from an event and my back is so sore, I can hardly move. And I know the chances of meeting Barack are pretty slim...but I still continue.

Please be assured that Barack cares very deeply about everything we all do. Remember, he started out as a community organizer, so he is well aware of our work on the street.

But as one blogger mentioned, we do it with no strings attached. I have seen you blog many times, and your messages have always been uplifting. Please remember that Barack does care about us all, not just people with deep pockets.

And who knows? You may one day get to see Barack in person. I am a firm believer in never say never. Meanwhile, please stay strong and remember how much the campaign needs you.

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By hollywaz Jul 9th 2008 at 6:15 am EDT

Hi Folks

i have checked the various event schedules of the washington posts, new york times and other news organisations and BO has no events for the next 4 days. does this mean that he has silently slipped away for tha trip to iraq. i know the secret service wouldny want his travel to be published until he was in the country.

BO has no speaking engagements and his senate office has no information on any votes or debates he has to attendin the senate

where is he for the rest of this week!!!!!

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By Mildred Jul 9th 2008 at 6:22 am EDT

He is supposed to be in NY for a couple of fund raising events this evening and tomorrow morning.

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By Doreen D IOWA Jul 9th 2008 at 6:22 am EDT

Joe and Pat are up to their same old BS games this morning, they can't wait to bash him on his issues. I which I can face the two of them, I would have a few words to say.

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By Lois in VT, who's got hope~ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:26 am EDT

TURN OFF MSM!

Your blood pressure will thank you.

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By Czarina CarolforObama Jul 9th 2008 at 7:06 am EDT

You can say that again. I just finished watching a very nice speech by John Edwards on cspan. I wouldn't waste my time watching Morning Joe, CNN or any of those shows.

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:29 am EDT

To all those who are ganging up on Barack lately and threatening to hold their donations and money, here is a 6 minute-video from MSNBC: Link

Please watch until the end because it gets better (worse) at the end!
This is just a glimpse in an eventual McCain III presidency, SCARY!!!

After watching this, I suggest you roll up your sleeves and do everything you can to help Barack win in November, otherwise we're doomed with you!

On a much brighter note watch the Obama family interview Link
They are absolutely lovely and lovable.

Yes We Can & Yes Barack will prevail!

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By Czarina CarolforObama Jul 9th 2008 at 7:04 am EDT

Thanks so much for the link. It is badly needed, and I hope others will watch it also. Oftentimes I think Barack is just too good for us, those of us who are so shaky, fickled, and fair-weathered.

I pray that we will not make the same mistakes we made in 2004 and 2000, that we will finally realize we are only hurting ourselves and, even worse, hurting our children.

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 7:20 am EDT

I pray with you Carol.

I really hope people wake up already and start working with others to leave a better place for the generations to come.
After all is said and done, in essence we have the same hopes for our children and grandchildren and the sames aspirations for ourselves. We all want to find peace, purpose and fulfillment in our lives.

Keep up the good work Obama family and You shall prevail!

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 6:42 am EDT

I do not think there is any thrill that can go through the human heart like that felt by the inventor as he sees some creation of the brain unfolding to success... Such emotions make a man forget food, sleep, friends, love, everything.
Nikola Tesla

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 6:43 am EDT

Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.
Nikola Tesla

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 6:44 am EDT

The spread of civilisation may be likened to a fire; first, a feeble spark, next a flickering flame, then a mighty blaze, ever increasing in speed and power.
Nikola Tesla

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 6:49 am EDT

Thank you so much Dennis for these beautiful and inspiring quotes.

Yes We Can & Yes We Will Prevail.

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By HoldMyHand Jul 9th 2008 at 7:07 am EDT

Good job Dennis - this is good.

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 7:00 am EDT

I've just watched her on CNN say she doesn't like BO and doesn't trust him.

She was a bundler for hrc and is fabulously wealthy as part of the Rothschild family.

YUK, is there anything in the family business that I can boycott. I hope BO tells her to go stuff her money (a piddly 100K she bundled for hrc). That there's nothing in it for her re business or favours. I think she hedges her bets in a business sense and gives to both dems and repubs.

I think they are the sort of people you don't want with connections in government.

My message to her - keep your 100K, new style of government doesn't need it.

Tara.

(rant over)

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 7:03 am EDT

Oh and while Miss Moneybags is witholding her money I'm going to see if I can withold my consumer spending on anything she makes her money from.

(still irritated!)

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By Australian Helen Jul 9th 2008 at 7:18 am EDT

If all a member of the Rothchild family could manage to raise as a bundler was $100,000, I suggest the lady & her elite friends were not very keen on Hilary either.
OBAMA 09

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By Doreen D IOWA Jul 9th 2008 at 7:05 am EDT

Yea, I saw this, what a jerk she is, I'd say keep the 100k as well. I couldn't believe how forward she was by saying no, I don't like him, what an idiot, and she is suppose to be a demo, what partnership she is. I am done ranting...

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 7:11 am EDT

Corporate people are afraid...so is Wall Street. They are going to lose their tax incentives and tax breaks when Obama is elected. The declining middle class has been the one supporting this country with taxes, while the rich just keep getting richer while paying less taxes.

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By Czarina CarolforObama Jul 9th 2008 at 7:19 am EDT

If 5,000 supporters donated $20, we would make up for the 100k instantly.

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 8:44 am EDT

I'm now wound up enough to start a fundraising page. I'm not a US citizen but my sons have duel citizenship - UK US - I'll do it in their name. They'll be excited when I tell them about it.

We're gonna aim for 100K!

Now how do you set it up?

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 7:03 am EDT

Iran tested nine missles today. Thanks Bush and Cheney.

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 7:04 am EDT

missiles I meant

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By HoldMyHand Jul 9th 2008 at 7:05 am EDT

Scary.

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By Larry-NorthDakota; A Proud Obamacan!!!! Jul 9th 2008 at 7:09 am EDT

Watch McSame try to play the "fear card" today over this. Fear is all he believes in!!!

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 7:14 am EDT

I'd be more terrified if he was elected! Especially after his know comments.....

and what is with Matt Lauer....you can tell he doesn't like Obama....is he the "r" word or something? Or is he still upset that Obama didn't give him the scoop on Edwards endorsement?

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 7:15 am EDT

I'm sending an e-mail to Lauer. He is losing all his professionalism.

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By Laurie Jul 9th 2008 at 7:22 am EDT

There! I feel better already. Just emailed NBC.

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By HoldMyHand Jul 9th 2008 at 7:15 am EDT

I think Iran will bomb USA. and IF they do it will be the fault of McCain.

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By Tracy in CT Jul 9th 2008 at 7:43 am EDT

New slogan:

John McCain Fear you can believe in!

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 7:54 am EDT

Hey that's a great slogan. Can I use it as well?

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By Tracy in CT Jul 9th 2008 at 8:37 am EDT

Feel free!

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 8:08 am EDT

Joanie,

I sure hope you would not be saying that about me, that what I am doing is not coming from the heart.

It is clear you must be talking about others - I hope.

Carole

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 8:09 am EDT

Thank you everyone, for your feelings.

Let me clarify:

I've never claimed the glory. There isn't any. I'm not doing this for resume value. I've never expected anything. I have worked as hard as I can for the same reasons millions of other volunteers work - to elect Obama.

I understand that everyone wants to meet Barack. I've got a lot more urgent things to do in working to get him elected than go for glory.

People here are not even getting the chance to stand and wave flags and cheer for him. Given his importance and presumably, his schedule, we don't expect to have him meet with us privately or shake our hands.

We're being denied the simple opportunity to get to just see him at all.

If he did no appearances, it would be understandable. Of course I understand the campaign needs money. You've all seen that I'm doing every effort I can think of to help, and with the number of supporters.

So I understand the football analogy. I do think this is terribly unfair.

The calls I am getting are coming from people crying into the phone, ready to do anything, go anywhere, for just a glimpse of Obama.

So please do not think I am unaware of the realities here. It's just so very frustrating for working volunteers.

While I see from your comments that many in the US also have not been able to see him, there has been the opportunity, where he's campaigned, for many. We've only been able to imagine even having that opportunity here.

Thanks for your opinions on this!

Carole

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 8:33 am EDT

Carol I think you need to tell those 'crying into the phone' to lighten up.

Plus I can't find any information that confirms that there will not be an opportunity to wear your button and wave a flag. He's going to talk to Brown and Cameron. Presumably that means we'll find out where those meetings will take place. He has to pull up in a car...unless he's landing on a helicopter pad...

Same with the fundraisers.

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By Carole from England, forced to open a second account by the website elves - Pls write to Carole@www.Americans-Away-From-Home.com Jul 9th 2008 at 8:42 am EDT

Great Minds Think Alike!

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By RK Jul 9th 2008 at 11:17 am EDT

Barack Obama cannot be there for everyone who wants to meet him. He has been more accessible then most by having big events so everyone can come along.

Everyone one would be rewarded for all their hard work when Obama makes it to the White House. This is a bottom up movement not a top down approach. He wants everyone to be active in politics again this is about making this world a better and safer world for everyone to live in and by being activists you are saying no to the last eight years. The people who are out there helping him to get elected are the ones that are more important and Obama knows this. This is why he has said this party belongs to the people it is up to you to make the change and continue to be active and demand more of him.

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 7:16 am EDT

John McCain the brainchild of war, Barack Obama the Mindset of Change…

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 7:21 am EDT

John McCain has released his plan for the 100-year war. He’s going to drop cigarettes on Iran and smoke them out…

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 7:26 am EDT

Chuckle.

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By maria from europe Jul 9th 2008 at 7:54 am EDT

hehehhe

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By joe Jul 9th 2008 at 7:17 am EDT

I am no ultra liberal, I believe in the constitution as a fundamental document that sets this country apart from all others. The passage of the fisa bill will destroy the fourth amendment of the Constitution. If Obama votes for this bill I shall contribute no more money to this campaign and not vote in November as I see no difference between the candidates when it comes to protecting our rights. Obama may regret not taking public financing if he votes for this bill as I feel many of us may feel we have been duped by a silken tongue. Obama say it ain't so. What kind of contributions have the telecoms made to your campaign? More than those small donors you say are the backbone of your fund-raising and who will be the main losers if you vote for this bill? Congressional approval today fell to 9% and bills like this are the reason why. Obama please don't vote for this bill, show us that you really do care about the constitution so when you take the oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the United States we can actually believe you and have faith and trust in our leaders again. Yours, one potentially very disappointed Obama Voter*.

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By Debbie UK Jul 9th 2008 at 7:20 am EDT

Oky Doke.

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By HoldMyHand Jul 9th 2008 at 7:21 am EDT

Sad.

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By HoldMyHand Jul 9th 2008 at 7:23 am EDT

Iran is going to bomb us so FISA doesn't matter anyway.

McCain will be safe in a safehouse, that's why he's talking smack.

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By Strong Heart Jul 9th 2008 at 7:25 am EDT

A blowup is just a closeup of the big picture...

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By ♥ Not.This.Time.Not.This.Year. ♥ Joyce from Canada ♥ ♥ Jul 9th 2008 at 7:30 am EDT

This has been posted Yesterday by Lindy in Oregon:

"On Rachel Maddow's show today they were talking about the pros and the cons of Barack voting for the FISA bill.

POINT 1. His vote one way or the other is not going to change the outcome. It WILL pass unless the fillibuster works.

POINT 2. If he votes AGAINST it, McCain will do a major attack ad that says "BARACK OBAMA VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM TERRORISTS!!"

POINT 3. If he votes FOR it, he will anger a lot of his long time supporters, and yes, maybe even lose some votes (although why anyone would change to McCain over this is beyond reasonability since McCain will vote for it too)."

And this is from me:

I hope you are aware of what's at stake in this election.

If Barack doesn't get elected because of his "supporters" who don't support him anymore for one issue or the other no matter how important to them, then America doesn't deserve Barack as a leader, then America deserves a Dark Ages Bushist president until you all learn what sacrifice means and that nothing comes at once. Change comes gradually with hard work and perseverance.

Please use your good judgment and support the best choice for your country and the world.

I'm fortunate enough to live in Canada but I have family in Africa and the Middle East who suffer the decisions of your President and your government.
Family who lost everything because of the US occupation of Iraq. Family who went from riches to rags...They call it the American Nightmare.

Where are their constitutional rights?
What are you doing to pressure Bush to respect the will of the Iraqi government and submit a timetable for troops withdrawal?
What have you done to stop Bush from ruining your country?

Enough with the threats and the cowboy mentality. Hold your fire and roll up your sleeves if you're serious about changing things in your country.

Don't auto-sabotage this rare opportunity of electing a really decent president however imperfect!

Yes We Can & Yes Barack Will Prevail!

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By HoldMyHand Jul 9th 2008 at 7:35 am EDT

The U.S. House of Representatives approved the new surveillance law on 2008-06-20 by a 293 to 129 vote.
A Senate vote was delayed by a filibuster spearheaded by Senators Russ Feingold and Chris Dodd.[4] Feingold said the bill threatens civil liberties in the United States.[4] Senator Chris Dodd has said granting retroactive immunity would undermine the rule of law.

Barack Obama recently has turned around and started to support H.R. 6304. Obama started to support HR.6304 after getting Rahm Emmanuel's endorsment. According H.R.6304 the U.S. Attorney General will be the new final authority when it concerns FISA.

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By joe Jul 9th 2008 at 8:02 am EDT

I hear all your arguments and know them as they riochet inside my own head. But this also makes me wonder if he is willing to compromise on this what else is he willing to compromise. What issues are sacrosanct and unalterable and which are dependent on political expediency. Americans understand the the record of the Bush Administration on civil rights and McCain would have difficulty making an effective argument against an Obama no vote as Bush seems to have gained little traction in support of his bill except in the Senate.

To my Canadian Friend, I am an immigrant to this country from Ireland. I understand your argument for the rights of other countries and their citizens and I feel the Bush administration is repugnant in their attitudes towards international law and the rights of smaller nations. However America should not and hopefully never will elect a President to satisfy those you do not live under the jurisdiction of that presidents rule. Other countries need to get their act together and become responsible for their own citizens. The main problem in the Middle east is not foreign intervention but those countries inability to form governments that work for the greatest sphere of interests within those countries. Rather than focus on the internal distasters that make up these countries everyday existence these pathetic leaders focus the energy and frustration of their people on external forces that have little influence on those peoples situation. It's much easier to blame the infidel than it is to fix the problems that plague your country. I say America first, Mubarak and Malachy and all the others can go jump in a sand dune. We need improved roads, improved schools, energy conservation and our constitutional rights protected. that's just my take. Thanks for all you responses some of you may have even persuaded me to reconsider my position. Joe.

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 7:57 am EDT

The current FISA bill that Obama supports is not the same bill he rejected before. The current bill says that the President has to get warrants from the court in order to wire tap. I see nothing wrong with this. If the government can show evidence to the courts that someone should be tapped, so be it. We can't just turn a complete blind eye to terrorism. I can see if they were allowed to do what Bush has done, but this bill is completely different. Read up on the revised FISA bill. Obama has said he will be willing to work in a bipartisan matter. When he does do this, we can't castrate him because he won't always take a hard left position.

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By Larry-NorthDakota; A Proud Obamacan!!!! Jul 9th 2008 at 7:59 am EDT

Joe not registered to vote, no friends and only 60 points...I have to say you never really supported him in the first place.

Go ahead and vote McSame and prepapre your children for war if he wins!!!!

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By Indy from Muskegon, MI Jul 9th 2008 at 8:12 am EDT

Joe has every right to question any policy that Obama supports or not. It is up to us to help inform with our point of views. This is america and we can vote for someone because we like the ties he wears. Joe is just a concerned citizen and rightfully so. Just give em' the BO facts and I'm sure he'll come around. No since in possibly alienating BO votes.

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