(In response to this)
I'm not confused...
Look, I've gone to church my entire life until about 5 years ago. I KNOW my bible, I KNOW my facts. This is precisely the flaw in your logic: you pick and choose what is to be interpreted literally and what isn't. Then you have the gall to say that another person's interpretations are incorrect? Get a clue and crack a book for once in your life
Also, don't sit there and condescendingly talk down to me as if you have some superior knowledge that the rest of the world does not. Your religion is just as mythic as any ancient polytheistic belief or monotheistic one after them. Just because I base my beliefs on SCIENCE and EVIDENCE doesn't place me under you.
Do you kill in the name of God? Must not be a real Christian:
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20 Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10 Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16 Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7 Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13 Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20 Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11 Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5
Do you socialize with anyone who's not a Christian? You must not be a real Christian:
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10 Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17 Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8
You're spouting irrellevant, out-dated crap from a story-book that was written by man...not God
Since you obviously don't have the stones to listen to an opinion other than your own. Here...Proof that God is NOT Pro-Life:
Abortion: Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”? Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child. Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus. Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers. 2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong? Infanticide: 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”. The murdering of children: Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.” Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it. Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” 2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.” Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped. Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action? Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god. 2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death. Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” 1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God’s commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one. I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife. Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death. Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other. Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children. Child abuse: Genesis 22:9 & 10 “And they came to the place which God had told him of and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.” It matters not that god let Abraham get out of murdering Isaac. To put a knife up to your son’s throat is child abuse. I Kings 3:24-25 “And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other." This test was of course given to see who the real mother of the child was. Christians view this king as a wise man. I look upon his suggestion with far more revulsion then I give accredit to Susan Smith. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children. Matthew 19:29 If you really loved Jesus then he insists that you abandon your wife and children for him. Only that way will he allow you to go to heaven. (That is if you meet his other hefty requirements, don’t slip through the loopholes, and ignore the contradictions.) Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. In conclusion I shall end this list with a verse that should keep the pro lifers in check. It is Romans 13: 1-7 “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which god has established. The authorities that exist have been established by god. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what god has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he shall commend you. For he is god’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is god’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. There fore it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are god’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes, if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.” Clearly it is the job of Christians to obey the laws, and the laws of this country clearly state that abortion is legal. So too should Christians respect and honor that law. God commands them to NOT disobey, which entails attempting to get the law overturned. If god wanted abortion to be illegal he wouldn’t have appointed authorities to make it legal.
Abortion:
Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?
Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?
Infanticide:
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
The murdering of children:
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”
2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.”
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”
Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.
Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action?
Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god.
2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death.
Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”
1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God’s commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one.
I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.
Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.
Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.
Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.
Child abuse:
Genesis 22:9 & 10 “And they came to the place which God had told him of and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.” It matters not that god let Abraham get out of murdering Isaac. To put a knife up to your son’s throat is child abuse.
I Kings 3:24-25 “And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other." This test was of course given to see who the real mother of the child was. Christians view this king as a wise man. I look upon his suggestion with far more revulsion then I give accredit to Susan Smith.
Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children.
Matthew 19:29 If you really loved Jesus then he insists that you abandon your wife and children for him. Only that way will he allow you to go to heaven. (That is if you meet his other hefty requirements, don’t slip through the loopholes, and ignore the contradictions.)
Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
In conclusion I shall end this list with a verse that should keep the pro lifers in check. It is Romans 13: 1-7
“Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which god has established. The authorities that exist have been established by god. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what god has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he shall commend you. For he is god’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is god’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. There fore it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are god’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes, if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
Clearly it is the job of Christians to obey the laws, and the laws of this country clearly state that abortion is legal. So too should Christians respect and honor that law. God commands them to NOT disobey, which entails attempting to get the law overturned. If god wanted abortion to be illegal he wouldn’t have appointed authorities to make it legal.
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Funny how all these supposed Christians have apparently NEVER read the Bible they claim to preach.
A lot has been made of the now (in)famous "Joe the Plumber" after both candidates practically fallated him on national television for 90 minutes. But, as Beauty School Dropout Republican VP nominee, Sarah Palin likes to chide, we need to ask ourselves, "Who is the REAL Joe Wurzelbacher?"
Well, after some digging, it seems that all that pandering was for naught, as a search of the Ohio SOS website (you'll have to search) reveals, Mr. Joe the Plumber is not even registered to vote in the upcoming election.
It also seems that Mr. Wurzelbacher and family aren't necessarily in as tight a situation as Senator McCain would have you believe. A quick search on any small business directory pulls up six companies with the family name (four of which trace back to Joe, himself) in the Greater Cincinnati area - the only place where any Joe/Joseph Wurzelbachers can be found in my state.
Another Company - JCC Investments, Inc. - is also accredited to this "poor, poor plumber" whose chance at the American Dream is supposedly being shattered by Senator Obama's policy. Oh...and don't forget Ervin's Remodeling biz.
This poor, poor family.
Finally, let's not let loose from our minds another intriguing point. The Daily Kos is indicating that our poor friend Joe may also be related to big-time Republican donor Robert Wurzelbacher of Keating 5 infamy. (Link)
Let's see...He's not poor or even middle-class by any stretch of the imagination, he has called Obama and the idea of a Progressive Tax "Socialist", has been on right-wing blogs for over a week now, and interviewed (pre-debate) on right-wing shows.
Can we say "planted"?
BraveNewPAC has started a petition demanding that John McCain stop using hatred, baiting and other such filth on the campaign trail.
This is my posted comment:
Senator McCain,From the first time I was introduced to you at the age of 15 through CSPAN and other media outlets, I had a tremendous amount of respect for your (former) positions and (former) heroism.That respect is lost now.Senator McCain, you were victimized during the 2000 campaign by vicious smears and lies. One would think that a former victim of such filth with any sense of dignity would do anything in their power to prevent another human being from enduring it in the future. "One" would be wrong.Your heroism, your once respectable stances on the issues, as well as your desire to serve our great nation, have now taken a back seat only to your political ambition. This saddens me.Beyond this, you have now resorted to baiting your audiences through suggestive and hateful rhetoric - even to the point where they are audibly making death threats to your opponent. Not only have you ignored and refused to repudiate these disgusting calls, you continue to stoke the fire along with your running mate (yet another reason I have lost my respect for you - but that's for another day).John - can I call you John? - please bring back your dignity and your honor by first repudiating these abhorrent and illegal threats and then by controlling your own campaign and refusing to stand for hateful and hate-inspiring speech on the stump.I trust you will make the right decision.
You can watch the new video called "McCain's Mob" and sign the petition by visiting BraveNewPAC's website
I'm somewhat at a loss.
How do you fight blatant ignorance? How do we convince the American public to actually do some digging for the truth instead of believing whatever crap the GOP regurgitates?
Since I was a small child, I've always been the type to research almost ANY claim I heard to find more sides to a story and facts. Apparently I'm the only one who does, because there are people who actually believe this stupid bullshit about Obama "palling around with terrorists", or that he's not a "real" American, etc etc etc....
There is direct proof to the contrary of all of these statements being thrown out there, and no one wants to pay attention to them.
I'm sure that some people have convinced themselves of these things because it allows them a "reason" to not vote for the black guy without feeling like a racist. "Oh, he's buddies with terrorists. That works!"
But for those who are just too damn lazy to look up the facts, how do I approach these things with them? I've tried providing links and sources, I've tried talking calmly, and it just doesn't get through their thick skulls.
I just signed up on McCain's site and I'm blogging there to see if I can get any converts. You guys should do the same!
However:
DO NOT be rude or condescending, as hard as it might be. Just go in, be informative and polite and defend Obama!
All you do is go to the site and sign up under the "McCainSpace". I used a mailinator address to catch the confirmation mail so they don't email me ;)
Find "SlidingHorn" and become my fan!!! :) see you guys there!
(I just sent this post from my blog to the Cleveland Plain Dealer this morning)
"Kill Him!"..."Terrorist!"
Some outright disgusting tirades have been shouted by McCain-Palin supporters in the past week, with no reaction from the candidates but a smirk.
No corrections.
No condemnations.
Make no mistake about it, John McCain and Sarah Palin heard these remarks. Both did nothing but smile and continue their hate-filled diatribes.
You know as well as I do that the Obama campaign would not stand for such outbursts against their opponent. If during one of Senator Obama's speaches, someone proclaimed John McCain a terrorist, a traitor, or suggested his demise, you can bet your bottom dollar that he would stop mid-sentence, set the person straight, and have them removed.
John McCain, however, truly wants you and the rest of the country to believe that Obama is a terrorist. He does not have the stones, however, to come out and say such a shameful thing. Instead, he and his beauty-pageant-failure of a VP pick will throw out small bits and phrases, mistruths and innuendos - hoping lesser-minded bigots will make a connection and spread it to the masses.
Their campaign thrives on the notion that you can never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
These fear-mongering campaign tactics are absolutely deplorable, and even more sickening is McCain's and Palin's refusal to discredit such filth.
Call me naive, but I had faith in McCain's promise that he would run a respectful, issues-only campaign. I had this faith because I remembered the man he was in 2000 when running against George W. Bush. I watched him fall victim to these same despicable tactics and knew - just knew - that he would never let someone go through the same things he did.
It is for these exact reasons that McCain has lost the respect of the American people. More importantly, he has lost respect for himself.
Folks, this is NO time to be complacent in this campaign. McCain and his "campaign" are seeing the tailspin in the polls, and they're desperate. Now, McCain is breaking his promise to run a "respectful campaign" in a last-ditch effort to assassinate the character of Senator Obama by any means necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rUTXfuz6S0
This is crunch time, ladies and gentlemen. This final few weeks is where the campaign will be won or lost. This is the time where we, as Americans, tell the rest of the world one of two things:
With some of the sleaziest campaign tactics in history coming from the other side, we have to remain vigilant. As despicable and incredible as the smears coming from McCain may be, they have worked quite well in the past, and believe it or not, there are people who fall for this crap.
This is why it is more important than ever to get out and get active in this campaign!
Go out and knock on doors. Start making calls to voters (especially in swing states like my home of Ohio!!). Talk to random people in line at the bank. Inform! Inform! INFORM! Let these people know the truth and let them know that the McCain campaign is counting on American ignorance in order to win this election!
We kicked some tail in getting folks registered for the primaries and the election, but registrations mean nothing without votes!!!!
What time is it? GAME TIME!!! (BTW, Go Browns!)
Ryan Hoover - The Trombone-Wielding JackassObama '08
Yes, there have been great advances in technology that allow disabled persons to dictate to email/word processing programs through voice technology.
Yes, it IS at least a little insulting to vets who have more serious injuries who are more than capable of using a computer or writing emails.
Yes, John McCain himself said he was computer illiterate.
However, I think it was a dumb move on the part of our campaign to have run the ad they did because it simply opens us up to the attack that we're "mocking wounded vets." We all know that isn't true, and we have plenty of ammo to defend the ad (see above), but please, if anyone working from the campaign is reading this:
Don't make us work so hard to defend a negative ad again
-Everyone's favorite smart-ass
Could this be any better?? Every time Sarah Palin opens her mouth, it's like we strike political gold.
This lady is living proof that ANY idiot can be a Republican candidate. Has anyone seen the Couric interview? I laughed so hard I almost peed.
It's obvious Palin has no business anywhere near a presidential campaign, let alone the White House. I used to worry about what would happen if people were somehow duped into voting for the McShame McCain/Palin ticket, but the more she speaks, the more I realize that no one in this country would be dumb enough to put her in the second most powerful position in the world.
Keep talking, Sarah. At this rate, we won't even have to campaign - we can just let her own incompetence bury their campaign!
What do you mean when you say I know nothing of marine biology?!? I live right on Lake Erie! I can literally see it from my balcony. Surely this close proximity and view makes me more than competent in knowing the ways of dolphins and manatees everywhere.
How DARE you question my knowledge of these fish? You chauvinist pig!
How would you like it if I tried to discredit your qualifications as an astronaut, even when you can see all those stars from your back yard??
I just came across this on the net and think EVERYONE needs to see this:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=09&year=2008&base_name=troopergate_no_time_for_sex_as
Apparently Sarah Palin is against fighting rapists in the state with the highest rateof forcible rapes in the country....some feminist
I'll admit that I've been pretty snarky to those who are demanding Hillary as Barack Obama's VP. Here are my thoughts on the situation without sarcasm (or as close as I can get):
There are several reasons why many of us do not want to have Senator Clinton on this ticket. I'm not going into much detail, because I don't want this to come across as a slam post against her. However, there were several things said by Hillary and her surrogates that were very detrimental to Obama's campaign and the party itself. If, just a few months ago, she alluded to the fact that this man was not ready to be president, how could you possibly expect him to want her as his second-in-command?
There are several "baggage" issues involved as well, and frankly, with the church Obama attended, we have plenty of that on our own already. :)
Add to this Bill's lack of disclosure of donations to his library fund (or if he does reveal them, the possibility of them coming from "less than helpful" sources), and the blind hatred many republicans feel toward the Clintons causing a huge wave of Right-Wing nutjobs voting just to vote against Clinton. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
Many of us also have a problem with her style, which clashes with the "hope" message this campaign embodies.
I have to say that the thing that I'm most bothered by is the fact that some of these supporters are demanding that Hillary be placed on the ticket as VP. I'm not saying it to rub salt in the wound, but Hillary lost. She is in no position to be makind demands at this point.
I have other reasons, but like I said, I don't want this to be a "Slam Hillary" post. I want it to be a calm explanation of why many of us would prefer that she is not on the same ticket.
I'm more than willing to see your responses. :)
(in response to post here)
Actually...the only change Hillary Clinton offers is a uterus. Without that, she is the same ole' lobbyist-owned, double-speaking, flimsy positioned politician that we see every day.
Same fear-mongering (a la 3AM).
Same lying (snipers & fuzzy math).
Same ole story.
Also, politics is not a game of brand loyalty. If the Kennedy's believed (like the majority of people who participated in this primary) that Obama would be the better candidate - not just for the General - for AMERICA, they have every right to throw their full-fledged support behind him. The Clinton's are not OWED their votes, nor anyone else's.
So let's recap:
(lies + pandering + fear-mongering + dividing voters among any lines possible + owned by lobbyists) - uterus = NO CHANGE
I'm sorry folks, but I'm not buying into this "Obama better do (insert campaign-killing idea here) or I'm voting for McCain" attempt at strong-arming us into whatever a small sliver of Clinton supporters want our campaign to do.
#1 - This is not Hillary's campaign anymore. If Hillary had won (which she did not), she could have a say in the VP pick. If Obama were trying to force his way onto the ticket, her supporters would find the argument laughable.
#2 - McCain has NOTHING to offer Clinton supporters. His position on the war, healthcare, the economy, and civil rights are almost polar opposites to what they've supported over the past year and a half. Not to mention, McCain would only be a detriment to her female supporters, as he has not supported equal pay initiatives, nor women in combat. Not to mention he wants American women to go back to the days of back-alley abortions when he has Roe v. Wade overturned.
There is absolutely no good reason for them to vote McCain. Unless some of these people really want every one of the causes that they have spent the last year and a half fighting for go completely out the window.
I know this. They know this. You would think, however, that they would have learned through this primary that our candidate is not so easily swayed by political strong-arming, nor are his supporters so gullible.
Gettin ready to go home from work, and I'll be watching Obama's speech from last night, as I had practice for my band and had to DVR the coverage.
Fired up!
With Barack "The Man" Obama effectively clinching the Democratic nomination, I think we can all take a moment to give our candidate and OURSELVES a pat on the back and hearty congratulations. But only a moment!
With as little to stand on as John McCain has against Barack Obama, this is still going to be a very difficult battle to win. The right has an ever-expanding sea of 527's and other attack machines who will very willingly lie and distort the truth in any way possible to somehow make McCain look like a better choice than Future President Obama.
We have alluded to the fact that some of Hillary's nastier tactics were remniscent of those from the Republican playbook. Well, my friends, we're now facing those Republicans and not just a Democrat posing as one. (I'll concede and let myself think that Hillary was doing this with the sole intention of toughening B-Rock up a bit.)
We are going to see and hear some nasty things over the next 5 months, and we need to be prepared and willing to fight against it!
YES WE CAN
I just wanted to take a moment to say how proud I am. I'm proud of our candidate, the campaign he has run, and I'm proud of every person who has donated, called, or in any way helped to progress this historic campaign.
Thank you all for all of your dedication and hard work!
That being said, there's a lot of work to do now. We now need to start calling independents, republicans and everyone else to make sure that this message of Hope is spread to everyone! Best of luck in the General, ladies & gentlemen.
....and JFKFan
